Re: CS>off topic posts

[M. G. Devour]

Thank you, TJ! We love you anyway! 

We're working on TJ's technique... err, technical problem. Yes, he 
really does understand the commercial activity rules! 

Mike D.
the understanding one...

> Mike- I KNOW I addressed my reply directly to Bob. I believe there are
> gremlins in my laptop-or is it Homeland Security?  Sorry, I will be Very
> careful from now on.   TJ



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Re: CS>current regulating

[M. G. Devour]

> Buy the .91 or the 1.1 ma rated diode  instead of the 1.0 ma rated
> diode.  
> You will pay twice as much for the 1.0 ma rated diode.

Yeah, I noticed that, too, Dan. 5 bucks for the even numbers like 1.0, 
2.0, 3.0... but only a couple of bucks for 2.2ma.

Clever pricing, that. Probably doubles their profits. In either case, 
it's not an expensive device.

Mike D.

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CS>Knees

[Medwith, Robert]

Thanks for all the Posts and help.
I will be trying them to see what works.
Only thing I am not going to use is thr MSM  as I can not take it (tryed
it).
 
Bob

CS>Knees / CMO

[Medwith, Robert]

Forgot, where is cheapest place to buy CMO. It looks like I will be trying
the CMO on a long term basis.
 
   Bob

Re: CS>Silver Kills Virus

[Ode Coyote]

  Ahhh sooo, The grand effort to put a rifle scope on a blunderbuss so 
only licensed arms dealers can sell patented stones for slingshots when 
landslides are free..

 Who cares how much misses if enough hits and what misses hits nothing?

 I have a friend with HIV who has been testing negative ever since she 
started using home made EIS.
 A customer wrote to say he now has a zero viral count after entertaining 
6 million Hep C beasties for 15 years.


I don't think we really need a ballistics computer to go quail hunting.
 You don't really need a particle size 'cap' to go for a walk in a quarry 
full of crusher run.


Like it says on the spaghetti sauce jar, "Preggo...it's in there"!

Ode

At 07:29 PM 2/28/2006 -0800, you wrote:






SILVER KILLS VIRUSES, STUDY FINDS



From: dpd
Date: 2/28/2006
Time: 6:00:04 PM
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Comments



http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1401 



Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com

In a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published a 
study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to kill 
virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the 
University of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study to 
ever explore the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to Physorg.


During the study, researchers used three different methods of limiting the 
size of the silver nanoparticles by using capping agents. The capping 
agents were foamy carbon, poly (PVP), and bovine serum albumin (BSA). The 
particles ranged in size from 1 to 10 nanometers depending on the method 
of capping. After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C, the silver particles 
killed 100% of the virus within 3 hours for all three methods. The 
scientists believe that the silver particles bonded through glycoprotein 
knobs on the virus with spacing of about 22 nanometers in length.


While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that 
nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses. The 
researchers in the study said that they had already begin experiments 
using silver nanoparticles to kill what is known as the super bug 
(Methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus). Already used as a topical 
antibiotic in the medical industry, silver may now come under 
consideration as an alternative to drugs when it comes to fighting 
previously untreatable viruses such as the Tamiflu resistant avian flu.


staff reports - Free-Market News Network


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Re: CS>current regulating

[Ode Coyote]

  It's called a current regulating diode.
Do a search at www.mouser.com

about $5

Ode

At 06:30 AM 3/1/2006 -0800, you wrote:

I hope that no one minds my repost.  I did not receive an answer to my 
inquiry and I am quite sure the answer lies within these borders


"I have been using with success a funky Silver generator that does not 
have current regulation.  I have come to use a magnetic stirrer for a long 
time now and that was a huge breakthru, then I added a voltage limiting 
X10 unit that I have to push a button to adjust.  It works OK, but I have 
never added the current limiting diode that would keep the limit on my system.


I may even have received this info before and I know it's been discussed 
muchobut, what is the elec gizmo I need, where do I get it, and how is 
it installed?"


Gracios,

Maz


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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Ode Coyote]

  Cast iron for frying and some baking, enamel ware for boiling and baking.
Cast iron that's properly seasoned and never sees soap is almost as non 
stick as teflon...and you can use steel spatulas with it.
 Seasoned cast aluminum is as good as cast iron and the brown to black 
seasoning layer prevents aluminum exposure...beats the heck out of a teflon 
waffle grid.


 I've dug brand new looking cast waffle irons out of dumpsters because the 
previous owner insisted on washing it.


Ode


At 08:16 PM 3/1/2006 -0500, you wrote:

Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I am 
trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me,  Jen


Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update



Aluminum is definitely toxic.

There are some that are blasted with a ceramic outer coating that are
probably safe.  Aluminum was demonstrated to be toxic years ago.

The continued use of it is part of the attack on the human population.

See: www.trufax.org.

