Re: CSUnidentified subject!
On 15 Aug 2008 at 12:21, Carrole Orme wrote about : Subject : CSUnidentified subject! Why do you think you aren't making strong CS??? Ode Hi Ode I think I am making CS but not very strong It is very clear absolutely no fragments I use to get some It use to taste a little more metal now nothing The beam is very faint and when I had checked after the 1st few months it was quite strong also about the blackining of the rod I said or meant some blackening it was not a lot but more then now I have never seen what anyone elses looks like I would say it was not heavy You would just see some on the rod I really don't know if it was one or both rods I never payed attention to that Thanks Carrole Hi Carrole, I could be that the first batch of water was not as pure as that used for the second batch. So the CS was made quicker and rougher than your second batch. OK, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2008 #480
Error. Upon further research, the equation doesn't..hold water. An EIS /CS generator does, however, make Ionized water as a byproduct and ionized water is sold by many names. A water ionizing machine can cost between $400 and $4,000 or be constructed for next to nothing. The ion is OH [-] aka, the anion produced along with every silver ion produced. Ode At 12:20 AM 8/17/2008 +, you wrote: Scuse me Ode? How does all of this pertain to Willard Water? MA -- Original message from Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net: -- [Negatively charged water is water that is rich in OH- anions..a byproduct of a proprietary process called electrolysis and every EIS [CS] generator makes it, aka Willard water, Ionized water ..is what gives EIS that bitter/metallic flavor. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat multiplier do you use and how accurate do
All this is why I bought an Electrical Conductivity meter instead of a TDS meter. Much more direct at reading, and I have found it matches my Faraday calculations when starting with pure water (zero conductance). TDS meters seem much more imprecise. Kathryn On Aug 16, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Steven Foss wrote: Hi Silver List, What multiplier do you use and how accurate do you think your measurements are??? I use 4 as the multiplier with TDS meters. Why? To date no major reputable commerical manufacturer produces a meter to specifically test for PPM levels for Colloidal Silver Suppensions. When I asked (Hannah), Not enough sales to justify manufacture, to small a market. A TDS meter is designed to measure Total Dissolved Solids in soltion for applications such as hydroponic gardening, testing tap water and Reverse Osmosis water, industrial uses for contaminants. The typical TDS meter measures from 0 ppm to 999 PPM and was not designed to measure small measurements with an accuracy of less than 50% under 100 of PPM TDS meters measure transconductance (opposite of resistance) in micro Siemens and then use circuitry to convert this measurement into a PPM number (called a Conversion Factor). The Conversion Factor circuitry translates roughly 1 micro Siemen into 1ppm at Part Per Million readings of 100 PPM or higher at 90% accuracy. At PPM levels lower than 100 PPM the Conversion Factor translates 1 micro Siemen as 0.5 PPM, 50% of what is measured. TDS meters were designed to measure dissolved solids conductivity and are calibrated with Sodium Chloride (the yellow solution sold with these meters) as a rough Guesstimate. Salt is used as an average approximation of the conductivity of the compounds and elements (and polutants) found in water. (Potassium Chloride is the world standard for calibration, but then TDS meters do not require scientific accuracy.) Soldium Chloride or table salt has twice the conductivity of Silver. Or Silver has 1/2 the conductivity of table Salt. So any measurement of Colloidal Silver will be half of that for dissolved solids. TDS meters round off their measurements downwards after conversion. 0 to 0.9 PPM will read as 000 PPM. Likewise, 1 to 1.9 PPM reads as 1 PPM, etc. Let's use some numbers. Let's say I have finished a batch of CS and send half of it to a lab that runs an Atomic Aborption Spectragraphy. The batch was made with Lab Tech distilled water (0 PPM). The test measurement is 10 ppm I reach for my trusty TDS meter. The meter measures 90 % of the transconductace (calibrated to Sodium Chloride which has twice transconductance of CS) so 4.5 only is measured and the conversion factor has a 50% error (under 100ppm readings) so 2.25, rounded down becomes 2 PPM. I have a batch of 30 PPM CS. 15 X 90%= 13.5 microS measured multiplied by 50% Conversion=6.75 rounded down to 6 ppm If I have a reading of 3 PPM X 4= 12 PPM (3 times 2 (for Conversion Factor) times 2 (Salt factor) equals 12 PPM) This doesn't account for Commerical Distilled water which measures from 0 to 2 ppm (0 to 4 ppm if taking into account the Conversion Factor from circuitry). The DW will measure as 0 ppm at levels as high as 1.9 ppm (actual). That is why I use the number 4 as a multiplier when using a TDS meter to measure CS batches. How accurate do I think these measures are with TDS meters? Not very accurate, but better than nothing, or shelling out $400 USD everytime I make CS to get an accurate reading. Regards, Steve Foss If you are using Sodium Chloride or Sodium bicarbonate as an electrolyte this muddies the water (and the measurement) further. Question for the group: What multiplier do you use and how accurate do you think your measurements are??? Just make sure the TDS meter probe is not contaminated when measuring, make sure there are no bubbles on the probe tips and do not try to measure moving water (keep TDS meter still in water). - Steve .. Hi Steve. How does one use a TDS meter? Thanks. Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.
