Re: CSionic-colloidal
Marshall, Allow me to correct' , you stateas an ion can be Ag2O... Ag2O is a molecule not an ion. The missiing two electrons in the silver are supplied by the negatively charged Oxygen singlet and the combination is thus stable and electronically balanced. Regards Frank - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: Re: CSionic-colloidal Terry Chamberlin wrote: Frank Key said: Regarding Terry Chamberlin's comments on ions: To put all the definitions into practical perspective requires only that one understand the following sentence. The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not. All that you are saying is that charged silver particles smaller than a certain size (what you are designating *ionic*) interact with chloride in a certain way, and charged or non-charged particles bigger than a certain size (what you are calling *colloidal*) do not. It does almost appear that way, except a two atom ion/particle does seems to exist. As an ion it can be silver oxide Ag2O, and as a particle it can be Ag2. They are both 2 atoms, but the particle one will not react with AgCl, but the ionic one will. Just what the difference is in these two is difficult to say, except one is reactive and the other is not. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSionic-colloidal
Terry Chamberlin wrote: Frank Key said: Regarding Terry Chamberlin's comments on ions: To put all the definitions into practical perspective requires only that one understand the following sentence. The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not. All that you are saying is that charged silver particles smaller than a certain size (what you are designating *ionic*) interact with chloride in a certain way, and charged or non-charged particles bigger than a certain size (what you are calling *colloidal*) do not. It does almost appear that way, except a two atom ion/particle does seems to exist. As an ion it can be silver oxide Ag2O, and as a particle it can be Ag2. They are both 2 atoms, but the particle one will not react with AgCl, but the ionic one will. Just what the difference is in these two is difficult to say, except one is reactive and the other is not. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSionic-colloidal
Terry Chamberlin wrote: All that you are saying is that charged silver particles smaller than a certain size (what you are designating *ionic*) interact with chloride in a certain way, and charged or non-charged particles bigger than a certain size (what you are calling *colloidal*) do not. That is not a true statement. Ionic silver consists of individual ions not silver particles smaller than a certain size. Chamberlin's statement fail to make a distinction between ionic charge and particle charge. Ionic charge is defined as A positive or negative electric charge possessed by an ion as a result of the gain or loss of one or more orbital electrons . Silver ions always possess a positive ionic charge due the loss of a single electron. Ionic charge is responsible for the electrostatic repulsion that causes ions to remain dispersed in a liquid. Particle charge is defined as: A charge imparted to the particle due to adsorption of ions from the surrounding solution . The charge is produced at the slipping plane surrounding the particle and is called the zeta potential . Particle behavior in an electric field is determined by its zeta potential. 'interact with chloride' is not the same as 'forms a chemical bond'. Silver particles do not form chemical bonds with chloride ions, ONLY silver ions form chemical bonds with chloride ions(AgCl). The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not. Also see the Summary of Properties: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Summary_of_Properties.PDF What is written by Terry Chamberlin attempts to blur the distinction between ions and particles. This practice is described on the webpage dealing with bogus scientific claims: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/bogus-silver.html The primary thrust of bogus scientific claims made for ionic silver products generally involve statements to the effect that silver ions are the same as silver particles, or that ions are particles. Because the products being promoted consist mainly of ionic silver, not silver particles, the promoters try to blur the distinction between these two entirely different entities. Silver particles have the property of particle surface area and ions do not since they are dissolved silver. Colloid effectiveness is determined by particle surface area making it the single most important property of a silver colloid. For more on this issue, see Particle Surface Area and Effectiveness. Ionic silver products have very low values of particle surface area. Frank Key www.ColloidalScienceLab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
