CSGrades of H202, ( Opinions or Facts )

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Neville,
 At 12:57 AM 9/25/2008, you wrote:

Looking for information regarding
h2o2. I have Hydrogen Peroxide 20 volume 6% w/v in a brown glass
bottle bought over the counter at a pharmacy. 
 And you do not know the grade?
You asked for, Consensus of opinion ! Does this
mean you do not want any facts, 
only opinions ? grin
First, you and everyone needs to know the meaning of Food
Grade.
Put your trust in the FDA ? That is an FDA term and means
virtually nothing.
Many grades exist. ( and many different percents )
Technical Grade
Reagent Grade
Reagent ASC
Ultratrace
Clean Room Grade
Electronic Grade
Stabilized
And maybe a few more.
The chemical company where I have an account lists about 20 different
products.

Although there is nothing
printed on the bottle regarding 'stabilisers' having been added, and
having an expiry date of 2010 printed on the lable, I am wondering if
this product is suitable, in diluted form, to be used in conjunction with
CS for ingestion purposes. 
 When ingesting H202, for whatever reason, you are usually talking
about drops, not ml, ounces, or larger volume.
If you find out how much stabilizer is used in 1 liter of H202,
then calculate how much is in
one drop, ... tell me about it.
How small will the decimal be? Across one page, likely.

I am aware that 'Food Grade'
is the catch phrase but wonder if those two words would, in fact, appear
on a bottle or if this product can be interpreted as 'Food Grade'.
 Yes, that is true. And it is an
FDA term, that indicates the FDA has tested every container,
or someone has. Nothing more, nothing less.
I consider the FDA a fraud in everything they do. Not for your
benefit or mine, but for the benefit of others.

I also have a 3% solution which is
in a plastic bottle but states that stabilisers have been added, (I am in
no way thinking of ingesting this product though, so don't fret there,
external use only), but as the 6% has nothing stated on it regarding
stabilisers I was wondering if this one would be considered 'Food
Grade'.
 No, it would not !
 You still believe and trust the FDA .
 You are better off to trust Dr. William Campbell Douglass.

He has written a few books and has been a strong supported of H202.

As a 'throw away' question, I have
asked several pharmacies if their product can be ingested and get
different answers from each one, although I would never consider
ingesting the 3% one anyway, at any time. 
 Who would trust them either ? I note you said Pharmacies,
not Pharmacists.
Most of the Pharmacists do not know the time of day.
I have asked several how much potassium is in a 10 MEQ tablet, and not
one knew
They did not even know the percent of potassium and the per cent of
chloride.

Just another instance of a
lack of credible information one can rely on. Perhaps someone could
tell me how they define 'Food Grade', ie; is 'Food Grade' actually stated
on the label?
 Depends on where you look, and who you trust.
 It works just fine to add 10 to 20 drops in some water and chug it
down.
Does not taste bad and goes down easy.
I can order a barrel for you, any grade you want, from my chosen chemical
company.
Like I say about everyone, not just you.
 you worry
too much grin
Now you have even more to worry about, and I did not plan it that
way.
Just one goofy old redneck, that knows the difference in
moonlighting
and moonshining.
One final point. When everyone worries and talks about water
distiller, have lost track
of the fact that the hill billies and rednecks where the inventors of
distillers. grin
( Big ones, little ones, middle sized ones, and how to build the fires
that make them work best. )

Wayne
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CSColloidal Gold Warning

[Philippa Gibson]

I too was taken for a ride by Karl.  I paid for one of his generators  
and had 7 months worth of promises and excuses before I became tired  
of his evasions and contacted my credit card company and was able to  
get my money back.  Every time I contacted him to say that it hadn't  
arrived as promised he emailed back with one excuse after another, and  
more promises of delivery.  Sorry to hear that this is a consistent  
feature of his business operations and that he has taken others in as  
well.


Philippa

Thats an interesting site but unfortunately Karl is a crook. I paid a  
lot of money for one of his machines a few years ago but I'm still  
waiting. I'm not the only one. There has been complaints about him on  
other groups too.  Do not send him any money!



David

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2008 #563

[David O'Neil]

Hello Bob

I'm in Australia, so any legal resolution to this is unlikely. My  
only satisfaction is exposing this shonk.


David









From: bob Larson bobl...@cablespeed.com
Date: 24 September 2008 10:50:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSColloidal gold (Warning)


i've noticed others with the same problem.
legal action is appropriate and needed.  cooperation with other  
victims
would probably be needed to get any significant response from  
authorities.
someone recently posted a link to a website set up to flag this  
operation...

maybe it includes a way to get other victims together?


-Original Message-
From: David O'Neil [mailto:da...@alchemysa.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSColloidal gold (Warning)







Thats an interesting site but unfortunately Karl is a crook. I paid a
lot of money for one of his machines a few years ago but I'm still
waiting. I'm not the only one. There has been complaints about him on
other groups too.  Do not send him any money!