On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Ode Coyote wrote: Farady doesn't account for where the silver is or what form it's in, so it's no better than a meter. Faraday's Law is the upper limit of how much silver will go into solution, whether it is silver oxide, silver ions, or what have you. The potential of ionization is the same. So, unless the set up has no current control and it is Mr Toad's Wild Ride, the Faraday calcs ought to be pretty good. Kathryn I'm happy with the meter and knowing what it does so i can fudge the numbers closer to reality. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS( Unidentified subject) Why not identify it. ppm meters.
Hi, Steve, They are all making ionic silver, referred to around as Electrically Isolated Silver, aka colloidal silver. And most would say, yes, it is good enough. Kathryn On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: I was wondering if you could even calibrate a TDS meter to accurately measure the colloidal silver ppm. Won't each CS generate some ionic silver that is unpredictable that will affect the measurements. I assume that a rough but fast estimate is the best you will ever do within a reasonable cost. And isn't tjat good enough? Esp when you just take a swig now and then? - Steve - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-l...@eski -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Could you please take me off e-mail list for now. I am quite busy with school and not able to keep up with e-mails. Thanks Kent - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:26 am Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #484 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com silver-digest Digest Volume 2008 : Issue 484 Today's Topics: RE: forgot kind of machine CSSilver [ Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net ]
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Kent, To unsubscribe, it is necessary to visit the website listed on the bottom of all the messages: Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org; It is important to be sure the body of the msg is empty. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Aug 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, k g wrote: Could you please take me off e-mail list for now. I am quite busy with school and not able to keep up with e-mails. Thanks Kent - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:26 am Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #484 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com silver-digest Digest Volume 2008 : Issue 484 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS
Smitty, MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite. When mixed with an acid such as vinegar, lemon or lime juice, or citric acid along with about 4oz. of water, it forms chlorine dioxide. It is this substance that has the most beneficial oxidative properties in the body. In small amounts it can destroy any pathogen or microbe and neutralize almost any toxin, chemical, or metal known to man. It is absorbed into cells because the body recognizes it as oxygen (although it is not) and then through oxidation destroys virus, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and or parasites both inside and outside the cells. Please research this substance, I think you will find that what is said of it is true. It is essentially non toxic in small doses but boosts the immune system by giving it a very powerful germ killer... even more powerful than the hydrogen peroxide produced by the mitochondria of our cells. Bob - Original Message - From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMMS Could you tell me what is MMS? If it will cure AIDS, I would like to know what it is and how do you obtain it. Thanks in advance. Willie Here's some info on MMS= http://MmsMiracle.com/about/ You can download an ebook by Jim Humble that will tell you all you want to know. http://miraclemineral.org/ Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS
Yes, I know. I was answering Willy's query about it when I directed him to Jim Humble's web site. Boy, don't this upset the medicos ? Have you tried it ? I've kicked a couple of on-coming colds with it. Also cured my son's sore throat with it. regards, Smitty Smitty, MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite. When mixed with an acid such as vinegar, lemon or lime juice, or citric acid along with about 4oz. of water, it forms chlorine dioxide. It is this substance that has the most beneficial oxidative properties in the body. In small amounts it can destroy any pathogen or microbe and neutralize almost any toxin, chemical, or metal known to man. It is absorbed into cells because the body recognizes it as oxygen (although it is not) and then through oxidation destroys virus, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and or parasites both inside and outside the cells. Please research this substance, I think you will find that what is said of it is true. It is essentially non toxic in small doses but boosts the immune system by giving it a very powerful germ killer... even more powerful than the hydrogen peroxide produced by the mitochondria of our cells. Bob - Original Message - From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMMS Could you tell me what is MMS? If it will cure AIDS, I would like to know what it is and how do you obtain it. Thanks in advance. Willie Here's some info on MMS= http://MmsMiracle.com/about/ You can download an ebook by Jim Humble that will tell you all you want to know. http://miraclemineral.org/ Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
