Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
Ode, Simply washing/spraying the products with CS would solve the bacterial contamination problem. Food irradiation and it's resultant radiolytic byproducts, not to mention destruction of nutritional value AND huge expense is certainly not what you are suggesting is the answer to this problem, is it? Bob - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack At 03:28 PM 6/17/2008 -0700, you wrote: You don't understand. They are building the case for food irradiation, pure and simple. ## Understand that it's the *answered* cry for protection vs the losses of recalls that is building the case for irradiation as a means of self defense. It's either that, or the *industry* goes bust and the entire market goes alternative, costing more, triggering DIFFERENT demands that can't be met. Diametrically opposing demands met, require the third alternative. If cheap food is demanded along with absolute safety, that safety will be accomplished Come Hell or High Water by any means possible ..or else, NEITHER can be accomplished.and any *lessor evils* vs *no food at any price* as the result of a dead industry regulated out of business, swept under the carpet. IOW the consumer is screwing himself with untenable absolutes. The auto industry has been hampered the same way. Greater safety means more mass and volume. More mass and volume means less mileage. Simple physics. In 1994 they could make a car that got 48-55 MPG and meet the safety mandates of that day In 1996 that same car made safer to meet new mandates could only do 36-43 MPG and do that, less well. [no pep ] Mandates made such a pig out of a practical vehicle that no one would buy it...end of story. And now, 28-36 MPG is being called good when 60 MPG is what's needed, but made impossible by people who don't feel a need to watch where they're driving, yet wish to be safe. Those who can't own the truth will have to buy a lie, or, there's nothing to sell OR own. Ode - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack I'm not sure what the total ended up being? I'm old enough to remember when salmonella was pretty common. In my youth, food poisoning was not all that uncommon. My brother, sister-in-law, and myself all got what I suspect was salmonella from take out tacos. Gave us all a very bad 24-48 hrs, and we ran out of TP, everybody too sick to go get more. It was awful, I was the sickest, and can remember it clearly, but not one of the 3 of us considered suing the taco place, or trying to close them down. We sucked it up and went on, full of pepto-bismol. I guess we were basically healthy enough, nobody went to a doctor and we all recovered. That was a different time, seems like it was a different world, 45 years ago. 228 cases last I heard, out of a population of around 300 million. I'm astonished at the uproar, to tell the truth. Particularly in light of the statistics regarding food borne illnesses on this site: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/Vol5no5/mead.htm In any case, I now have CS, and it has been stopping all consequences whenever I eat something that has gone off for the past 6 years or so. One of the many reasons I'm very grateful to have learned about CS, and to be able to make and take all I want whenever I need it. sol Ode Coyote wrote: 10 people out of 100 million get Salmonella and whole industries grind to a halt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1506 - Release Date: 6/17/2008 4:30 PM
Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
I so agree with you Sol! I'm sick of this society where no-one takes responsibility for themselves and always has to blame someone or something else! Someone somewhere is going to 'catch' something, and nothing can be done about it. It is all this trying to cover all contingencies which is putting the price of everything up and causing major hardship for all walks of life, especially the service industries. My family are builders, and the health and safety regulations are an impossible nightmare now. They make pricing a job now too much for people to pay, and the best of it is, it makes no difference to the work, or the quality of work. There are still cowboys' out there who *have* all the qualifications and yet still don't do it properly, so it just makes life hard for all those who do. There are also those who have no qualifications, but could do a perfect job, if allowed. I agree with you about the CS too; for me it is a miracle almost cure all. Anything wrong; straight to the CS. No doctors or vets. Just wish I could persuade others to put the same faith in it, but still, if they don't that's their loss isn't it? Dee ---Original Message--- From: sol Date: 17/06/2008 20:37:56 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack I'm not sure what the total ended up being? I'm old enough to remember when salmonella was pretty common. In my youth, food poisoning was not all that uncommon. My brother, sister-in-law, and