RE: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #651

[Norton, Steve]

Melly,

I wasn't on the computer over the weekend and I trying to catch up. Regarding 
the use of Tamarind, the study used only 10 gm of Tamarind once daily and 
showed a 37% increase in fluoride excretion. This is a small amount of 
Tamarind. I would guess that to be around 2 teaspoons of Tamarind. It appears 
that they just ate the fruit but I am not sure about the seeds.   

It does indeed seem that moringa oleifera seeds also helps remove fluoride. See 
the study abstracts below.

- Steve N


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11840184?dopt=Abstract
Effect of tamarind ingestion on fluoride excretion in humans.

" OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of tamarind (Tamarindus indicus) ingestion 
on excretion of fluoride in school children. DESIGN: Randomized, diet-control 
study. SUBJECT: Twenty healthy boys were included and 18 of them completed the 
study. INTERVENTIONS: Each subject consumed 10 g tamarind daily with lunch for 
18 days at the social welfare boys' hostel. The nutrient composition of the 
daily diet was constant throughout the experimental period. RESULTS: Tamarind 
intake led to significant increase (P<0.001) in the excretion of fluoride in 24 
h urine (4.8+/-0.22 mg/day) as compared to excretion on control diet 
(3.5+/-0.22 mg/day). However, excretion of magnesium and zinc decreased 
significantly (7.11+/-1.48 mg of Mg and 252.88+/-12.84 microg of Zn per day on 
tamarind diet as compared to 23.39+/-3.68 mg of Mg and 331.78+/-35.31 microg Zn 
per day on control diet). Excretion of calcium and phosphorous were not 
significantly different while creatinine excretion decreased with tamarind 
intake (225.66+/-81 mg creatinine/day with tamarind and 294.5+/-78.76 mg 
creatinine/day without tamarind). CONCLUSION: Tamarind intake is likely to help 
in delaying progression of fluorosis by enhancing urinary excretion of 
fluoride."



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20099463
Tamarindus indica L. and Moringa oleifera M. extract administration ameliorates 
fluoride toxicity in rabbits.

" Aqueous extracts of T. indica fruit pulp (100 mg/kg body weight) and M. 
oleifera seeds (50 mg/kg body wight) orally once daily for 90 days lowered 
plasma fluoride concentrations in rabbits receiving fluorinated drinking water 
(200 mg NaF/ Liter water). Cortical indices and metaphysial width in animals 
receiving extracts also revealed beneficial effects of plant extracts. Changes 
in plasma biochemistry suggested less hepatic and renal damages in animals 
receiving plant extracts along with fluorinated water in comparison to that 
receiving fluorinated water alone. Preliminary results revealed these plant 
extracts have some potential to mitigate fluoride toxicity."


From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #651

Steve,
 
Thanks.  Do you know where i can find instructions on how to use the tamarind 
pulp? Do i make a juice out of it? I wonder if the moringa oleifera seeds  
would remove it as well, it being used in Africa and elsewhere to clean water.
 
Thanks.
 
melly


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RE:CS>Zeolite - Does it Really Work?

[Norton, Steve]

Peter,

As you mentioned, zeolite is difficult to find real data on. I went thru that 
several years age and found enough for me to make a personal opinion but I have 
not tried to look for updated info because of the effort involved. Here is some 
of what I found back then. 

Regarding liquid zeolite formulas. The original MLM version has a patent that 
you can find online. There are other versions employing either humic or fulvic 
acid. Some comments on what I found regarding liquid zeolite:
 