David







From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
Date: 24 September 2008 8:01:15 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSColloidal gold


Start here:
http://www.colloidalgoldmachines-central.com/Research/Ovo.htm

Chuck




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CSColloidal gold (Warning)

[David O'Neil]

Hello Bob

I'm in Australia, so any legal resolution to this is unlikely. My  
only satisfaction is exposing this shonk.


David






From: bob Larson bobl...@cablespeed.com
Date: 24 September 2008 10:50:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSColloidal gold (Warning)


i've noticed others with the same problem.
legal action is appropriate and needed.  cooperation with other  
victims
would probably be needed to get any significant response from  
authorities.
someone recently posted a link to a website set up to flag this  
operation...

maybe it includes a way to get other victims together?



-Original Message-
From: David O'Neil [mailto:da...@alchemysa.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSColloidal gold (Warning)









Thats an interesting site but unfortunately Karl is a crook. I paid a
lot of money for one of his machines a few years ago but I'm still
waiting. I'm not the only one. There has been complaints about him on
other groups too.  Do not send him any money!


David








From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
Date: 24 September 2008 8:01:15 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSColloidal gold


Start here:
http://www.colloidalgoldmachines-central.com/Research/Ovo.htm

Chuck




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Re: CSGrades of H202, ( Opinions or Facts )

[Neville]

  - Original Message - 
  From: Wayne Fugitt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:34 PM
  Subject: CSGrades of H202, ( Opinions or Facts )

  A very good morning to you Wayne,

  Still love that sense of humour!  considerable snippety now


[And you do not know the grade?  You asked for,  Consensus of opinion !  
Does this mean you do not want any facts, only opinions ?  grin]

  Yeah, well it's like this Wayne, everything that appears on the net seems to 
be 'opinion' cos everywhere one looks one gets a different answer so I sort of 
given up finding 'facts' and just go by opinion..then I make my own 
opinion based on a 'concensus' of opinion. g.Little bit of common 
sense also I should add.

  [First, you and everyone needs to know the meaning of  Food Grade.]   Can't 
answer this one!



  [Put your trust in the FDA ?   That is an FDA term and means virtually 
nothing.]

  Trust no-one!  I would rather die by my own hand than by some 'academic' or 
incompetent beaurocratic self serving liar!

  [Many grades exist.  ( and many different percents )]   Yep, I know there are 
many 'grades'.

   [When ingesting H202, for whatever reason, you are usually talking about 
drops, not ml, ounces, or larger volume.]

  Yep, I know that also.

  [If you find out how much stabilizer is used in 1 liter of  H202, then 
calculate how much is in
  one drop, ... tell me about it.  How small will the decimal be?  
Across one page, likely.]

  Not going to bother going there.  But figure it so small as to be relatively 
inconsequential in the scheme of things of which we are referring, (6% that is).

  [I am aware that 'Food Grade' is the catch phrase but wonder if those two 
words would, in fact, appear on a bottle or if this product can be interpreted 
as 'Food Grade'.
  Yes, that is true.  And it is an FDA term, that indicates the FDA has tested 
every container,
  or someone has.  Nothing more, nothing less.]

  OK, that's starting to sound better now.

  [I also have a 3% solution which is in a plastic bottle but states that 
stabilisers have been added, (I am in no way thinking of ingesting this product 
though, so don't fret there, external use only), but as the 6% has nothing 
stated on it regarding stabilisers I was wondering if this one would be 
considered 'Food Grade'.  No, it would not !]

  OH, why not then?  I thought you were inferring in your previous sentence 
that, basically, some nurd just says 'Food Grade' just to add their own paid 
two bobs worth and was pretty much meaningless.

  [You still believe and trust the FDA .]   Nup, trust no-one!

  [You are better off to trust Dr. William Campbell Douglass. 
  He has written a few books and has been a strong supported of H202.]   More 
'searching'!

  [Depends on where you look, and who you trust.]

   AH, HA...Now that's why I am asking here, seeking guidance from suitable 
'academics' and 'scholars'. g

  [One final point.  When everyone worries and talks about water distiller, 
have lost track
  of the fact that the hill billies and rednecks where the inventors of 
distillers.  grin
  ( Big ones, little ones, middle sized ones, and how to build the fires that 
make them work best. )]

  THIS, had me on the floor. g

  Wayne

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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[G Murray]

6% is used for bleaching hair.  I am at an understanding it is not food 
grade and has stabilizers.


Neville wrote:
Looking for information regarding h2o2.  I have Hydrogen Peroxide 20 
volume 6% w/v in a brown glass bottle bought over the counter at a 
pharmacy.  Although there is nothing printed on the bottle regarding 
'stabilisers' having been added, and having an expiry date of 2010 
printed on the lable, I am wondering if this product is suitable, in 
diluted form, to be used in conjunction with CS for ingestion 
purposes.  I am aware that 'Food Grade' is the catch phrase but wonder 
if those two words would, in fact, appear on a bottle or if this 
product can be interpreted as 'Food Grade'.
 
I also have a 3% solution which is in a plastic bottle but states that 
stabilisers have been added, (I am in no way thinking of ingesting 
this product though, so don't fret there, external use only), but as 
the 6% has nothing stated on it regarding stabilisers I was wondering 
if this one would be considered 'Food Grade'.
 
