Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Bill Kingsbury]

Is colloidal copper mostly "free copper"?

You don't want too much free copper, which can be toxic.

--Bill


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18827576

Brewer GJ. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2008 Nov;11(6):727-32.

The risks of free copper in the body and the development of useful anticopper 
drugs.

Abstract

PURPOSE OF REVIEW: To review the toxicity and risks of free copper in Wilson's 
disease, Alzheimer's disease, other disease of neurodegeneration, and cognitive 
loss in the general population. We will also review the anticopper drugs and 
how lowering free copper levels with an anticopper drug inhibits fibrosis, 
inflammation, and autoimmunity.

RECENT FINDINGS: Some exciting recent work indicates that free copper levels 
are increased in Alzheimer's disease, and copper may be involved in disease 
pathogenesis, opening the way to possible therapy of Alzheimer's disease with 
anticopper drugs. Copper may also be involved in other diseases of 
neurodegeneration. A very exciting recent study indicts high intake of copper, 
mostly from copper supplements, in conjunction with a high-fat diet in more 
rapid cognitive decline in the general population. Other data indicate that 
even low levels of copper in drinking water, perhaps similar to copper 
supplements, bypasses the liver, enters the circulation, increases the 
blood-brain penetration of copper, and may cause damage.

SUMMARY: Some of the implications are that Alzheimer's disease and other 
diseases of neurodegeneration and fibrotic, inflammatory, and autoimmune 
diseases may be treatable by lowering the availability of free copper. People 
in the general population may wish to take steps to lower their free copper 
levels and, in particular, to abstain from taking copper supplements and 
ingesting significant amounts of copper in drinking water.

PMID: 18827576 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




--- At 03:35 PM 2018-07-16, PT Ferrance wrote:
>
>Hello,
>There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the body 
>and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this list made 
>colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
>Thanks.
>PT
>
>
>  


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Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Reid Harvey]

Is there any advantage of copper over silver, considering that the cost
would be just about the same?  Wouldn't the fact of 'no current runaway'
only be an issue for those who sleep through whichever process, while using
the less expensive generators?  Should we feel the need to tell the newbies
about colloidal copper?

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:46 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Hi Ode,
> Do you have directions for making it?  I really need something more
> specific and then I will get the wires.
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Ode Coyote 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT
>
> It takes around 20 volts, not 'real' high.
> Copper is entirely different than silver.
> It doesn't produce Ions, conductivity doesn't increase, therefore it will
> never have current "runaway"..meaning:  Current controls aren't being used
> and a conductivity related "Auto Off"  *will not work*.
> Colloidal copper does not register on any meter making them TOTALLY
> useless.
> Colloidal copper has no flavor or color.
> The only way you can tell you made anything is with a laser pointer to
> view the Tyndall Effect [light beam] and that doesn't say much about  'how
> strong'
> Do not mix silver and copper as copper will pull every trace of both out
> of the water and drop it to the bottom as a black fuzz.[and/or other weird
> things]
> It  is also a good idea to use a jar other than your silver batch jar to
> make copper.
> *Be aware that, because both copper and silver use Selenium to control
> these metals levels, internal consumption of too much copper can be toxic
> and may alter your ability to eliminate silver.  Selenium supplementation
> may be advisable. [ But don't over do that as to much Selenium is quite
> toxic ]*
>
> *You can probably use the faraday calculator to predict PPM*
>
> *Ode*
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:
>
> Hallo PT,
> Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires special
> equipment to make pure copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage
> required)
> However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver maker
> is quite possible: Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods
> for copper rods and complete the process.
> How to check the ppm or strength? Keeping quality? particle size?
> Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some years ago. Dont trust me ,
> go to : https://www.mail-archive.com/ silver-list@eskimo.com/
> maillist.html
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html>
> I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth of info there. :-))
> OK, Tony
>
> --
>
> On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :
> Subject : CS>colloidal copper - OT
>
> Hello,
> There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the
> body and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this
> list made colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Ode Coyote]

Basically, hook up 2 copper wires to a 24 volt DC power supply [or 3 nines
for 27 volts], submerge in distilled water and let it run.
I let a quart batch run for 24 hours. [for no particular reason other than
I get a good bright TE]
It will not 'Runaway'