-Original Message-
From: Jeanne [mailto:rus...@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

I have been trying to change to aluminum also, but i can't find any frying
pans anywhere made of aluminum, where did you get yours?   Jen
- Original Message - From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update



Ok this isn't about CS, but some months back I posted about wanting to
change from SS cookware to aluminum.
I was able to find anodized aluminum cookware and made the switch in about



mid Dec of 05. I changed everything, even stopping using an SS teakettle
for boiling water.
Allergy responses can be difficult to impossible to track, and I have
other allergies besides nickel, but over the months the number of eczema
startups I've had has reduced to the point where I am taking less than
half the antihistamines, no longer have to take the H2 blockers, and have
not had to use cortisone ointments, etc.
I still hesitate to state that this must prove I was getting enough nickel



leached into food cooked in SS to keep me constantly reactive (could be
due to other things I haven't even considered or noticed)
butthe change is quite dramatic.
sol


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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Wendy]

Glass visionware pots are supposed to be ideal. Remember those? \They
come in rose or a brown colour and they are seethrough...all different
sizes. We have a bunch of them.Up until a few years ago you could
purchase a set of 3 at Canadian Tire for $25 Can. However then they
apparently quit making them... Upon further investigation it seems they
do still make them but apparently overseas, Chiina I think. I know that
here in Toronto you can pick them up starting at $6 each at the outlet
stores. One place says they get a shipment a few times a year.

I find mine at Goodwill, thrift stores and garage sales. My kids break
them a lot ;-) Last summer I found a huge glass fry pan that cooks an
awesome pot of rice and a dutch oven that works wonderfully for chicken!
It took me awhile to get my head around using glass and things do stick
sometimes especially if you use high heat but even a REALLY bad
stick/burn can be gotten out with boiling, baking soda, vinegar etc.

Reheating things is a challenge for us as we haven't used a microwave in
5 years and leftovers do stick so typically we just don't have left
overs ;-)

Wendy
Orillia
 

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From: Jeanne [mailto:rus...@charter.net] 
Sent: March 1, 2006 8:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I
am 
trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me,
Jen

 


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Re: CS>Re:Price of Silver

[noblemetals]

It is $9.85 t.o. here in US this morning.  That is 31.1 grams per to which is 
10% larger than an avoir. oz.
> 
> From: "HRBE" 
> Date: 2006/03/01 Wed PM 11:27:59 EST
> To: 
> Subject: CS>Re:Price of Silver
> 
> Can anyone in the list tell me how much per ounce is the going price for 
> 99.99% silver?
> 
> Is the unit of weight,  ounce in precious metals the same as the ounce in 
> avoirdupois?
> 
> John in Australia
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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[noblemetals]

Bob, I can give you a deal on a large amount. Say  -a years supply loose for 
$200--$100 discount.  Add $10 for shipping in US. TJ
> 
> From: "Medwith, Robert" 
> Date: 2006/03/02 Thu AM 07:11:53 EST
> To: "'cs'" 
> Subject: CS>Knees / CMO
> 
> Forgot, where is cheapest place to buy CMO. It looks like I will be trying
> the CMO on a long term basis.
>  
>Bob
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[Pat]

I thought if it was good stuff that you only had to take it a couple months or 
so and then you didn't need it anymore?

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Re: CS>Re:Price of Silver

[Marshall Dudley]

$11.25 for canadian silver bullion coins.  If  you purchase in sheet or
wire form you will likely pay about $14 to $15 an ounce.

Marshall

HRBE wrote:

> Can anyone in the list tell me how much per ounce is the going price
> for 99.99% silver? Is the unit of weight,  ounce in precious metals
> the same as the ounce in avoirdupois? John in Australia

Re: CS>The mass poisoning of humanity: an exploration of human stupidity

[Susan]

Yes!! Thanks for confirming my suspicions. Alas, we are living in a chemical 
soup.
   
  Susan

Romka M  wrote:
  

Interesting Article:


http://www.newstarget.com/008511.html



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[noblemetals]

>From www.unhinderedliving.com 

Equipping Your Body To Fight Off Disease




In our previous study about  The Germ Theory , we learned that germs mutate 
into more virulent, pathogenic organisms as the pH of our bodies drops to a 
more acidic level.  To quickly summarize  this progression, we see that: 

Primitive phase microbes live in a strong alkaline pH 
Bacterial phases live in mild alkaline pH 
Fungal forms live in a medium acid pH 
Viral forms live in a strong acid pH 

Scientific evidence has shown us that the microbes which live in our bodies are 
pleomorphic, meaning that as the pH of the body changes toward a more acidic 
level, the harmless microbes which are always present there transform 
themselves into more dangerous disease-causing bacteria, fungi or viruses.  
These disease germs do not originate from outside our bodies, but from inside.  
They grow and mutate based upon the kind of internal environment we provide for 
them to live in. 