As a 'throw away' question, I have asked several pharmacies if their 
product can be ingested and get different answers from each one, 
although I would never consider ingesting the 3% one anyway, at any 
time.  Just another instance of a lack of credible information one can 
rely on.  Perhaps someone could tell me how they define 'Food Grade', 
ie; is 'Food Grade' actually stated on the label?
 
Neville.
 
 



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CSpsoriasis

[ian_ontario]

I must post a success story about CS and psoriasis.  

A young lady in her mid 40's came to me  on our nursing unit with disfiguring 
psoriasis on her hands and elbows.  She had been struggling with this for many 
years.  Her only help was from  prescription 2% Hydrocortisone cream at $125 a 
tube and while it kept it in check the rough hands and disfiguring appearance 
remained. ( Prolonged use of HC cream has systemic effects on the body 
especially when applied over large areas) With the very first use of CS her 
hands began to tingle and her skin began to feel smoother.  She began using it 
3-4 times per day from a spray bottle.  2-3 weeks later she came to me with 
wide eyed smiles and she showed me her skin.  The only sign that remained was 
noticeably reddened skin in the areas affected but the roughness was gone and 
all the scales and dead skin gone too - skin that appeared to be well on the 
way to total healing.  It takes about 6 weeks for skin to replace itself from 
the inside out, so I expect to see further improvement in the coming weeks.  

A fellow who came to me many years ago had a 1/2 centimeter spot on his scalp 
that has itched for many years.  No prescription creams helped. He put some CS 
on a Q-tip and applied it.  The itch left immediately and NEVER CAME BACK.

Don't be afraid to offer someone who has this problem a free spray bottle of 
CS.  It is true that there is a strong emotional component to this problem and 
the fact that you let them know that you noticed it may cause an initial 
reaction from them.  BUT the benefit received will bring years of lasting 
comfort and gratitude.



Ian Roe

CSCS in SHampoo?

[B Magnatta]

Do you think that putting some CS into the shampoo bottle  along with the
shampoo would help psoriasis?

Sincerely, Barb M.
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CSPromising Study on Obesity

[Brooks Bradley]

  Recently, prompted by information encountered in Dr. Sharon Moalem's splendid book
 entitled "Survival of the Sickest"  (he covers everything from  the evolution of diabetes, to the bubonic plague), we prosecuted a limitedbut revealing, investigation relating to obesity in children.  Dr. Moalem's premise revolved around data originating from Duke University scientists.   What they had discovered was, to usseminal in naturean occurrence both fascinating and revealing-relating to the effects of the DIET and SUPPLEMENTATION, by the prospective mother both before and during the earliest stages of pregnancy.  To wit:  It was discovered that a group of mice, "specifically bred to carry a gene called AGOUTI, which gives them their characteristic pale coat and tendency toward obesity"reliably yielded off-spring
which were FAT AND YELLOW.  The Duke scientists separated a population of, female Agouti mice into two groups---one control and one MODIFIED (but only to the extent of the diet.  The Controls were fed a normal dietthey yielded the expected FAT YELLOW babies.  The other group received similar prenatal care...with one exception---they were given vitamin supplements (actually, a combination of compounds especially rich in B12, folic acid, betaine and choline).
The results were, in shortSTARTLING.  Somehow, the Agouti gene had been TURNED OFFthe fat yellow mice had produced the THIN BROWN MICE. The Agouti gene in the "thin brown mice" was just were it was supposed to bebut had, somehow been TURNED OFF. CHEMICALS HAD ATTACHED TO THE GENE AND SUPPRESSED ITS INSTRUCTIONS. This process is called methylation.  
Our experiments tended to CONFIRM the results obtained by the Duke University research team. These results have us VERY excited, because they promise to offer excellent support to a means of effecting conditions enabling direct MODIFICATION of unwanted genetic instructionsin certain conditions.  These studies are based upon a research field known as Epigenetics.
I will not bore you with further diatribe on this matter.  However, we feel that
this tends to confirm the POWERFUL influence of prenatal nutrition on the health parameters of newborns.and indications that such continues on into their later lives.
  I would be remiss if I did not encourage the more interested of list members, to obtain a copy of Dr. Moalem's book--I guarantee it to be one of the MOST interesting and
informative you will ever read.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley. 
p.s.  We have a great interest in the possible effects of "adult stem cell protocol" on currently-expressing cases of morbid obesity (together with many other serious insults, such as
coronary heart disease/damage).in adults of all ages.  Adult stem cell protocols do not have ANY of the objectionable moral arguments put forward against the use of fetal cell extraction.additionally, all stem cells are derived from the hostand therefore, do not present ANY form of rejection considerations.  Note: Adult stem cell protocols ARE NOT, presently, legal in the U.S..except in veterinary medicine (the horses and other large animals are benefiting in astounding ways from this new science.  FDA says HUMANS will have to wait until some future era in earth's history.  Meanwhile, if someone has a dear family member
(and about 40k to 50k dollars) there are excellent clinics in Thailand---and other countries---which are achieving powerful results (often---IN DAYS)..among persons diagnosed as terminally hopeless for addressing  cardio-vascular damage. I AM NOT putting forward recommendations of any type.for direct treatment.  My recommendations are for persons involved in Experimental Medical Research, only.


