CSMRSA or Spider Bite?
Evening DL, I read your message again. Seems I missed the most important point the first time I read it. aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially like a spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv liked like the photo of your leg. So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite? This might be the most important question of all. If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any? How long would it take MRSA to make itself known? Surely it would make me feel bad. It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two. I have never felt bad from this spider bite. The day after the shock treatment, I did seem to feel a little better. It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement. I will study MRSA in more detail. The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the same people that have told us there is A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it really is and where it comes from. I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and political intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the spider bite treatment. When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct and gut feelings. All ideas, right wing and left wing appreciated. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?
Wayne: If you have been taking NSAIDS, ( non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs ) you may wish to cease. As David Barrow wisely suggested as one of the first posts in the original thread, I would acquire some quality green healing clay and hydrate it with CS. Various types of current or shock therapy, as Dr. Robert O Becker noted on many occasions, can destroy both damaged and healing tissue. This can possibly result in a worsening of the condition if an infection is present. Healthy tissue has a far greater tolerance to current than damaged and healing tissue. When the initial problem has been taken care of, tissue healing should begin rapidly. I see infection spread throughout the upper portion of leg, and in lower part of the image, slightly above the initial injury point. Onions and CS applied topically are not going to reach this infection. Shock therapy may result in spreading the infection. IF those slightly swollen, yellowish areas are indeed indicative of a subdermal infection, you're current at risk of an infection reaching the bloodstream ( becoming septic ). If this occurs, your health will degrade at an extremely rapid rate. If you've been taking ibuprophen, Aleve, or other NSAID, you need to stop. NSAID's have been linked with antibiotic resistant staph, commonly known as flesh eating, where soft tissues are quickly consumed by infection. I personally only know of two methods to clear such an infection: Surgery, and constantly applied thick healing clay poultices. Take my word for it: You don't want to let this continue. If you'd like to view how a wound should debride and heal, feel free to view our very graphic images documenting a cansema treatment, with CS healing clay utilized: http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-healing-clay-cancer.html To see how clay can potentially pull an infection to the surface: http://www.eytonsearth.org/usingclayexternally.html Look at the bottom of the above page of the foot. I wish you speedy healing! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: CSMRSA or Spider Bite? Evening DL, I read your message again. Seems I missed the most important point the first time I read it. aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially like a spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv liked like the photo of your leg. So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite? This might be the most important question of all. If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any? How long would it take MRSA to make itself known? Surely it would make me feel bad. It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two. I have never felt bad from this spider bite. The day after the shock treatment, I did seem to feel a little better. It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement. I will study MRSA in more detail. The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the same people that have told us there is A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it really is and where it comes from. I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and political intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the spider bite treatment. When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct and gut feelings. All ideas, right wing and left wing appreciated. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?
Evening Jason, Thanks for all the details and warnings. If you have been taking NSAIDS, ( non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs ) you may wish to cease. Virtually Never. Not in recent years anyway. I can't remember the last time I had a headache or took an aspirin. It was at least 5 or 6 years ago, maybe longer. As David Barrow wisely suggested as one of the first posts in the original thread, I would acquire some quality green healing clay and hydrate it with CS. I have done that and am doing it now. I have been leaving the clay on for 12 hours but not for 24 hours. Various types of current or shock therapy, as Dr. Robert O Becker noted on many occasions, can destroy both damaged and healing tissue. This can possibly result in a worsening of the condition if an infection is present. What do you see that suggests an infection? I have no pain nor any swelling. I can use three fingers and press around the bite area. There was a hardness underneath before the shock. Now I do not feel any hardness. The draining is zero except at the very top of the wound. And very little draining there. For several days there was good drainage, which I felt was idea. I have watched for streaks up the leg and have not seen any. Healthy tissue has a far greater tolerance to current than damaged and healing tissue. Ok I can understand that. AT this point, I can't tell what is damaged and what is not. I see infection spread throughout the upper portion of leg, and in lower part of the image, slightly above the initial injury point. I see the upper part as that remaining point of slight drainage. Remember lots of the redness in the pictures was caused by using the heating pad 10 to 12 days ago. The burned skin has peeled off already and is back to near normal. Onions and CS applied topically are not going to reach this infection. Shock therapy may result in spreading the infection. IF those slightly swollen, yellowish areas are indeed indicative of a subdermal infection, you're current at risk of an infection reaching the bloodstream ( becoming septic ). There was some yellow looking area around the edges. It appeared to be dead skin. That is gone now, and nice pink skin is right up to the dark scab area, except at the very top. If this occurs, your health will degrade at an extremely rapid rate. I understand what you are saying for sure. But there must be degrees of infection. I did not consider the original battle of this to be an infection, certainly not an excessive or high level infection. I have not felt bad a single hour from this bite. There was three days when the swelling was great. On one of those days, I had a slight fever, .7 deg and it was gone the next day. Is it possible to have a dangerous infection without any symptoms at all? If you've been taking ibuprophen, Aleve, or other NSAID, you need to stop. NSAID's have been linked with antibiotic resistant staph, commonly known as flesh eating, where soft tissues are quickly consumed by infection. Yes, I know that. I studied this about a year ago. It did not concern me that much, because I was not that kind of statistic. I may be on my way to becoming a different kind of statistic, but it won't be from taking any medications or pain pills. I filled out a form a few weeks ago that asked what medications are you allergic to My answer was, How would I know, I don't take any. I personally only know of two methods to clear such an infection: Surgery, and constantly applied thick healing clay poultices. Take my word for it: You don't want to let this continue. I will do that. Still, is there not some way to tell if this infection exists? Do you think visual inspection is reliable? Surely some test would clear my mind. If you'd like to view how a wound should debride and heal, feel free to view our very graphic images documenting a cansema treatment, with CS healing clay utilized: OK will check all the links. Unfortunately the photographer is on strike. Not sure if I can get a picture myself. Maybe tomorrow. Thanks again for the suggestions. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?
Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening DL, I read your message again. Seems I missed the most important point the first time I read it. aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially like a spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv liked like the photo of your leg. So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite? This might be the most important question of all. I don't know how to tell the difference. But I have been bitten by spiders and you can feel it. I had a car with a moon roof and opened it one night and a spider dropped down and bit me on the neck. When I got home and got out of the car the spider ran down my arm and I brushed it off. I think I've been lucky with the small spider bites I got because they looked like brown recluse spiders and nothing bad happened. This mrsa stuff on that website I gave doesn't have photos or the same info that the tv story had. Staph infections of a certain sort can eat flesh. Some people have lost not only limbs but also their lives when it went untreated or diagnosed soon enough. I think when people have been ill for some time and their immune system is compromised in some way that they can be more susceptible to these bacteria than otherwise. I also am not sure if shock treatment would help but it might. If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any? How long would it take MRSA to make itself known? Surely it would make me feel bad. It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two. I have never felt bad from this spider bite. The day after the shock treatment, I did seem to feel a little better. It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement. I will study MRSA in more detail. The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the same people that have told us there is A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it really is and where it comes from. I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and political intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the spider bite treatment. When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct and gut feelings. All ideas, right wing and left wing appreciated. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?
Hi Wayne, I don't know if a visual inspection is good enough or not. Pretty sure a simple swab test will tell you though. See your doc. Elle From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com snip Still, is there not some way to tell if this infection exists? Do you think visual inspection is reliable? Surely some test would clear my mind. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