In all societies in which the inhabitants live to be between 100 and 150 years 
of age routinely, the following factors have been found to be siginificant: 

1.  After analyzing the mineral content of the water and food of these 
societies, it has been determined that 
they consume approximately 15,000 mg of calcium per day.  This is more than 
enough to neutralize any amount of acid produced by the foods they eat or any 
other biological processes.  By neutralizing the acid in their bodies, they 
keep their pH high enough that no so called "infectious diseases" can incubate 
and grow, because their endobionts do not mutate into virulent forms.  Also, 
they have no cancer, heart disease, Lupus, multiple schlerosis, or any of the 
other plagues of the 20th century.  Their DNA, which requires abundant calcium 
before it can reproduce, is able to regenerate their bodies so that they don't 
grow old. 

2.  They spend 8 to 10 hours per day in the sun, and there is not a case of 
skin cancer among them. 

3.  They drink 3 to 4 quarts per day of this pure mineralized mountain water 
which keeps their bodies from developing disease. 

4.  They eat all the foods we have been told are bad for us.  Fatty, greasy 
meals, full of meat, butter, eggs, cheese, milk and as much salt as they want.  
How can they eat these things?  These foods are highly nutritious, and the high 
levels of calcium in their water neutralize any acid and keeps them healthy.  
Staying out in the sun makes sure that their bodies convert plenty of Vitamin 
D, and also balances their hormones because all your glands are behind your 
eyes and are activated by light - pineal, pituitary, hypothalamic, etc.  You 
need light and the high levels of Vitamin D that the light converts in order to 
balance your hormones and stay healthy.  Also, if your vdr receptors in the 
intestinal tract have all the Vitamin D they need, you absorb 100 times more 
calcium and 10 times more of all other vitamins and nutrients.  Being in the 
sun is crucial to making sure you have adequate vitamin and mineral levels. 

Since I began to teach about nutrition and health, I have almost always 
recommended that people try to stay away from dairy products and try to adopt 
as close to a vegetarian lifestyle as possible.  I taught this because it is 
what I was taught, but it was only propaganda!  My family and I now eat 
anything we want, although we do try to eat organically raised meat, dairy 
products, fruits and vegetables to avoid the cancer causing chemicals in them.  
Other than that, there is no food group which we try to restrict ourselves from 
eating.  We take coral calcium each day, get at least 2 hours of direct 
sunlight each day, as well as taking 5000mg vitamin D with each dose of 
calcium, and the changes in our health have been miraculous.  I can highly 
recommend this way of keeping healthy to all.  Click Here to learn more about 
calcium's healing effects. 

Most importantly, it keeps the body in an alkaline state so that you cannot 
"catch" infectious diseases.  If we feel we may have been exposed to an 
infectious agent, we simply take electrically-generated colloidal silver which 
we make ourselves.  I highly recommend that you make it yourself and not buy it 
from a store, because you can't be sure what is in it when it is commercially 
prepared.  Making it yourself costs only pennies per gallon and then you know 
exactly what is in it because you've prepared it yourself.  We get our 
colloidal silver generators at http://www.colloidalsilvergens.com/ 

Most "authorities" say that there is no proof that colloidal silver has any 
curative value.  However, there HAVE been studies done, mostly in Europe, 
because the United States isn't interested in doing research on any product 
found in nature because no pharmaceutical company could patent a substance 
found in nature.  They can only patent a substance they can synthesize in the 
laboratory.   Since the 99.99% pure silver that we use to make colloidal s

CS>off topic posts

[noblemetals]

Mike- I KNOW I addressed my reply directly to Bob. I believe there are gremlins 
in my laptop-or is it Homeland Security?  Sorry, I will be Very careful from 
now on.   TJ


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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[Marshall Dudley]

You don't take CMO long term, it resets the immune system!  You take it
for a few days, 10 typically, and once it is reset, you simply wait for
the joints to repair themselves.  It took me about 3 months AFTER
stopping the CMO before my arthritis was completely gone.  Add that to
nutrients that assist in rebuilding the joints like MSM and Glucosamine
and Chondroitin Sulfate and it might take less time.

I would assume if you continued to reset the immune system over a long
period of time you would destroy it.

Marshall

"Medwith, Robert" wrote:

>  Forgot, where is cheapest place to buy CMO. It looks like I will be
> trying the CMO on a long term basis.   Bob

Re: CS>current regulating

[Dan Nave]

Buy the .91 or the 1.1 ma rated diode  instead of the 1.0 ma rated
diode.  
You will pay twice as much for the 1.0 ma rated diode.

Dan





>>> "S&JY"  3/1/2006 10:06:43 PM >>>
Mouser Electronics www.mouser.com/centralsemi.  You want a current
regulator
diode which you simply connect in series with one of the leads going to
an
electrode.  They come in various current ratings starting at 0.22 mA on
up
to 4.7 mA.  Some part part numbers are 610-1N52xx, where xx is 85 for
.27
ma, 91 for 0.56 ma, 94 for 0.75 ma, 97 for 1.0 ma and 99 for 1.2 ma. 
You
are better to go with less than one ma and let your generator run for
a
longer time; this yields smaller particles.  Cost is about $2.
--Steve Y.