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Re: CSCS in SHampoo?

[Rowena]

CS yes, but what about your shampoo?  Are you familiar with the problems 
normal ingredients in commercial shampoos can pose?   Probably you are well 
researched, but I raise the question just in case.

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Re: CSPromising Study on Obesity - 25 Sept

[Sandee George]

Recently, prompted by information encountered in Dr. Sharon Moalem's
splendid book 
entitled Survival of the Sickest (he covers everything from the
evolution of diabetes, to the bubonic plague), we prosecuted a limited. .
. . . . . 

Wow Brooks this is certainly very interessting - thanks for this post
Regards
Sandee

Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
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CSCS oddities

[Dee]

Hi all, just a couple of little oddies I've just made.  One, I made a 
batch using a seed batch which remained perfectly clear as I still have 
some left (of the seed batch).  The batch turned yellow after a few 
days.  This was nothing to do with the plastic bottles as I hadn't 
transferred it yet and it was still in the brewing jar where I have 
*never* had a yellow batch. The second thing is I made a batch from 
scratch but after nine and a half hours, it still hadn't shut off.  I 
measured this and it reads eight which is what it reads usually after 
eight hours.  I presume this means around 16ppm.  Any idea why it should 
have taken so long and not shut off even though it had reached the 
'normal' ppm?  Thanks in advance.  dee



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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[Neville]

Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot barge 
pole.


- Original Message - 
From: G Murray healthl...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion


6% is used for bleaching hair.  I am at an understanding it is not food 
grade and has stabilizers.


Neville wrote:
Looking for information regarding h2o2.  I have Hydrogen Peroxide 20 
volume 6% w/v in a brown glass bottle bought over the counter at a 
pharmacy.  Although there is nothing printed on the bottle regarding 
'stabilisers' having been added, and having an expiry date of 2010 
printed on the lable, I am wondering if this product is suitable, in 
diluted form, to be used in conjunction with CS for ingestion purposes. 
I am aware that 'Food Grade' is the catch phrase but wonder if those two 
words would, in fact, appear on a bottle or if this product can be 
interpreted as 'Food Grade'.
 I also have a 3% solution which is in a plastic bottle but states that 
stabilisers have been added, (I am in no way thinking of ingesting this 
product though, so don't fret there, external use only), but as the 6% 
has nothing stated on it regarding stabilisers I was wondering if this 
one would be considered 'Food Grade'.
 As a 'throw away' question, I have asked several pharmacies if their 
product can be ingested and get different answers from each one, although 
I would never consider ingesting the 3% one anyway, at any time.  Just 
another instance of a lack of credible information one can rely on. 
Perhaps someone could tell me how they define 'Food Grade', ie; is 'Food 
Grade' actually stated on the label?

 Neville.




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RE: CSConcensus of opinion

[Norton, Steve]

Neville, 

You can find 3% H2O2 in stores without stabilizers but usually in
discount stores where there is a high turnover of the Hydrogen Peroxide
so the stabilizers are not necessary. I have heard that Wal Mart carries
one without stabilizers. Dollar Tree carries Assured brand without
stabilizers and I have used that myself. Here is a test for stabilizers
but I have not used it:


There is a simple way to see if Hydrogen Peroxide contains stabilizers:
Pour 1/2 cap of hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water. If the color has
yellow (or other off colors), it has a stabilizer. It is best to set it
out in the sun where it is easier to see. If the H202 remains colorless
when mixed in a glass of water, it usually does not have a stabilizer. 

Almost all H2O2 sold in drug stores will have stabilizers, actually to
discourage people to use them internally. So you can use this as a way
to compare them. Basically, H2O2 poured into a clean glass and left out
in a sun covered by a dish should not have air bubbles. If it does,
there are metal contaminants. If you are asking for trouble, a drop of
ammonia solution in H2O2 mixed in water will cause a rapid air bubble
generation. It is more unstable if it has stabilizers. You can try the
experiment and compare the results. 

The test for this is not perfect one, but the key is the color, even
when you add just a small amount of water in direct sunlight. Also, a
good quality H2O2 doesn't get small bubbles during storage.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion

Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot
barge pole.


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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[Neville]

Thank You very much for that Steve.

Unfortunately I am located in Australia and consequently don't have a 
Wal-Mart here, well not where I am anyway.


Have to say that you have been the only person who has given me anything to 
go on.  I will have a go at that 'test'.


Sounds like I won't need to ask any more as your idea appears to clear the 
quality thing up fairly well.


As I stated earlier, the 3% has written on the label that it contains 
stabilisers but the 6% says nothing about stabilisers being added so it is 
the 6% one that I am looking at.


Have a good day Steve.  I'm off to have a go at that test.

Cheers...Neville.