1.  An "activation" process is used in the patent and by at least one of 
the humic acid alternatives. Basically the activation process is to heat the 
zeolite in an acid at high temperatures. The purpose of the acid/heat treatment 
of the zeolite is to flush out all the heavy metals that natural zeolite is 
reported to have already trapped within its honeycomb structure. This is then 
reported to eliminate heavy metals that could be transported into the body and 
also to increase the available adsorption capacity of the treated zeolite by up 
to 20 times that of the untreated zeolite.  If you do a Google search on "acid 
treated zeolite" you will find a good number of technical papers that provide 
real data on the effects the acid/heat treatment has on the zeolite. Report 
after report stated that the acid/heat treatment of the zeolite reduces the 
cation exchange capacity of the zeolite and increased the desorb 
characteristics of the zeolite. The cation exchange capacity of the zeolite is 
the quantity of positively charged ions (cations) that the zeolite can 
accommodate on its negatively charged surface. One of the key features of 
zeolite is its negatively charged surface that draws positively charged toxins 
to it and bonds the toxins to the zeolite providing for the removal of the 
toxins with the zeolite when the zeolite passes from the body. 
Desorption is a phenomenon whereby a substance is released from or through a 
surface. The process is the opposite of sorption (that is, adsorption and 
absorption). The more a chemical desorbs, the less likely it will adsorb and 
adsorption is one of the characteristics that allow heavy metals and toxins to 
bond to the zeolite for removal from the body. After adsorption, the adsorbed 
chemical will remain bonded to the zeolite nearly indefinitely, provided the 
temperature remains low. 
This means that the "activation" process actually significantly degrades the 
desired characteristics of zeolite. Claim that activated zeolite increases the 
capacity of the zeolite by up to 20 times that of the untreated zeolite. The 
natural zeolite I have seen has normally a no more than a 10% reduction in 
capacity due to absorbed minerals and metals. I see no no way to get a 20 times 
increase.

2.  Some claim that zeolite is absorbed into the bloodstream where it kills 
cancer or tumors. Some liquid Zeolite suppliers claim that the zeolite combines 
with humic acid and is carried into the bloodstream. Others make the claim that 
testing shows that 60% of orally taken liquid zeolite is passed out in the 
urine and 40% via the feces, thereby proving that zeolite must be absorbed into 
the bloodstream. One states that the zeolite has been screened with a #325 mesh 
screen vs. others with larger particle sizes and thus their zeolite is small 
enough to pass into the bloodstream but the others are not. 
*   A #325 mesh screen passes particles that are 44 microns or smaller. One 
micron = 10,000 angstroms, so 44 microns is equal to 440,000 angstroms. I do 
not believe claims that zeolite, liquid or otherwise, passes into the blood 
stream. The particles are just too large. Particles that do pass into the 
bloodstream would not have much if any usable portion of the zeolite 
three-dimensional honeycomb structure.

3.  The claim that zeolite fights cancer and tumors. There is testimonial 
and anecdotal evidence that zeolite does affect cancer and tumors in the body. 
If zeolite does affect cancers and tumors, the method by which it does so is 
not yet understood. (Assuming that zeolite does not enter the bloodstream) Some 
believe that the zeolite triggers the immune system and therefore boosts the 
body's natural responses. Others speculate that by removing toxins, it frees up 
the body's resources to fight cancer, etc. 
There are a number of studies out of Croatia that support zeolite as being 
effective against cancer and tumors but they are considered questionable. 
 
 
Most of the useable information on the nutritional use of zeolite are animal 
studies. Many of them are somewhat subjective but you can draw your own 
conclusions. There are numerous studies of the effects of zeolite on farm 
animals where zeolite has been added to animal feed for some time and supports 
zeolite as providing a general and significant improvement in animal health. I 
think a good overview of this is provided in patent # WO 2005032268 20061102.
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=

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RE: EXTERNAL:Re: RE:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

[Norton, Steve]

I read that once the zeolite or clay becomes saturated it no longer
carries a charge and that it falls away and is passed out.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:19 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: RE:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as
well as a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

Steve,
If it coats the lining of the colon, what is used to removed it from the

lining so that it doesn't become permanent?
Thanks.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: RE:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as a
paper 
bentonite clay versus Zeolite


Just one clarification. One of the referenced links in the clayfacts
article discusses the safety of zeolite but the argument put forth is
based on the false premise that liquid zeolite contains liquefied
zeolite and is absorbed into the bloodstream. Zeolite is not liquefied
else it would no longer be zeolite. Liquid zeolite has zeolite particles
in suspension, similar to ionic silver. Same as clay, zeolite does not
pass into the blood stream but coats the lining of the colon and acts as
a filter by pulling heavy metals and other toxins back across the
intestinal lining and binding them.

 - Steve N


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Subject: EXTERNAL:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as
a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/

http://www.eytonsearth.org/

http://www.clayfacts.com/articles/zeolite%20vs%20bentonite.htm



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Re: RE:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

[needling around]

Steve,
If it coats the lining of the colon, what is used to removed it from the 
lining so that it doesn't become permanent?