- Original Message - 
From: "Max Sanders" 
To: "Silver-list" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: CS>current regulating


> I hope that no one minds my repost.  I did not receive an answer to
my
inquiry and I am quite sure the answer lies within these borders
>
> "I have been using with success a funky Silver generator that does
not
have current regulation.  I have come to use a magnetic stirrer for a
long
time now and that was a huge breakthru, then I added a voltage limiting
X10
unit that I have to push a button to adjust.  It works OK, but I have
never
added the current limiting diode that would keep the limit on my
system.
>
> I may even have received this info before and I know it's been
discussed
muchobut, what is the elec gizmo I need, where do I get it, and how
is
it installed?"
>
> Gracios,
>
> Maz
>
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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[sol]

Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for 
many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it 
is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them, 
I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases 
right on through the body.

There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer use.
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm

After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply 
decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky 
(aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and 
constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone 
ointments, etc.


In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals 
distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other 
thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS cookware.


sol

Jim Holmes wrote:

Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades.  


Will water from  a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
significant amount of nickel or iron in it?  


Jim

 




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Re: CS>The mass poisoning of humanity: an exploration of human stupidity

[Carol Ann]

And that soup called human stupidity has a very lnnng shelf live...probably 
no expiration date.  Where does FDA stand on this 

Susan  wrote: Yes!! Thanks for confirming my suspicions. 
Alas, we are living in a chemical soup.
   
  Susan

Romka M  wrote:
  

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http://www.newstarget.com/008511.html



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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 3/1/06 7:15:41 PM Central Standard Time, 
rus...@charter.net writes:


> Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I am 
> trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me

***We're switching to glassware and ceramic.  MA

Re: CS>Re:Price of Silver

[Arnold Beland]

- Original Message - 
Subject: Re: CS>Re:Price of Silver




Hi HRBE,

http://www.ccsilver.com/

Can anyone in the list tell me how much per ounce is the going price for 
99.99% silver?


CCsilver is a very good company to deal with.  I purchased my first silver 
wire from them many years ago and I was quite happy with their service.  At 
the time all that was available was 999 which is the reason that I started 
having my own  made.  I just checked their site and the total for 3 feet 
of #12 with shipping is $25.50, which seems reasonable.  At my own site 
www.atlasnova.com, the cost for the same thing is $22.00.  The price of 
silver is going up very rapidly.   I will be adjusting my pricing in a weeks 
time to put it more in line with CCsilver.  I have no desire to compete on 
the basis of price.


Best Regards,
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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[Acmeair]

try this guy.  he holds the patent on real cmo. he's active on this list

"T J Garland" 

jim



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   Bob




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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[Marshall Dudley]

Acmeair wrote:

> try this guy.  he holds the patent on real cmo.

Uh, I don't think so.

Marshall



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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Dan Nave]

What are you using for silverware?

Also, just don't use the aluminum for anything acidic.

Dan


>>> sol  3/2/2006 11:02:35 AM >>>

Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for

many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it

is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be
scoured.
Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them, 
I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just passes

right on through the body.
There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer
use.
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html 
And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm 

After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply 
decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky 
(aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and 
constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone 
ointments, etc.

In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals 
distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other

thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS
cookware.

sol
   


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CS>SS Cookware-Ni-Outgassing

[Craig C Chamberlin]

I have listened to this idea of Ni outgassing from SS for a long.  It is 
my humble opinion that it just doesn't make sense.  And, I haven't ever 
seen anyone offer proof of what is being said.


There are two main types of SS Austenitic, Martensitic. The others are 
specialized and not likely to be used in cookware.


Austenitic is *not* hardenable by heat treatment (usually 600-800F), but 
is workhardenable. Non-magnetic.  Usually what is used for cookware.


Austenitic or 300 series stainless steel is typically used for cookware 
(302/304 = 8/10.5% Ni).


Martensitic is hardenable by heat treatment.  With the exception of one 
grade (410S = 0.20/0.55% Ni), has NO nickel, but isn't generally used 
for cookware.  Magnetic.


Some additional facts:

Melting points:

Aluminum: 1220F
300 Series SS: 2550F
Nickel: 2647F

Now, being logical, if you are going to outgas a component of a SS 
allow, then you have to get the pan-food boundary temperature up to a 
high enough temperature to do that.  In my cooking experience, the 
highest temperature you could reasonably expect to achieve at the 
pan-food boundary would be ~400F using virgin coconut oil.  Probably 
~375F with peanut oil.


At those temperatures, the SS alloy isn't even close to being changed. 
If you want to have some effect on the SS, you are going to have to push 
the pan-food boundary temperature beyond the melting point of 
Aluminum..and if you were able to do that while cooking something, then 
the oil would ignite and all hell would break loose, not to mention the 
pan having a beautiful glowing deep red color.  And your food wouldn't 
taste very good either.


Even at the pan-heat boundary, if you were getting near temperatures 
which *might* have some effect on the SS alloy, you would find at 
minimum, your SS pan having turned blue.


