Re: CSEICS colour?
No color, yellow, violet, red, green. I've made em all but green. Has little to do with PPM, that is, no direct connection to a specific PPM. Very strong is just 'more likely' Ode At 12:17 PM 9/17/2008 +0930, you wrote: Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion' regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1675 - Release Date: 9/16/2008 7:06 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Perhaps the Pure Water contains minerals itself which DW doesn't because *that* would cause the colour changes. dee Neville wrote: Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Morning Dee, At 06:58 AM 9/17/2008, you wrote: Perhaps the Pure Water contains minerals itself which DW doesn't because *that* would cause the colour changes. dee Some people just like the Rainbow, I guess. Can't think of any other reason to want colored CS. No doubt, some will try to make Pink Polka Dotted. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Neville wrote: Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. The color sequence is as follows: absorption color - visible color uv - infrared indigo - light yellow blue - yellow bluegreen - gold green - pinkish green-yellow - reddish brown green-yellow-orange - brown Actually starting with the yellow absorption, absorption becomes very broad, and it continues absorbing in the shorter wavelengths while also absorbing in the longer wavelengths. Thus when absorbing in the yellow, it is also still absorbing in the green, and as it gets larger the absorption curve broadens to the yellow, orange and red. The result is that once it gets to orange, it simply gets more and more murky, going to darker and darker shades of brown. I have posted a scan of page 170 from Analytical Biochemiistry # 262, 1998 by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. UYguerabide at http://silver-lightning.com/cs-color.jpg The top row a is gold spots of 78 nm and submerged in air, water and dimethyl sulfoxide. The next set b top part is silver sols (colloids) with particle sizes of 38, 47, 60, 75, 94, 118 and 144 nm. The bottom part of set b is the sols being illuminated by white light from the side, so that you are seeing the tyndall.color and are sizes of 38, 47, 94 and 144 nm. The bottom row is a photograph of epithelial buccal cells labeled with 78 nm diameter gold particles. Marshall I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A *_'concensus of opinion'_* regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Neville wrote: Hi there Malcolm a colour, (hence my question regarding colours again as I don't know where 'pink-ish' fits in the colour range) Pink is between gold and brown, and is a particle size of approximately.115 to 120 nm in diameter. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Ode Coyote wrote: No color, yellow, violet, red, green. I've made em all but green. You can't get green, because the absorption band broadens once you get to the red (pink) so it is still absorbing yellow (complement of red) when it goes to orange and yellow, producing brown. I have posted the absorption curves for silver sols at http://silver-lightning.com/cs-curves.jpg Marshall Has little to do with PPM, that is, no direct connection to a specific PPM. Very strong is just 'more likely' Ode At 12:17 PM 9/17/2008 +0930, you wrote: Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion' regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1675 - Release Date: 9/16/2008 7:06 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:20 AM Subject: Re: CSEICS colour? EXCELLENT!! Much appreciated Marshall, now we are getting somewhere. RE: Email 'bouncing'. Yeah, I know, I need to work on keeping my talking short. Still unfamiliar with these forum, or email things. Thanks for that information and pics though, now I know exactly what's what. I've searched and searched but lucked out all the time. Neville. [The color sequence is as follows: absorption color - visible color uv - infrared indigo - light yellow blue - yellow bluegreen - gold green - pinkish green-yellow - reddish brown green-yellow-orange - brown Marshall] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEICS colour?
Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion' regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville.
RE: CSEICS colour?
Neville, You probably won't like this answer, but here it is anyway. You should find a source of steam distilled water such that your finished product has no discernable color. Consider color as an indication that you are making something less than an optimum product. In your case, your Pure Water is probably a misnomer, and you may be making some silver compounds that cause your brew to be colored. Stick with genuine steam distilled water. Unless you know the specific types and quantities of contaminants in your water, there is no way to equate color with ppm. Steve Y. _ From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSEICS colour? Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion' regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1675 - Release Date: 9/16/2008 7:06 PM
Re: CSEICS colour?