16-18 volts is probably enough

Ode



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:46 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Hi Ode,
> Do you have directions for making it?  I really need something more
> specific and then I will get the wires.
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Ode Coyote 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT
>
> It takes around 20 volts, not 'real' high.
> Copper is entirely different than silver.
> It doesn't produce Ions, conductivity doesn't increase, therefore it will
> never have current "runaway"..meaning:  Current controls aren't being used
> and a conductivity related "Auto Off"  *will not work*.
> Colloidal copper does not register on any meter making them TOTALLY
> useless.
> Colloidal copper has no flavor or color.
> The only way you can tell you made anything is with a laser pointer to
> view the Tyndall Effect [light beam] and that doesn't say much about  'how
> strong'
> Do not mix silver and copper as copper will pull every trace of both out
> of the water and drop it to the bottom as a black fuzz.[and/or other weird
> things]
> It  is also a good idea to use a jar other than your silver batch jar to
> make copper.
> *Be aware that, because both copper and silver use Selenium to control
> these metals levels, internal consumption of too much copper can be toxic
> and may alter your ability to eliminate silver.  Selenium supplementation
> may be advisable. [ But don't over do that as to much Selenium is quite
> toxic ]*
>
> *You can probably use the faraday calculator to predict PPM*
>
> *Ode*
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:
>
> Hallo PT,
> Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires special
> equipment to make pure copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage
> required)
> However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver maker
> is quite possible: Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods
> for copper rods and complete the process.
> How to check the ppm or strength? Keeping quality? particle size?
> Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some years ago. Dont trust me ,
> go to : https://www.mail-archive.com/ silver-list@eskimo.com/
> maillist.html
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html>
> I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth of info there. :-))
> OK, Tony
>
> --
>
> On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :
> Subject : CS>colloidal copper - OT
>
> Hello,
> There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the
> body and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this
> list made colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Ode,Do you have directions for making it?  I really need something more 
specific and then I will get the wires.Thanks.PT


  From: Ode Coyote 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:33 AM
 Subject: Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT
   
It takes around 20 volts, not 'real' high.Copper is entirely different than 
silver.
It doesn't produce Ions, conductivity doesn't increase, therefore it will never 
have current "runaway"..meaning:  Current controls aren't being used and a 
conductivity related "Auto Off"  will not work.
Colloidal copper does not register on any meter making them TOTALLY useless.
Colloidal copper has no flavor or color.
The only way you can tell you made anything is with a laser pointer to view the 
Tyndall Effect [light beam] and that doesn't say much about  'how strong'
Do not mix silver and copper as copper will pull every trace of both out of the 
water and drop it to the bottom as a black fuzz.[and/or other weird things]It  
is also a good idea to use a jar other than your silver batch jar to make 
copper.
Be aware that, because both copper and silver use Selenium to control these 
metals levels, internal consumption of too much copper can be toxic and may 
alter your ability to eliminate silver.  Selenium supplementation may be 
advisable. [ But don't over do that as to much Selenium is quite toxic ]
You can probably use the faraday calculator to predict PPMOde


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:

Hallo PT, Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires 
special equipment to make pure copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage 
required) However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver 
maker is quite possible: Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods 
for copper rods and complete the process. How to check the ppm or strength? 
Keeping quality? particle size? Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some 
years ago. Dont trust me , go to : https://www.mail-archive.com/ 
silver-list@eskimo.com/ maillist.html I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth 
of info there. :-)) OK, Tony

On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :Subject : CS>colloidal copper 
- OT
Hello,There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the 
body and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this list 
made colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?Thanks.PT  



   

Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks Ode and Tony.  Not knowing much about electronics, perhaps it is best I 
try to find some to purchase.PT

  From: Ode Coyote 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:33 AM
 Subject: Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT
   
It takes around 20 volts, not 'real' high.Copper is entirely different than 
silver.
It doesn't produce Ions, conductivity doesn't increase, therefore it will never 
have current "runaway"..meaning:  Current controls aren't being used and a 
conductivity related "Auto Off"  will not work.
Colloidal copper does not register on any meter making them TOTALLY useless.
Colloidal copper has no flavor or color.
The only way you can tell you made anything is with a laser pointer to view the 
Tyndall Effect [light beam] and that doesn't say much about  'how strong'
Do not mix silver and copper as copper will pull every trace of both out of the 
water and drop it to the bottom as a black fuzz.[and/or other weird things]It  
is also a good idea to use a jar other than your silver batch jar to make 
copper.
Be aware that, because both copper and silver use Selenium to control these 
metals levels, internal consumption of too much copper can be toxic and may 
alter your ability to eliminate silver.  Selenium supplementation may be 
advisable. [ But don't over do that as to much Selenium is quite toxic ]
You can probably use the faraday calculator to predict PPMOde


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:

Hallo PT, Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires 
special equipment to make pure copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage 
required) However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver 
maker is quite possible: Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods 
for copper rods and complete the process. How to check the ppm or strength? 
Keeping quality? particle size? Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some 
years ago. Dont trust me , go to : https://www.mail-archive.com/ 
silver-list@eskimo.com/ maillist.html I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth 
of info there. :-)) OK, Tony

On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :Subject : CS>colloidal copper 
- OT
Hello,There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the 
body and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this list 
made colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?Thanks.PT  



   

Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Tony Moody]

Thanks Ode, for you practical , hands on knowledge.