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: CSConcensus of opinion


Neville,

You can find 3% H2O2 in stores without stabilizers but usually in
discount stores where there is a high turnover of the Hydrogen Peroxide
so the stabilizers are not necessary. I have heard that Wal Mart carries
one without stabilizers. Dollar Tree carries Assured brand without
stabilizers and I have used that myself. Here is a test for stabilizers
but I have not used it:


There is a simple way to see if Hydrogen Peroxide contains stabilizers:
Pour 1/2 cap of hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water. If the color has
yellow (or other off colors), it has a stabilizer. It is best to set it
out in the sun where it is easier to see. If the H202 remains colorless
when mixed in a glass of water, it usually does not have a stabilizer.

Almost all H2O2 sold in drug stores will have stabilizers, actually to
discourage people to use them internally. So you can use this as a way
to compare them. Basically, H2O2 poured into a clean glass and left out
in a sun covered by a dish should not have air bubbles. If it does,
there are metal contaminants. If you are asking for trouble, a drop of
ammonia solution in H2O2 mixed in water will cause a rapid air bubble
generation. It is more unstable if it has stabilizers. You can try the
experiment and compare the results.

The test for this is not perfect one, but the key is the color, even
when you add just a small amount of water in direct sunlight. Also, a
good quality H2O2 doesn't get small bubbles during storage.

- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion

Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot
barge pole.


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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Neville,

Reagent grade should refer only to the purity, rather than 
concentration. In other words, even though it's not pure inasmuch as 
there's a lot of water, the levels of contaminants *other than* water 
would be very low.

Look in a chemical supply catalog and you'll see a bunch of different 
grades for things, each of which is uniquely specified for each type of 
material, depending on how hard it is to make it pure and what kind of 
process it's to be used for.

It would be un-economical, but you could probably get 3% reagent grade, 
for instance. But given the expense, most users would buy more 
concentrated versions and dilute it themselves.

Without looking at a chemical supply catalog, I would bet that 
something like 35% reagent grade would be one of the more popular 
offerings... concentrated enough to be worth the expense of processing, 
packaging and shipping for the customer, yet not concentrated enough to 
be unstable or suffer a shortened shelf life.

I hope that'll clear things up a little! grin

Be well,

Mike D.



 [Also consider REAGENT grade.]
 
 This would be fairly high percentage you are talking about here though
 wouldn't it?  My research suggests there is your 'plain' HP, (3% or 6%
 as sold OTC), 'up to and including 35% Food Grade' HP, (which I can't
 get pharmacists to co-operate with in my enquiries), and then it goes
 into the higher percentages over 35%, eg; 70%, 90% etc, which comes into
 the 'Reagent' terminology as it starts to get somewhat 'unstable' above
 35%...

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[James McCourt, Ph.D.]

Also consider REAGENT grade.

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: CSConcensus of opinion


Neville, 

You can find 3% H2O2 in stores without stabilizers but usually in
discount stores where there is a high turnover of the Hydrogen Peroxide
so the stabilizers are not necessary. I have heard that Wal Mart carries
one without stabilizers. Dollar Tree carries Assured brand without
stabilizers and I have used that myself. Here is a test for stabilizers
but I have not used it:


There is a simple way to see if Hydrogen Peroxide contains stabilizers:
Pour 1/2 cap of hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water. If the color has
yellow (or other off colors), it has a stabilizer. It is best to set it
out in the sun where it is easier to see. If the H202 remains colorless
when mixed in a glass of water, it usually does not have a stabilizer. 

Almost all H2O2 sold in drug stores will have stabilizers, actually to
discourage people to use them internally. So you can use this as a way
to compare them. Basically, H2O2 poured into a clean glass and left out
in a sun covered by a dish should not have air bubbles. If it does,
there are metal contaminants. If you are asking for trouble, a drop of
ammonia solution in H2O2 mixed in water will cause a rapid air bubble
generation. It is more unstable if it has stabilizers. You can try the
experiment and compare the results. 

The test for this is not perfect one, but the key is the color, even
when you add just a small amount of water in direct sunlight. Also, a
good quality H2O2 doesn't get small bubbles during storage.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion

Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot
barge pole.


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CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

[Brooks Bradley]

  If list members have, already, received this I do humbly apologize.  However, I sent this posting about 1:00 pm today and have failed to see it appear on the list.  While I do not suffer ego self-indulgences it is with some effort that I compose postings these days.  If anyone received my earlier posting...or this one, a one-liner confirming such would be appreciated.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley 


-[ Received Mail Content ]--
 Subject : [FW]Promising Study on Obesity
 Date : Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT)
 From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com
 To : bradlebro...@gmail.com


-[ Received Mail Content ]--
 Subject : Promising Study on Obesity
 Date : Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT)
 From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com