I can smell un-seasoned cast iron, can't eat food cooked in it.  Same is 
true for un-seasoned aluminum.  If I touch brass, I have to wash my 
hands, the smell is nasty.  Same is true of aluminum, iron.  A new gold 
crown takes at least three months for me to stop tasting it, an amalgam 
filling, a year (don't do those anymore).


My point is, I am sensitive to metals and all I use are seasoned is SS, 
cast iron is too much trouble.  I am unable to smell or taste anything 
from SS, even after scouring it. Subjective, yes but I have seen nothing 
objective, yet.


I have checked the internet but find nothing.

So, if anyone out there has any kind of definitive test showing that Ni 
outgasses from SS alloy cookware, I would love to see it, but 
metallurgically it seems to me more like an urban legend.


Regards,

Craig


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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Jim Holmes]

Where does the metallic aluminum found in the brain in Alzheimer's brains
originate? 

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:03 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for 
many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it 
is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them, 
I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases 
right on through the body.
There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer use.
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm

After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply 
decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky 
(aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and 
constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone 
ointments, etc.

In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals 
distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other 
thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS cookware.

sol

Jim Holmes wrote:

>Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades.  
>
>Will water from  a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
>significant amount of nickel or iron in it?  
>
>Jim
>
>  
>


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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Jim Holmes]

I have heard rumored that those vision utensils are composed of a large
percentage of metal of some sort.  Does anyone know? 

 I have always cherished them, and have many that have not been broken. 

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Wendy [mailto:wen...@tuxnightclub.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Glass visionware pots are supposed to be ideal. Remember those? \They
come in rose or a brown colour and they are seethrough...all different
sizes. We have a bunch of them.Up until a few years ago you could
purchase a set of 3 at Canadian Tire for $25 Can. However then they
apparently quit making them... Upon further investigation it seems they
do still make them but apparently overseas, Chiina I think. I know that
here in Toronto you can pick them up starting at $6 each at the outlet
stores. One place says they get a shipment a few times a year.

I find mine at Goodwill, thrift stores and garage sales. My kids break
them a lot ;-) Last summer I found a huge glass fry pan that cooks an
awesome pot of rice and a dutch oven that works wonderfully for chicken!
It took me awhile to get my head around using glass and things do stick
sometimes especially if you use high heat but even a REALLY bad
stick/burn can be gotten out with boiling, baking soda, vinegar etc.

Reheating things is a challenge for us as we haven't used a microwave in
5 years and leftovers do stick so typically we just don't have left
overs ;-)

Wendy
Orillia
 

-Original Message-
From: Jeanne [mailto:rus...@charter.net] 
Sent: March 1, 2006 8:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I
am 
trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me,
Jen

 


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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[M. G. Devour]

What do you mean, Marshall? That's not a lot to go on.

> Acmeair wrote:
> > try this guy.  he holds the patent on real cmo.
> 
> Uh, I don't think so.
> 
> Marshall

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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Wendy]

I just read Dr. Hulda Clark's new book (after I sent the post about
visionware pots) 'The prevention of all cancers' and she indicates that
Glassware, canning jars, Teflon, toothbrushes, paper plates, plastic
ware, and 'good' china seep heavy metals, malonic acid and thallium.
Ceramic and enamelware also seep.

She indicates stainless steel, high density polyethylene (#2), zippered
plastic bags, and white Tupperware bowl in her picture do not seep.

Then somewhere else last week I read that stainless steel does seep and
that you could take distilled water and test it- then fill a stainless
steel pot up, leave it overnight and then test it the next day for TDS.

When I store the CS in the plastic distilled water jug it tastes funny
to me. I try to keep it in a glass gallon jug. 

Sigh... can't there just be an easy answer. my head hurts. ;-(

Wendy


-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: March 2, 2006 3:56 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

I have heard rumored that those vision utensils are composed of a large
percentage of metal of some sort.  Does anyone know? 

 I have always cherished them, and have many that have not been broken. 

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Wendy [mailto:wen...@tuxnightclub.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Glass visionware pots are supposed to be ideal. Remember those? \They
come in rose or a brown colour and they are seethrough...all different
sizes. We have a bunch of them.Up until a few years ago you could
purchase a set of 3 at Canadian Tire for $25 Can. However then they
apparently quit making them... Upon further investigation it seems they
do still make them but apparently overseas, Chiina I think. I know that
here in Toronto you can pick them up starting at $6 each at the outlet
stores. One place says they get a shipment a few times a year.

I find mine at Goodwill, thrift stores and garage sales. My kids break
them a lot ;-) Last summer I found a huge glass fry pan that cooks an
awesome pot of rice and a dutch oven that works wonderfully for chicken!
It took me awhile to get my head around using glass and things do stick
sometimes especially if you use high heat but even a REALLY bad
stick/burn can be gotten out with boiling, baking soda, vinegar etc.