myself all got what I suspect was salmonella from take out tacos. Gave us all a very bad 24-48 hrs, and we ran out of TP, everybody too sick to go get more. It was awful, I was the sickest, and can remember it clearly, but not one of the 3 of us considered suing the taco place, or trying to close them down. We sucked it up and went on, full of pepto-bismol. I guess we were basically healthy enough, nobody went to a doctor and we all recovered. That was a different time, seems like it was a different world, 45 years ago. 228 cases last I heard, out of a population of around 300 million. I'm astonished at the uproar, to tell the truth. Particularly in light of the statistics regarding food borne illnesses on this site: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/Vol5no5/mead.htm In any case, I now have CS, and it has been stopping all consequences whenever I eat something that has gone off for the past 6 years or so. One of the many reasons I'm very grateful to have learned about CS, and to be able to make and take all I want whenever I need it. sol
Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
Right! The media is shaping the message for our industrial farm darlings to get what they want. It's the media that is putting fear in the people about tomatoes. Not the other way around. The people didn't even know there was a problem until the media started hammering on it. Paula - Original Message - From: bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack You don't understand. They are building the case for food irradiation, pure and simple. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack I'm not sure what the total ended up being? I'm old enough to remember when salmonella was pretty common. In my youth, food poisoning was not all that uncommon. My brother, sister-in-law, and myself all got what I suspect was salmonella from take out tacos. Gave us all a very bad 24-48 hrs, and we ran out of TP, everybody too sick to go get more. It was awful, I was the sickest, and can remember it clearly, but not one of the 3 of us considered suing the taco place, or trying to close them down. We sucked it up and went on, full of pepto-bismol. I guess we were basically healthy enough, nobody went to a doctor and we all recovered. That was a different time, seems like it was a different world, 45 years ago. 228 cases last I heard, out of a population of around 300 million. I'm astonished at the uproar, to tell the truth. Particularly in light of the statistics regarding food borne illnesses on this site: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/Vol5no5/mead.htm In any case, I now have CS, and it has been stopping all consequences whenever I eat something that has gone off for the past 6 years or so. One of the many reasons I'm very grateful to have learned about CS, and to be able to make and take all I want whenever I need it. sol Ode Coyote wrote: 10 people out of 100 million get Salmonella and whole industries grind to a halt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
At 03:28 PM 6/17/2008 -0700, you wrote: You don't understand. They are building the case for food irradiation, pure and simple. ## Understand that it's the *answered* cry for protection vs the losses of recalls that is building the case for irradiation as a means of self defense. It's either that, or the *industry* goes bust and the entire market goes alternative, costing more, triggering DIFFERENT demands that can't be met. Diametrically opposing demands met, require the third alternative. If cheap food is demanded along with absolute safety, that safety will be accomplished Come Hell or High Water by any means possible ..or else, NEITHER can be accomplished.and any *lessor evils* vs *no food at any price* as the result of a dead industry regulated out of business, swept under the carpet. IOW the consumer is screwing himself with untenable absolutes. The auto industry has been hampered the same way. Greater safety means more mass and volume. More mass and volume means less mileage. Simple physics. In 1994 they could make a car that got 48-55 MPG and meet the safety mandates of that day In 1996 that same car made safer to meet new mandates could only do 36-43 MPG and do that, less well. [no pep ] Mandates made such a pig out of a practical vehicle that no one would buy it...end of story. And now, 28-36 MPG is being called good when 60 MPG is what's needed, but made impossible by people who don't feel a need to watch where they're driving, yet wish to be safe. Those who can't own the truth will have to buy a lie, or, there's nothing to sell OR own. Ode - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack I'm not sure what the total ended up being? I'm old enough to remember when salmonella was pretty common. In my youth, food poisoning was not all that uncommon. My brother, sister-in-law, and myself all got what I suspect was salmonella from take out tacos. Gave us all a very bad 24-48 hrs, and we