Re: CSWhere's Ode ?

2004-08-04 Thread Ode Coyote
 The only experience I've had with HVAC is this really bad 20,000 volt
generator that a customer sent me that made emulsified mud in 4 minutes and
would burn up in 6 minutes. [It might be HVDC..I ran it once and stashed it
away]
 No controls on current at all. Current density on the electrodes was WAY
up there.

I've been messing around with low frequency LVAC [square wave] and find
that higher frequencies [under 30 seconds] at low voltages don't yield much
more than excessive plateout and crap foating around if going for the
higher PPMs.
Lower frequencies [over 60 seconds] is very much like DC...except both of
the elecrodes build up oxides and crud still gets blown off into the water.
 The crud does settle out in a few days resulting in what looks like very
nice CS..but I can make the same thing without having to let crud settle
out with straight DC in a lot less time.
 AC is always fighting itself to some degree, at some point.

With higher frequencies like 60 CPS, very high voltage [5 to 50 Kv?] is
needed to put enough velocity behind the ions so they don't just get sucked
back onto the electrodes as plate out when the polarity changes.

 Other than that, [drawing on descriptions from those who do it] HVAC [with
submerged electrodes] works just like LVDC, only a lot faster.
 An ion is an ion is an ion.
 If you let it 'run away', it runs really far and really fast, even to the
point of boiling the water.

HVAC/ HVDC open arc in an inert gas blanket might be different with some
sort of electrosputtering thing going on.

 I design and sell generators for home use by people who [sometimes] barely
know how to change a light bulb.
 I often get emails from people who are confused by the instructions. My
response is..don't read them, just fill it with water, plug it in and wait.
After you see what happens [or doesn't happen] , then read.
 I actually had one returned for refund because the person couldn't figure
out how to plug it in. [They must have gotten help ordering it?]
 Generators running in the kilovolt range, while great for CS bottlers
because they work fast and technicians because they have wonderful 'gee
whiz' features, is a wrongful death lawsuit waiting to happen.

Ode

At 09:53 PM 8/3/2004, you wrote:
Thought that might get your attention.

I waswondering if anyone besides me makes CS or CG using
HVAC and what your results are.  I am having very good results. The people
I have given it to tell me it works well on many conditions.

Bill Amos


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CSWhere's Ode ?

2004-08-03 Thread William Amos
Thought that might get your attention.

I waswondering if anyone besides me makes CS or CG using
HVAC and what your results are.  I am having very good results. The people I 
have given it to tell me it works well on many conditions.

Bill Amos


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