Reheating things is a challenge for us as we haven't used a microwave in
5 years and leftovers do stick so typically we just don't have left
overs ;-)

Wendy
Orillia
 

-Original Message-
From: Jeanne [mailto:rus...@charter.net] 
Sent: March 1, 2006 8:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I
am 
trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me,
Jen

 


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Re: CS>SS Cookware-Ni-Outgassing

[M. G. Devour]

> So, if anyone out there has any kind of definitive test showing that Ni
> outgasses from SS alloy cookware, I would love to see it, but
> metallurgically it seems to me more like an urban legend.

If it is a problem, Craig, I think the proper realm of inquiry is 
chemistry, not metallurgy. You're not vaporizing the metal, just 
putting a lot of complex materials in contact with it at,  
metallurgically speaking, slightly elevated temperatures.

There's a *huge* difference between "outgassing" and "leaching."

Meanwhile, I also have not seen primary research material supporting 
this assertion. Of course I haven't looked for it, either.

Be well,

Mike D.

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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[M. G. Devour]

Wendy writes:
> Then somewhere else last week I read that stainless steel does seep and
> that you could take distilled water and test it- then fill a stainless
> steel pot up, leave it overnight and then test it the next day for TDS.

There's an easy way to misinterpret that experiment... Put a quantity 
of distilled water out in *any* container, and it'll increase in TDS 
reading (conductivity) as it absorbs CO2 from the air and makes 
carbonic acid.

Unless they did some careful control on that test, it would not be 
conclusive, I think.

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[V]

Hi Wendy,

Go an a raw food diet so no cookware is necessary

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl09.shtml



Take care,
 V


> I just read Dr. Hulda Clark's new book (after I sent the post about
> visionware pots) 'The prevention of all cancers' and she indicates that
> Glassware, canning jars, Teflon, toothbrushes, paper plates, plastic
> ware, and 'good' china seep heavy metals, malonic acid and thallium.
> Ceramic and enamelware also seep.

> She indicates stainless steel, high density polyethylene (#2), zippered
> plastic bags, and white Tupperware bowl in her picture do not seep.

> Then somewhere else last week I read that stainless steel does seep and
> that you could take distilled water and test it- then fill a stainless
> steel pot up, leave it overnight and then test it the next day for TDS.

> When I store the CS in the plastic distilled water jug it tastes funny
> to me. I try to keep it in a glass gallon jug. 

> Sigh... can't there just be an easy answer. my head hurts. ;-(

> Wendy


> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
> Sent: March 2, 2006 3:56 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

> I have heard rumored that those vision utensils are composed of a large
> percentage of metal of some sort.  Does anyone know? 

>  I have always cherished them, and have many that have not been broken. 

> Jim

> -Original Message-
> From: Wendy [mailto:wen...@tuxnightclub.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:46 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

> Glass visionware pots are supposed to be ideal. Remember those? \They
> come in rose or a brown colour and they are seethrough...all different
> sizes. We have a bunch of them.Up until a few years ago you could
> purchase a set of 3 at Canadian Tire for $25 Can. However then they
> apparently quit making them... Upon further investigation it seems they
> do still make them but apparently overseas, Chiina I think. I know that
> here in Toronto you can pick them up starting at $6 each at the outlet
> stores. One place says they get a shipment a few times a year.

> I find mine at Goodwill, thrift stores and garage sales. My kids break
> them a lot ;-) Last summer I found a huge glass fry pan that cooks an
> awesome pot of rice and a dutch oven that works wonderfully for chicken!
> It took me awhile to get my head around using glass and things do stick
> sometimes especially if you use high heat but even a REALLY bad
> stick/burn can be gotten out with boiling, baking soda, vinegar etc.

> Reheating things is a challenge for us as we haven't used a microwave in
> 5 years and leftovers do stick so typically we just don't have left
> overs ;-)

> Wendy
> Orillia
>  

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeanne [mailto:rus...@charter.net] 
> Sent: March 1, 2006 8:16 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

> Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I
> am 
> trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me,
> Jen

>  


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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Marshall Dudley]

Everywhere, aluminum is like the 3rd most common element or so in the earth's
crust.

Marshall

Jim Holmes wrote:

> Where does the metallic aluminum found in the brain in Alzheimer's brains
> originate?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update
>
> Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for
> many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it
> is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
> Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them,
> I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases
> right on through the body.
> There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer use.
> http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
> And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
> http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm
>
> After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply
> decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky
> (aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and
> constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone
> ointments, etc.
>
> In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals
> distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other
> thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS cookware.
>
> sol
>
> Jim Holmes wrote:
>
> >Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades.
> >
> >Will water from  a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
> >significant amount of nickel or iron in it?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
>
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CS>cookware

[Betsy Coffey]

Does anyone remember the old vision ware that used to
be popular? It was glassware and probably very safe
but you cant buy it anymore. The drawback to vision
ware was that it was so heavy and people with wrist
problems and arthritis had difficulties with it.

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Re: CS>SPAM filter.