  Recently, prompted by information encountered in Dr. Sharon Moalem's splendid book
 entitled "Survival of the Sickest"  (he covers everything from  the evolution of diabetes, to the bubonic plague), we prosecuted a limitedbut revealing, investigation relating to obesity in children.  Dr. Moalem's premise revolved around data originating from Duke University scientists.   What they had discovered was, to usseminal in naturean occurrence both fascinating and revealing-relating to the effects of the DIET and SUPPLEMENTATION, by the prospective mother both before and during the earliest stages of pregnancy.  To wit:  It was discovered that a group of mice, "specifically bred to carry a gene called AGOUTI, which gives them their characteristic pale coat and tendency toward obesity"reliably yielded off-spring
which were FAT AND YELLOW.  The Duke scientists separated a population of, female Agouti mice into two groups---one control and one MODIFIED (but only to the extent of the diet.  The Controls were fed a normal dietthey yielded the expected FAT YELLOW babies.  The other group received similar prenatal care...with one exception---they were given vitamin supplements (actually, a combination of compounds especially rich in B12, folic acid, betaine and choline).
The results were, in shortSTARTLING.  Somehow, the Agouti gene had been TURNED OFFthe fat yellow mice had produced the THIN BROWN MICE. The Agouti gene in the "thin brown mice" was just were it was supposed to bebut had, somehow been TURNED OFF. CHEMICALS HAD ATTACHED TO THE GENE AND SUPPRESSED ITS INSTRUCTIONS. This process is called methylation.  
Our experiments tended to CONFIRM the results obtained by the Duke University research team. These results have us VERY excited, because they promise to offer excellent support to a means of effecting conditions enabling direct MODIFICATION of unwanted genetic instructionsin certain conditions.  These studies are based upon a research field known as Epigenetics.
I will not bore you with further diatribe on this matter.  However, we feel that
this tends to confirm the POWERFUL influence of prenatal nutrition on the health parameters of newborns.and indications that such continues on into their later lives.
  I would be remiss if I did not encourage the more interested of list members, to obtain a copy of Dr. Moalem's book--I guarantee it to be one of the MOST interesting and
informative you will ever read.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley. 
p.s.  We have a great interest in the possible effects of "adult stem cell protocol" on currently-expressing cases of morbid obesity (together with many other serious insults, such as
coronary heart disease/damage).in adults of all ages.  Adult stem cell protocols do not have ANY of the objectionable moral arguments put forward against the use of fetal cell extraction.additionally, all stem cells are derived from the hostand therefore, do not present ANY form of rejection considerations.  Note: Adult stem cell protocols ARE NOT, presently, legal in the U.S..except in veterinary medicine (the horses and other large animals are benefiting in astounding ways from this new science.  FDA says HUMANS will have to wait until some future era in earth's history.  Meanwhile, if someone has a dear family member
(and about 40k to 50k dollars) there are excellent clinics in Thailand---and other countries---which are achieving powerful results (often---IN DAYS)..among persons diagnosed as terminally hopeless for addressing  cardio-vascular damage. I AM NOT putting forward recommendations of any type.for direct treatment.  My recommendations are for persons involved in Experimental Medical Research, only.


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Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

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HI...
I received them both... and thank you for all the information that you share 
with us.
 
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Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

[Smitty]

I received it and found our local library
has the book. I'll check it out.

Smitty


On 9/25/08, Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com wrote:
  If list members have, already, received this I do humbly apologize.
 However, I sent this posting about 1:00 pm today and have failed to see it
 appear on the list. While I do not suffer ego self-indulgences it is with
 some effort that I compose postings these days. If anyone received my
 earlier posting...or this one, a one-liner confirming such would be
 appreciated.
  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley







 -[ Received Mail Content ]--

  Subject : [FW]Promising Study on Obesity

  Date : Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT)

  From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com

  To : bradlebro...@gmail.com










 -[ Received Mail Content ]--


  Subject : Promising Study on Obesity


  Date : Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT)


  From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com


  To : silver-list@eskimo.com





  Recently, prompted by information encountered in Dr. Sharon Moalem's
 splendid book


  entitled Survival of the Sickest (he covers everything from the evolution
 of diabetes, to the bubonic plague), we prosecuted a limitedbut
 revealing, investigation relating to obesity in children. Dr. Moalem's
 premise revolved around data originating from Duke University scientists.
 What they had discovered was, to usseminal in naturean occurrence
 both fascinating and revealing-relating to the effects of the DIET and
 SUPPLEMENTATION, by the prospective mother both before and during the
 earliest stages of pregnancy. To wit: It was discovered that a group of
 mice, specifically bred to carry a gene called AGOUTI, which gives them
 their characteristic pale coat and tendency toward obesityreliably
 yielded off-spring


 which were FAT AND YELLOW. The Duke scientists separated a population of,
 female Agouti mice into two groups---one control and one MODIFIED (but only
 to the extent of the diet. The Controls were fed a normal dietthey
 yielded the expected FAT YELLOW babies. The other group received similar
 prenatal care...with one exception---they were given vitamin supplements
 (actually, a combination of compounds especially rich in B12, folic acid,
 betaine and choline).


 The results were, in shortSTARTLING. Somehow, the Agouti gene had been
 TURNED OFFthe fat yellow mice had produced the THIN BROWN MICE. The
 Agouti gene in the thin brown mice was just were it was supposed to
 bebut had, somehow been TURNED OFF. CHEMICALS HAD ATTACHED TO THE
 GENE AND SUPPRESSED ITS INSTRUCTIONS. This process is called methylation.


