Re: CS>Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19 and are on ventilators

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OFF TOPIC for those who need to avoid such!

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/07/09/my-investigation-of-the-so-called-covid-deaths/


On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:50 AM sandra george  wrote:

> Thank you for this detailed report on the facts much appreciated
> especially with all the mis information which is out there!!
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> Love & Hugs
> Sandee
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> On Jul 8, 2020, at 4:30 AM, bbane...@earthlink.net wrote:
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> This article is very misleading.   The test that is given for COVID-19  is
> a PCR test that measures for fragments of the RNA virus.  It does not
> measure antibodies.  That is a completely different type of test used to
> see if you've been exposed to the virus but it isn't the test to see if you
> carry the virus.  PCR tests are given by swabbing the nose or mouth,
> antibody tests are conducted by a blood draw.  Neither test shows if you
> have a live viral infection.   In fact no one has been able to culture a
> live virus from a person who has been symptom free for more than 8 days.
> The rule of thumb is to wait 14 days without symptoms before going back
> out.  It is possible to still test positive using PCR as it only looks for
> viral fragments that you might still shed for weeks or even months
> afterwards.   It does NOT mean you are infected.  Hope this helps.
>
> Sent using myEarthLink
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> On Tue Jul 07 22:44:31 PDT 2020 Deborah Gerard wrote:
> Read this about the CDC admitting you test positive it just means you had
> the common cold...
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> https://www.intellihub.com/shocker-cdc-admits-covid-19-positive-result-just-means-youve-previously-had-the-common-cold/
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> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 12:11:04 PM EDT, Nenah
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> *Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators*
> *April 24, 2020, USA Today*
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> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals...
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> Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minn., a physician in Minnesota, was interviewed by "The
> Ingraham Angle " host Laura
> Ingraham on April 8 on Fox News and claimed hospitals get paid more if
> Medicare patients are listed as having COVID-19 and get three times as much
> money if they need a ventilator. On April 19, he doubled down on his
> assertion via video on his Facebook page. Jensen said, "Hospital
> administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge
> summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward,
> garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if
> they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment
> would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if
> that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to
> $39,000." He noted that some states ... specifically New York, list all
> presumed cases, which is allowed under guidelines from the Centers for
> Disease Control and Prevention as of mid-April and which will result in a
> larger payout. The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium
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> or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients. *We rate the claim that
> hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on
> ventilators as TRUE. Hospitals and doctors do get paid ... three times more
> if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and
> loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases*.
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Re: CS>Measuring PPM

[Ode Coyote]

 10% of WHAT?

Is that +/- 10% of the max read range or +/- 10% of 1 PPM? [See the
problem?]

+/- 10% of 100% is like 10 PPM and that's a big chunk of 15 PPM.
 "Specs" can be tricky. [They don't always say what you think they do]

*Silver Range* 0.000 to 1.000 mg/L (ppm)   [But 15 PPM is WAY OVER that
range and +/- 10% has to do with the instrument, not the reagent]


 The Hanna meter calibration fluid has a temperature deviation chart on it,
but the meter specs say the meter is 'temperature compensated'
..so, why the chart?

It took a MONTH going round and round with Hanna Tech for them to say it's
the temperature of the METER that is compensated for...not the calibration
sample. [After telling me I was too stupid to ask questions and saying I
didn't see what I was seeing]
..and if the meter is colder or warmer than the sample, that dog hunts all
over the place as it warms or cools the sample.
 Holding the sachet in your hand while calibrating the meter screws it ALL
up as the reading climbs and climbs before your eyes.

Finally figuring all that out [on my own, thank you], their sachel proved
their big bottle of "reagent" was off by exactly 50%[around $30 worth]
and they wouldn't replace it.

I learned the hard/long way to make sure both the meter and the sample are
at the *same *temperature...and STAY that way while using the meter. [THEN
refer to the temperature deviation chart]
How easy is it to just SAY that in the first place ?   DUH
[But NOOOso, maybe even Hanna Tech didn't know that?]

HM Digital meters have a thermometer built in.

A really BIG Thermometer is a TherPOPiter? [;-)]

ode

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:20 AM Marshall  wrote:

> The unit measures between 0 and 1 ppm. I have to dilute it to get it  in
> that range.  Specifications give an accuracy of 10%, so 60% to 90% error is
> way out of line.
>
> Marshall
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> On 7/8/2020 8:36 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
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> Titration is not NEARLY accurate enough to measure 15 PPM
>  Even an AA Spectrophotometer has great difficulty at low concentrations
> and 3 runs of the same sample averaged is the procedure
>
> ode
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> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:54 PM Marshall  wrote:
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>> I am helping my son in law with his colloidal silver production.  But I
>> am running into something I don't understand.  He has been using a hanna
>> pure water meter to measure the ionic ppm.  He has been applying a 1.1
>> correction factor, that is brewing for a 14 uS, to get 15 ppm.
>>
>> He just ordered and received a hanna silver ion colorimeter and we have
>> been testing with it.  When we dissolve the CS silver in nitric acid,
>> the readings are way off, near zero.  I am going to contact Hanna on
>> that, I am assuming that either the nitrate ion, or the pH is messing it
>> up.
>>
>> But testing some week old CS, I am getting about 6 ppm on the
>> colorimeter, but 12 uS (or about 13 ppm) on the conductivity meter.  I
>> don't know which one is wrong.  Anyone have experience with the
>> colorimeter?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Measuring PPM

[Ode Coyote]

I once got meter calibration fluid from Hanna that was off by 50%...they
refused to replace it or refund my money.
It took 'pulling teeth' to get them to even admit it was defective...as
compared to another sample from them using the same meter.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:26 AM Marshall  wrote:

> There is no titration.  This is the instrument:
> https://www.hannainst.com/hi96737-silver-portable-photometer.html
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> Marshall
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> On 7/8/2020 8:36 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
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> Titration is not NEARLY accurate enough to measure 15 PPM
>  Even an AA Spectrophotometer has great difficulty at low concentrations
> and 3 runs of the same sample averaged is the procedure
>
> ode
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:54 PM Marshall  wrote:
>
>> I am helping my son in law with his colloidal silver production.  But I
>> am running into something I don't understand.  He has been using a hanna
>> pure water meter to measure the ionic ppm.  He has been applying a 1.1
>> correction factor, that is brewing for a 14 uS, to get 15 ppm.
>>
>> He just ordered and received a hanna silver ion colorimeter and we have
>> been testing with it.  When we dissolve the CS silver in nitric acid,
>> the readings are way off, near zero.  I am going to contact Hanna on
>> that, I am assuming that either the nitrate ion, or the pH is messing it
>> up.
>>
>> But testing some week old CS, I am getting about 6 ppm on the
>> colorimeter, but 12 uS (or about 13 ppm) on the conductivity meter.  I
>> don't know which one is wrong.  Anyone have experience with the
>> colorimeter?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
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>> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
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>>   
>> Archives:
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>> Off-Topic discussions: 
>> List Owner: Mike Devour 
>>
>>
>>
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