[Karen Eck]

At 01:42 PM 2/27/2006, you wrote:
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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Craig C Chamberlin]

Hi Wendy,

That smooth surface on SS and glass only appears to be smooth.  At a 
microscopic level, there are many, many, many pits.  These pits are 
capable of holding small amounts of cooked stuff.  When you let the 
distilled water soak in the SS or even glass, it pulls these bits out.


If you want to prove it to yourself, do it for succeeding days, the tds 
levels should drop each day.


Let us know,

Best wishes for your head not to hurt,

Craig


I just read Dr. Hulda Clark's new book (after I sent the post about
visionware pots) 'The prevention of all cancers' and she indicates that
Glassware, canning jars, Teflon, toothbrushes, paper plates, plastic
ware, and 'good' china seep heavy metals, malonic acid and thallium.
Ceramic and enamelware also seep.

She indicates stainless steel, high density polyethylene (#2), zippered
plastic bags, and white Tupperware bowl in her picture do not seep.

Then somewhere else last week I read that stainless steel does seep and
that you could take distilled water and test it- then fill a stainless
steel pot up, leave it overnight and then test it the next day for TDS.

When I store the CS in the plastic distilled water jug it tastes funny
to me. I try to keep it in a glass gallon jug. 


Sigh... can't there just be an easy answer. my head hurts. ;-(

Wendy



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Re: CS>CS/toilet water

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The obvious solution?

Ice made with EIS.

(Forget the patent, you entrepreneurs, you;  it's in the public domain 
now!)


JBB


On Thursday, Mar 2, 2006, at 08:36 Asia/Tokyo, T J Garland wrote:



  The results: In four of the five restaurants, the 
ice that
came from the self-service machines had more bacteria than the toilet 
water,

reports Tampa Bay Online. Three of the five cups of ice from the
drive-through windows had more bacteria than the toilet water. The 
bacteria
in the ice included fecal coliform or E. coli, which can only come 
from the

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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The well-known Hulda Clarke claims that porcelain cookware is safest.   
 Perhaps it is true.  I don't know.



On Thursday, Mar 2, 2006, at 10:16 Asia/Tokyo, Jeanne wrote:

Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I 
am trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help 
me,  Jen



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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[V]

I use stainless but I let stuff bulid up on it not leaving clean shiny metal 
but oxidized and water stains etc.

Try this experiment in Stainless. take a scotchbrite and put some clean water 
in a SS pot and scrub with scotchbight, you will see the water turn dark from 
metal removed from pot. So I think that if one is not a clean nut with SS it 
colud be good. I clean it with a soft sponge and leave the discoloration on the 
metal most of the time.

And then you have to look at what percentage of SS is actually nickel. I think 
if somebady is nickel sensitiveu that they probably need to detox from all 
sorts of other thnigs. 




Take care,
 V


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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[cking001]

Very sensible!
Keep on keepin' on!

Chuck
Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once.

On 3/2/2006 12:02:35 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
>After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply 
>decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky 
>(aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and 
>constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone 
>ointments, etc.
>
>In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals 
>distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other 
>thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS cookware.
>
>sol


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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[cking001]

Yup, sometimes the worry is more detrimental than the problem.

There are no absolutes, go with what works for you.

Chuck
Don't cry because it's over;
 smile because it happened.

On 3/2/2006 4:58:28 PM, Wendy (wen...@tuxnightclub.com) wrote:
>I just read Dr. Hulda Clark's new book (after I sent the post about
>visionware pots) 'The prevention of all cancers' and she indicates that
>Glassware, canning jars, Teflon, toothbrushes, paper plates, plastic
>ware, and 'good' china seep heavy metals, malonic acid and thallium.
>Ceramic and enamelware also seep.
>
>She indicates stainless steel, high density polyethylene (#2), zippered
>plastic bags, and white Tupperware bowl in her picture do not seep.
>
>Then somewhere else last week I read that stainless steel does seep and
>that you could take distilled water and test it- then fill a stainless
>steel pot up, leave it overnight and then test it the next day for TDS.
>
>When I store the CS in the plastic distilled water jug it tastes funny
>to me. I try to keep it in a glass gallon jug. 
>
>Sigh... can't there just be an easy answer. my head hurts. ;-(
>
>Wendy


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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Deborah Gerard]

deoderant for one...

Marshall Dudley  wrote:  Everywhere, aluminum is like 
the 3rd most common element or so in the earth's
crust.

Marshall

Jim Holmes wrote:

> Where does the metallic aluminum found in the brain in Alzheimer's brains
> originate?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update
>
> Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for
> many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it
> is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
> Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them,
> I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases
> right on through the body.
> There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer use.
> http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
> And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
> http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm
>
> After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply
> decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky
> (aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and
> constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone
> ointments, etc.
>
> In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals
> distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other
> thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS cookware.
>
> sol
>
> Jim Holmes wrote:
>
> >Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades.
> >
> >Will water from a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
> >significant amount of nickel or iron in it?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Deborah Gerard]

real SILVER ware...

Dan Nave  wrote:  What are you using for 
silverware?

Also, just don't use the aluminum for anything acidic.