Thanks.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: RE:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as a paper 
bentonite clay versus Zeolite



Just one clarification. One of the referenced links in the clayfacts
article discusses the safety of zeolite but the argument put forth is
based on the false premise that liquid zeolite contains liquefied
zeolite and is absorbed into the bloodstream. Zeolite is not liquefied
else it would no longer be zeolite. Liquid zeolite has zeolite particles
in suspension, similar to ionic silver. Same as clay, zeolite does not
pass into the blood stream but coats the lining of the colon and acts as
a filter by pulling heavy metals and other toxins back across the
intestinal lining and binding them.

- Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@internode.on.net]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as
a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/

http://www.eytonsearth.org/

http://www.clayfacts.com/articles/zeolite%20vs%20bentonite.htm



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Re: CS>Zeolite (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Renee]

www.zeostore.com 

Samala,
Renee  
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
What was that source for $15 a pound.
 
 

RE:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

[Norton, Steve]

Just one clarification. One of the referenced links in the clayfacts
article discusses the safety of zeolite but the argument put forth is
based on the false premise that liquid zeolite contains liquefied
zeolite and is absorbed into the bloodstream. Zeolite is not liquefied
else it would no longer be zeolite. Liquid zeolite has zeolite particles
in suspension, similar to ionic silver. Same as clay, zeolite does not
pass into the blood stream but coats the lining of the colon and acts as
a filter by pulling heavy metals and other toxins back across the
intestinal lining and binding them. 

 - Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@internode.on.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as
a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/

http://www.eytonsearth.org/

http://www.clayfacts.com/articles/zeolite%20vs%20bentonite.htm



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CS>Zeolite (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

What was that source for $15 a pound.


Bob
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #653

[Ode Coyote]

  Not as well as copper and possibly zinc, but yes...with some diligence.
 Chlorox does it a lot faster.

ode


At 05:17 PM 7/25/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Does CS kill mold and mold spores?
Thanks.
Melly

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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #653
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 12:46 PM



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Re: CS>Lost details of an oil beginning with "A"

[needling around]

Is it natural or synthetic?  Do you buy it in a grocery store like Apricot 
Kernel Oil or in an auto parts store or hardware store?

PT


- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:01 AM
Subject: CS>Lost details of an oil beginning with "A"


All I can remember is that it was expensive - anyone have a recollection 
of what it was?


THanks!

Jane


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Re: CS>Zeolite - Does it Really Work? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I've got it Robert, but my Mac has given you a certificate--whatever that 
means--and you now come through as normal.  dee

On 26 Jul 2010, at 13:10, Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC wrote:

> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> 
> Zeolite
> Would this help to take excess silver out
> Of the body. Some send me a message that this is getting out
> I cannot tell from my end. I get all the list messages,
> Some go to my junk file, but I do not get the ones I send.
> So I am never sure if they got out. I tried something new I
> Put the whole address down instead of my short cut.
> 
> Bob
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> 


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Re: FW: CS>Zeolite - Does it Really Work? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Renee]

I don't know.  Clay is said to take out heavy metal, so I'm assuming zeolite
will too.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
Zeolite
Would this help to take excess silver out
Of the body. 

CS>Interesting forum on clays Jason Eaton, as well as a paper bentonite clay versus Zeolite

[Hanneke]

http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/

http://www.eytonsearth.org/

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FW: CS>Zeolite - Does it Really Work? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Zeolite
Would this help to take excess silver out
Of the body. Some send me a message that this is getting out
I cannot tell from my end. I get all the list messages,
Some go to my junk file, but I do not get the ones I send.
So I am never sure if they got out. I tried something new I
Put the whole address down instead of my short cut.

Bob
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




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Re: CS>Lost details of an oil beginning with "A"

[Jane MacRoss]

THanks! Found it - Argan oil!

Jane 


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~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~


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CS>Lost details of an oil beginning with "A"

[Jane MacRoss]

All I can remember is that it was expensive - anyone have a recollection of 
what it was?


THanks!

Jane


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #653

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don't think so but H202 *definitely* does!  dee

On 26 Jul 2010, at 01:17, Melly Bag wrote:

> Does CS kill mold and mold spores?
> Thanks.
> Melly
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/25/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>  wrote:
> 


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