  Our experiments tended to CONFIRM the results obtained by the Duke
 University research team. These results have us VERY excited, because they
 promise to offer excellent support to a means of effecting conditions
 enabling direct MODIFICATION of unwanted genetic instructionsin certain
 conditions. These studies are based upon a research field known as
 Epigenetics.


  I will not bore you with further diatribe on this matter. However, we feel
 that


 this tends to confirm the POWERFUL influence of prenatal nutrition on the
 health parameters of newborns.and indications that such continues on
 into their later lives.


  I would be remiss if I did not encourage the more interested of list
 members, to obtain a copy of Dr. Moalem's book--I guarantee it to be one
 of the MOST interesting and


 informative you will ever read.


  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.


 p.s. We have a great interest in the possible effects of adult stem cell
 protocol on currently-expressing cases of morbid obesity (together with
 many other serious insults, such as


 coronary heart disease/damage).in adults of all ages. Adult stem cell
 protocols do not have ANY of the objectionable moral arguments put forward
 against the use of fetal cell extraction.additionally, all stem cells
 are derived from the hostand therefore, do not present ANY form of
 rejection considerations. Note: Adult stem cell protocols ARE NOT,
 presently, legal in the U.S..except in veterinary medicine (the horses
 and other large animals are benefiting in astounding ways from this new
 science. FDA says HUMANS will have to wait until some future era in earth's
 history. Meanwhile, if someone has a dear family member


 (and about 40k to 50k dollars) there are excellent clinics in Thailand---and
 other countries---which are achieving powerful results (often---IN
 DAYS)..among persons diagnosed as terminally hopeless for addressing
 cardio-vascular damage. I AM NOT putting forward recommendations of any
 type.for direct treatment. My recommendations are for persons involved
 in Experimental Medical Research, only. -- The Silver List is a moderated
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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[Neville]

- Original Message - 
From: James McCourt, Ph.D. dr...@earthlink.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion


[Also consider REAGENT grade.]

This would be fairly high percentage you are talking about here though 
wouldn't it?  My research suggests there is your 'plain' HP, (3% or 6% as 
sold OTC), 'up to and including 35% Food Grade' HP, (which I can't get 
pharmacists to co-operate with in my enquiries), and then it goes into the 
higher percentages over 35%, eg; 70%, 90% etc, which comes into the 
'Reagent' terminology as it starts to get somewhat 'unstable' above 35%, (if 
one doesn't know what one is doing that is)...would I be correct in saying 
anything above 35% would fall into the 'Reagent' catagory...Yes?


Perhaps the above descriptions could be a simple dialect thing regarding 
'definition' or 'terminology' and not a standard form of global definition 
with regard to Hydrogen Peroxide.


Thanks...Neville. 



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Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

[Norton, Steve]

I did't receive the first posting although I did receive someone's comment on 
it! Strange. 
Thanks
  Steve N

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From: craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu Sep 25 19:10:25 2008
Subject: Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

HI...

I received them both... and thank you for all the information that you share 
with us.

 

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Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

[Dave]

It came through to my box at 10.04 A.M PST.
Thank you Brooks
Dave

Brooks Bradley wrote:
If list members have, already, received this I do humbly apologize. 
However, I sent this posting about 1:00 pm today and have failed to 
see it appear on the list. While I do not suffer ego self-indulgences 
it is with some effort that I compose postings these days. If anyone 
received my earlier posting...or this one, a one-liner confirming such 
would be appreciated.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley







-[ Received Mail Content ]--

*Subject : *[FW]Promising Study on Obesity

*Date : *Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT)

*From : *Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com

*To : *bradlebro...@gmail.com










-[ Received Mail Content ]--


*Subject : *Promising Study on Obesity


*Date : *Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT)


*From : *Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com


*To : *silver-list@eskimo.com





Recently, prompted by information encountered in Dr. Sharon
Moalem's splendid book


entitled Survival of the Sickest (he covers everything from
the evolution of diabetes, to the bubonic plague), we
prosecuted a limitedbut revealing, investigation relating
to obesity in children. Dr. Moalem's premise revolved around
data originating from Duke University scientists. What they
had discovered was, to usseminal in naturean
occurrence both fascinating and revealing-relating to the
effects of the DIET and SUPPLEMENTATION, by the prospective
mother both before and during the earliest stages of
pregnancy. To wit: It was discovered that a group of mice,
specifically bred to carry a gene called AGOUTI, which gives
them their characteristic pale coat and tendency toward
obesityreliably yielded off-spring


which were FAT AND YELLOW. The Duke scientists separated a
population of, female Agouti mice into two groups---one
control and one MODIFIED (but only to the extent of the diet.
The Controls were fed a normal dietthey yielded the
expected FAT YELLOW babies. The other group received similar
prenatal care...with one exception---they were given vitamin
supplements (actually, a combination of compounds especially
rich in B12, folic acid, betaine and choline).