Hi Neville, Color is not an indication of ppm or strength, it is an indication of the particle Size in your brew. Yellow is indicative of a particle size that absorbs the violet component of light (rather short wavelength, hence moderately small particle size.) NO color - water clear - is the best, and attention to the purity of the water and employing a current of less than 1 milliamp per square inch of the active silver electrode in your water is a common rule of thumb, though I find 100 microamps per, to work well for me. I also try to keep the electrodes clean which seems to make great difference for my brew, and reversing current between the electrodes every so often, perhaps every five or ten minutes when I don't get distracted g. Stirring, and using cool, 65 - 70 Fahrenheit water seem to help also. take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:17 +0930, Neville wrote: Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion' regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Hi there Malcolm I reckon I have been here long enough now to speek freely of my ideas and/or opinions and will accept some correction where required. The following are the conclusions I have come to over time and research...however, nothing is set in stone you understand, this is just my attempt at speaking freely, and my considered opinion. Colour:most researched articles state that clear is optimum, which signifies ions of silver are plentiful with particulate silver present but of far lesser percentage by ratio. These particles would still, however, be easily bi-available in my opinion. Using simple electro methods, as most do, it would be impossible to achieve a totally ionic silver solution anyway, there will always be a percentage of particles present in a clear solution. Size, and we will assume the current is 'ideal' here for the purpose of explantion:.this is a different story to me now as when the colour changes so the particulate silver content increases, (ions will also), which gives rise to the TE, hence my question relating to colour in my OP and ppm of these varying colours. My experience has been that although I can get clear 99% of the time there will be one time that I may get colour. The colour variations to me would dictate, not 'indicate' but dictate, either particle size or proliferation, or both, in fact to me it would have to be both because in some cases it may take 48 or 72 hours, maybe even longer perhaps for solution to stabilise. Example...if solution is clear or just a very, very pale yellow then particles are still small enough, (in my opinion), to be bio-available if TE is only slightly observable. Now if the colour is a deeper yellow then there are still particles of suitable size to be bio-available to me, but because some of the ions in solution have agglomerated to form more particles then some of the resultant larger particles would then not be bio-available due to there increase in size. There would still be plenty of ions and particles available, and in more profusion in the yellow CS, and still bio-available, but some of the particles would now be too large to be bio-available and would most probably be passed through the body. Stay with me here Malcolm. Having said the above, if the solution gets into a colour, (hence my question regarding colours again as I don't know where 'pink-ish' fits in the colour range), and let's say the colour now is...I don't know, grey or something like that, then this is where the particles are of large enough size to enter the skin tissue and agglomerate with the ions already present which gives rise to this turning 'blue' business, and what doesn't get caught in the skin tissue with the ions will be passed out via the normal bodily elimination processes. I am not in the slightest concerned with this 'blue' thing either by the way, as that is only for idiots who know nothing about CS anyway so don't think this is a concern of mine. I am only trying to explain the colour thing and where the colour will start to display undesirable outcomes, (again my OP regarding colour, so I know myself where the 'line' is which must not be crossed). If you like I can explain better by saying that resistors have 'colour' bands so I want to know the 'colour', or 'ppm' bands with CS. I am not that concerned even if the colour happens to go 'golden', anything else is of concern to me hence my OP about colours. I know CS as produced in the home is not a 'science' but it would be handy to know what the 'estimated' ppm is for any given colour, I''ll even accept a wild guess at the moment, the rest regarding particle size and potential 'side effects' etc, is common sense. I know what colour I DON'T want for my purpose and anything over a rich yellow I don't particularly desire, again, for my purpose. I've re-read this a dozen times Malcolm, and I can see sense to what it is I am trying to say, I just hope you can! g OH, and I use my magnetic stirrer at all times also, would not be without it now, in fact I have made three more for the family. Neville. - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: CSEICS colour? Hi Neville, Color is not an indication of ppm or strength, it is an indication of the particle Size in your brew. Yellow is indicative of a particle size that absorbs the violet component of light (rather short wavelength, hence moderately small particle size.) NO color - water clear - is the best, and attention to the purity of the water and employing a current of less than 1 milliamp per square inch of the active silver electrode in your water is a common rule of thumb, though I find 100 microamps per, to work well for me. I also try to keep the electrodes clean which seems to make great difference for my brew, and reversing current between the electrodes