ran out of TP, everybody too sick to go get more. It was awful, I was the sickest, and can remember it clearly, but not one of the 3 of us considered suing the taco place, or trying to close them down. We sucked it up and went on, full of pepto-bismol. I guess we were basically healthy enough, nobody went to a doctor and we all recovered. That was a different time, seems like it was a different world, 45 years ago. 228 cases last I heard, out of a population of around 300 million. I'm astonished at the uproar, to tell the truth. Particularly in light of the statistics regarding food borne illnesses on this site: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/Vol5no5/mead.htm In any case, I now have CS, and it has been stopping all consequences whenever I eat something that has gone off for the past 6 years or so. One of the many reasons I'm very grateful to have learned about CS, and to be able to make and take all I want whenever I need it. sol Ode Coyote wrote: 10 people out of 100 million get Salmonella and whole industries grind to a halt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1506 - Release Date: 6/17/2008 4:30 PM
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Agreed in totality Paula - one day, hopefully in the near future, the media will get the message and stop doing the damage they do on a daily basis to all of us, especially those who either do not have the time or ability to search out the truth for themselves - not just on tomatoes but on just about every subject which life in today's world focus on ! Well said ! Sandee Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set www.aliveagaingrenada.com Right! The media is shaping the message for our industrial farm darlings to get what they want. It's the media that is putting fear in the people about tomatoes. Not the other way around. The people didn't even know there was a problem until the media started hammering on it. Paula Click to shop and compare great deals on new vehicles. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nd6NgcwqIVKDdCaLARHZoMUjWNoyhWsOlzYtRxzgZ3N8u44/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
You would like the FDA to tell you where you can get food from? More freedom for the consumer, they catch hell, less freedom, they catch hell. Shelve something because someone had a problem, they catch hell. Don't respond fast enough in taking things off shelves and they catch hell. That's gotta be why the FDA exists...just to catch hell. Oh well, at least that's easier to be perfect at. 10 people out of 100 million get Salmonella and whole industries grind to a halt with nothing left to eat BUT irradiated imports. Suck it up industry, and don't raise prices to cover the losses when half a million tons of produce becomes compost. ..and you wonder why they investigate how to sterilize food with the least damage possible. Is some damage better than a nation wide recall? You bet it is. It's come down to either that, or no cheap commercially grown produce. So what's it gonna be? Look out for yourself some, or have someone else do it for you then hamper them into stagnation when doing it is difficult? Lookie, go to your local organic market where the farmer just down the road autographs every carrot and pets every chicken and pay the price. He ALWAYS washes his hands. [not] Most people in the world grow and pick their own food and eat their own germies? Others wash and/or blanch it?? [wilted lettuce, very popular ..with vinegar ?? ] But Americans expect perfection from hordes of cheap illiterate labor that poops in a ditch like they've done for millennia and won't pay what it costs to use more educated American labor...as though an American would pick lettuce for *any* wage these days. Would YOU toast your buttocks bending over in the sun day after day, year after year for ..oh say... $20 an hour, with benifits? Would someone else pay that cost when they buy that produce? Naw. YOU would be the greedy target of consumer complaints. Crap, I've done my share of migrant labor making $15-$20 a day picking oranges and grapefruit...it's heat stoke hot, with rattle snakes and very-sharp-thorns that break off in your finger tips and fester and give you Tiger stripe scratch welts that form scars all over your body. THOSE GUYS ARE AMAZING ! I was pretty tough back then, but I didn't last long. [Rattle snake with orange sauce is pretty darned tasty, though. ] Count your blessings that its' not *your* puss getting on the fruit as your swollen fingers throb all night...just to start over again at dawn, day after day after sweltering day eating salt pills to stay conscious and very little breakfast so you don't puke before noon. I'll take a few second hand gamma rays over another day in the groves, any time. If you don't pick, you don't know what choice is. ..very quick on the condemnation draw. What happened to walking a mile in anothers shoes? You have ANY idea what [any] they are up against? No, ya'll never even