The results were, in shortSTARTLING. Somehow, the Agouti
gene had been TURNED OFFthe fat yellow mice had produced
the THIN BROWN MICE. The Agouti gene in the thin brown mice
was just were it was supposed to bebut had, somehow been
TURNED OFF. CHEMICALS HAD ATTACHED TO THE GENE AND
SUPPRESSED ITS INSTRUCTIONS. This process is called methylation.


Our experiments tended to CONFIRM the results obtained by the
Duke University research team. These results have us VERY
excited, because they promise to offer excellent support to a
means of effecting conditions enabling direct MODIFICATION of
unwanted genetic instructionsin certain conditions. These
studies are based upon a research field known as Epigenetics.


I will not bore you with further diatribe on this matter.
However, we feel that


this tends to confirm the POWERFUL influence of prenatal
nutrition on the health parameters of newborns.and
indications that such continues on into their later lives.


I would be remiss if I did not encourage the more interested
of list members, to obtain a copy of Dr. Moalem's book--I
guarantee it to be one of the MOST interesting and


informative you will ever read.


Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.


p.s. We have a great interest in the possible effects of
adult stem cell protocol on currently-expressing cases of
morbid obesity (together with many other serious insults, such as


coronary heart disease/damage).in adults of all ages.
Adult stem cell protocols do not have ANY of the objectionable
moral arguments put forward against the use of fetal cell
extraction.additionally, all stem cells are derived from
the hostand therefore, do not present ANY form of
rejection considerations. Note: Adult stem cell protocols ARE
NOT, presently, legal in the U.S..except in veterinary
medicine (the horses and other large animals are benefiting in
astounding ways from this new science. FDA says HUMANS will
have to wait until some future era in earth's history.
Meanwhile, if someone has a dear family member


(and about 40k to 50k dollars) there are excellent clinics in
Thailand---and other countries---which are achieving powerful
results (often---IN 

Re: CSCS in SHampoo?

[B Magnatta]

Hi, Yes, I know the stuff isnt to good but I don't know of a better brand
that I could afford, or how to make my own. I would love to make my own.

Thanks for asking.

Sincerely, Barb M. 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Rowena
Date: 9/25/2008 15:37:06
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS in SHampoo?
 
 
CS yes, but what about your shampoo?  Are you familiar with the problems 
normal ingredients in commercial shampoos can pose?   Probably you are well
researched, but I raise the question just in case.
 
R
 faint_grain.jpg

Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[cking001]

Heck, I've brushed my teeth with 12%.
Just a little warm, is all...

Chuck
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.


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 Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I
 wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot barge
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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[Neville]

It's OK Chuck, they couldn't answer any of my questions regarding their 12 % 
that's all. They wouldn't even bring the bottle out so I could read the 
label. g


N.

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion


Heck, I've brushed my teeth with 12%.
Just a little warm, is all...

Chuck
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.


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Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I
wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot barge
pole.







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Re: CSConcensus of opinion

[Neville]

Oh, OK Mike, that gives me some more to go on.  I will do some more 
'searching' and see what I can turn up.


This is the thing, if one is not familiar with correct or appropriate 
'terms' then it makes it a little more difficult to find answers to ones 
questions.


I'm doing that 'test' Steve mentioned at the moment but it appears that 
there is not a heck of a lot of difference, (after 3-4 hours), between the 
3% and the 6% I have.  I have since added another cap full to see if there 
is anything more noticable happening, to the naked eye.  I'm going to get 
back to Steve with my observations.


I'm going to lead with my chin again here and suggest that the miniscule 
amount of HP used with CS would be so minimal regarding any stabilisers that 
these stabilisers would be inconsequential to health anywayyes?


Thanks for that, appreciated.

N.
- Original Message - 
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion



Dear Neville,

Reagent grade should refer only to the purity, rather than
concentration. In other words, even though it's not pure inasmuch as
there's a lot of water, the levels of contaminants *other than* water
would be very low.

Look in a chemical supply catalog and you'll see a bunch of different
grades for things, each of which is uniquely specified for each type of
material, depending on how hard it is to make it pure and what kind of
process it's to be used for.

It would be un-economical, but you could probably get 3% reagent grade,
for instance. But given the expense, most users would buy more
concentrated versions and dilute it themselves.

Without looking at a chemical supply catalog, I would bet that
something like 35% reagent grade would be one of the more popular
offerings... concentrated enough to be worth the expense of processing,
packaging and shipping for the customer, yet not concentrated enough to
be unstable or suffer a shortened shelf life.

I hope that'll clear things up a little! grin

Be well,

Mike D.




[Also consider REAGENT grade.]

This would be fairly high percentage you are talking about here though
wouldn't it?  My research suggests there is your 'plain' HP, (3% or 6%
as sold OTC), 'up to and including 35% Food Grade' HP, (which I can't
get pharmacists to co-operate with in my enquiries), and then it goes
into the higher percentages over 35%, eg; 70%, 90% etc, which comes into
the 'Reagent' terminology as it starts to get somewhat 'unstable' above
35%...


[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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