OK, 
Tony 



On 17 Jul 2018 at 5:33, Ode Coyote wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

It takes around 20 volts, not 'real' high.
Copper is entirely different than silver.
It doesn't produce Ions, conductivity doesn't increase, therefore it 
will never have current "runaway"..meaning: Current controls aren't 
being used and a conductivity related "Auto Off" will not work.
Colloidal copper does not register on any meter making them 
TOTALLY useless.
Colloidal copper has no flavor or color.
The only way you can tell you made anything is with a laser pointer 
to view the Tyndall Effect [light beam] and that doesn't say much 
about 'how strong'
Do not mix silver and copper as copper will pull every trace of both 
out of the water and drop it to the bottom as a black fuzz.[and/or 
other weird things]
It is also a good idea to use a jar other than your silver batch jar to 
make copper.
Be aware that, because both copper and silver use Selenium to 
control these metals levels, internal consumption of too much 
copper can be toxic and may alter your ability to eliminate 
silver. Selenium supplementation may be advisable. [ But don't 
over do that as to much Selenium is quite toxic ]

You can probably use the faraday calculator to predict PPM
Ode


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:
Hallo PT,
Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires special 
equipment to make pure 
copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage required)
However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver maker is 
quite possible: 
Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods for copper rods and 
complete the process.
How to check the ppm or strength? Keeping quality? particle size?
Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some years ago. Dont trust me , go 
to : 
https://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html
I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth of info there. :-))
OK, Tony



On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :
Subject : CS>colloidal copper - OT

Hello,
There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the 
body and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this 
list made colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Ode Coyote]

It takes around 20 volts, not 'real' high.

Copper is entirely different than silver.
It doesn't produce Ions, conductivity doesn't increase, therefore it will
never have current "runaway"..meaning:  Current controls aren't being used
and a conductivity related "Auto Off"  *will not work*.
Colloidal copper does not register on any meter making them TOTALLY useless.
Colloidal copper has no flavor or color.
The only way you can tell you made anything is with a laser pointer to view
the Tyndall Effect [light beam] and that doesn't say much about  'how
strong'
Do not mix silver and copper as copper will pull every trace of both out of
the water and drop it to the bottom as a black fuzz.[and/or other weird
things]

It  is also a good idea to use a jar other than your silver batch jar to
make copper.
*Be aware that, because both copper and silver use Selenium to control
these metals levels, internal consumption of too much copper can be toxic
and may alter your ability to eliminate silver.  Selenium supplementation
may be advisable. [ But don't over do that as to much Selenium is quite
toxic ]*


*You can probably use the faraday calculator to predict PPM*


*Ode*


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:

> Hallo PT,
>
> Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires special
> equipment to make pure copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage
> required)
>
> However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver maker
> is quite possible: Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods
> for copper rods and complete the process.
>
> How to check the ppm or strength? Keeping quality? particle size?
>
> Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some years ago. Dont trust me ,
> go to : https://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html
>
> I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth of info there. :-))
>
> OK, Tony
>
> --
>
> On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :
> Subject : CS>colloidal copper - OT
>
> Hello,
> There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the
> body and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this
> list made colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>

Re: CS>colloidal copper - OT

[Tony Moody]

Hallo PT, 
Yes, normal house wiring copper is fairly pure. But it requires special 
equipment to make pure 
copper colloid. ( think it is very high voltage required) 
However, from memory, making colloidal copper-silver with a silver maker is 
quite possible: 
Make some colloidal silver, then swap the silver rods for copper rods and 
complete the process. 
How to check the ppm or strength? Keeping quality? particle size? 
Hmm. There was a discussion of the subject some years ago. Dont trust me , go 
to : 
https://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html 
I typed in 'copper' and there is a wealth of info there. :-)) 
OK, Tony



On 16 Jul 2018 at 22:35, PT Ferrance wrote about :
Subject : CS>colloidal copper - OT

Hello,
There has been a conversation going on about the need for copper in the body 
and people have written about colloidal copper. Has anyone on this list made 
colloidal copper? If you have how did you do it?
Thanks.
PT