thought to think about it...just blast away and never mind the rubble. No such a thing as a big picture. No one else should have problems. I guess every one *else* is supposed to be perfect and if they aren't, they're out to kill you. I do declare! It must be a tough life to not be able to see anything, but, in shades of black. Even that Tiger Striped grove worker has joy in his short painful sun burned life...laughing and singing through it all. They aren't starving in a mud hovel anymore and life is GOOD. OK, so if they can't do EVERYTHING juuust right, don't do anything at all. and it'll be a perfect world. [Oh wait, no one is doing anything...danged perfect rubble. ] I think I'll go barbecue a Jewish scapegoat over some worthless dirty fingered sun dried Mexicans now...that'll fix my attitude. Then, I too can cringe in fear when someone else isn't doing the impossible ...for me...to make my little closeted dependent life, risk free. ..while others suffer daily realities I could never dream of while sitting here in the dark with air conditioning and indoor plumbing, expecting perfection. ..and not knowing a DAMNED THING about what it takes to make things as-good-as-they-are. jesus kee-riest Talk about disgusting. I mean, get up and walk around a little !!! Look at the realities of the alternatives before condemning that which you have no knowledge or experience of. Ode At 06:59 AM 6/16/2008 -0400, you wrote: One disgusting thing after the other seems to be doing what our FDA is doing. In addition it appears that the FDA has cleared the way for importation of Chinese chicken. Soon we will be the most unhealthy population in the world, if we aren't already. Paula - Original Message - From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation Understanding Food Irradiation http://www.centerfo rfoodsafety. org/food_ irrad.cfm What is Food Irradiation? Food irradiation
Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
I'm not sure what the total ended up being? I'm old enough to remember when salmonella was pretty common. In my youth, food poisoning was not all that uncommon. My brother, sister-in-law, and myself all got what I suspect was salmonella from take out tacos. Gave us all a very bad 24-48 hrs, and we ran out of TP, everybody too sick to go get more. It was awful, I was the sickest, and can remember it clearly, but not one of the 3 of us considered suing the taco place, or trying to close them down. We sucked it up and went on, full of pepto-bismol. I guess we were basically healthy enough, nobody went to a doctor and we all recovered. That was a different time, seems like it was a different world, 45 years ago. 228 cases last I heard, out of a population of around 300 million. I'm astonished at the uproar, to tell the truth. Particularly in light of the statistics regarding food borne illnesses on this site: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/Vol5no5/mead.htm In any case, I now have CS, and it has been stopping all consequences whenever I eat something that has gone off for the past 6 years or so. One of the many reasons I'm very grateful to have learned about CS, and to be able to make and take all I want whenever I need it. sol Ode Coyote wrote: 10 people out of 100 million get Salmonella and whole industries grind to a halt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack
You don't understand. They are building the case for food irradiation, pure and simple. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSUnderstanding Food Irradiation... in light of consumer attack I'm not sure what the total ended up being? I'm old enough to remember when salmonella was pretty common. In my youth, food poisoning was not all that uncommon. My brother, sister-in-law, and myself all got what I suspect was salmonella from take out tacos. Gave us all a very bad 24-48 hrs, and we ran out of TP, everybody too sick to go get more. It was awful, I was the sickest, and can remember it clearly, but not one of the 3 of us considered suing the taco place, or trying to close them down. We sucked it up and went on, full of pepto-bismol. I guess we were basically healthy enough, nobody went to a doctor and we all recovered. That was a different time, seems like it was a different world, 45 years ago. 228 cases last I heard, out of a population of around 300 million. I'm astonished at the uproar, to tell the truth. Particularly in light of the statistics regarding food borne illnesses on this site: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/Vol5no5/mead.htm In any case, I now have CS, and it has been stopping all consequences whenever I eat something that has gone off for the past 6 years or so. One of the many reasons I'm very grateful to have learned about CS, and to be able to make and take all I want whenever I need it. sol Ode Coyote wrote: 10 people out of 100 million get Salmonella and whole industries grind to a halt -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