Dan


>>> sol 3/2/2006 11:02:35 AM >>>

Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for

many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it

is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be
scoured.
Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them, 
I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just passes

right on through the body.
There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer
use.
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html 
And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm 

After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply 
decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky 
(aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and 
constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone 
ointments, etc.

In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals 
distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other

thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS
cookware.

sol



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Re: CS>current regulating

[Dan Nave]

Well, I think there is a legitimate reason for the pricing.

The semiconductor devices are made physically and then tested to see 
what level they operate at.  You can try to make a 1.0 ma part but there 
will be a certain number at 1 ma and a lot of scatter around that value, 
both above and below.  If everyone wants the even number rated parts 
that leaves all the scatter parts begging.  They are lower price because 
they are not as desirable, but they don't want to just throw them out 
either...


Dan



M. G. Devour wrote:

Buy the .91 or the 1.1 ma rated diode  instead of the 1.0 ma rated
diode.  
You will pay twice as much for the 1.0 ma rated diode.



Yeah, I noticed that, too, Dan. 5 bucks for the even numbers like 1.0, 
2.0, 3.0... but only a couple of bucks for 2.2ma.


Clever pricing, that. Probably doubles their profits. In either case, 
it's not an expensive device.


Mike D.

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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Dan Nave]

Paul Oberdorf advertises some compound that is supposed to chelate 
nickel from the body.  He also claims that some people have found that 
it reverses baldness, from which they infer that male pattern baldness 
is a result of nickel concentrating in the scalp.  I've also heard this 
in relation to prostate enlargement (BPH) where nickel is supposed to 
concentrate in the prostate and attract bacteria which multiply and 
cause the problem.  Sounds possible since CS seems to help with BPH. 
The nickel chelator is also supposed to help with the prostate.


He also sells Colloidal Silver which may be where I first heard about it 
from.


His e-mail is:

paul...@attglobal.net

Paul Oberdorf, NMS Publishing
5711 14th Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11219
(718) 871-1363 fax: (718) 851-0208

Dan


sol wrote:
Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for 
many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it 
is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them, 
I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases 
right on through the body.
There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer 
use.

http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm

After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply 
decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky 
(aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and 
constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone 
ointments, etc.


In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals 
distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other 
thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS cookware.


sol

Jim Holmes wrote:

Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades. 
Will water from  a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
significant amount of nickel or iron in it? 
Jim


 




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Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[T J Garland]

I think poppy seeds chelate nickel.
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update


>
>
> Paul Oberdorf advertises some compound that is supposed to chelate
> nickel from the body.  He also claims that some people have found that
> it reverses baldness, from which they infer that male pattern baldness
> is a result of nickel concentrating in the scalp.  I've also heard this
> in relation to prostate enlargement (BPH) where nickel is supposed to
> concentrate in the prostate and attract bacteria which multiply and
> cause the problem.  Sounds possible since CS seems to help with BPH.
> The nickel chelator is also supposed to help with the prostate.
>
> He also sells Colloidal Silver which may be where I first heard about it
> from.
>
> His e-mail is:
>
> paul...@attglobal.net
>
> Paul Oberdorf, NMS Publishing
> 5711 14th Ave.
> Brooklyn, NY 11219
> (718) 871-1363 fax: (718) 851-0208
>
> Dan
>
>
> sol wrote:
> > Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for
> > many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it
> > is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
> > Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them,
> > I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases
> > right on through the body.
> > There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer
> > use.
> > http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
> > And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
> > http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm
> >
> > After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply
> > decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky
> > (aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and
> > constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone
> > ointments, etc.
> >
> > In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals
> > distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other
> > thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS
cookware.
> >
> > sol
> >
> > Jim Holmes wrote:
> >
> >> Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades.
> >> Will water from  a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
> >> significant amount of nickel or iron in it?
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: CS>Knees / CMO

[Deborah Gerard]

Marshall is there a website that you learned all this info from this is very 
interesting to me since I am fifty five and am really concerned about joints 
have anything that I could read on the subject to share also with aging parents 
who are in alot of pain as well...thanks deb

Marshall Dudley  wrote:  You don't take CMO long term, 
it resets the immune system!  You take it for a few days, 10 typically, and 
once it is reset, you simply wait for the joints to repair themselves.  It took 
me about 3 months AFTER stopping the CMO before my arthritis was completely 
gone.  Add that to nutrients that assist in rebuilding the joints like MSM and 
Glucosamine and Chondroitin Sulfate and it might take less time.   I would 
assume if you continued to reset the immune system over a long period of time 
you would destroy it.   Marshall   "Medwith, Robert" wrote:Forgot, where is 
cheapest place to buy CMO. It looks like I will be trying the CMO on a long 
term basis.   Bob

RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Jim Holmes]

That matches my conclusion. 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

The well-known Hulda Clarke claims that porcelain cookware is safest.   
  Perhaps it is true.  I don't know.


On Thursday, Mar 2, 2006, at 10:16 Asia/Tokyo, Jeanne wrote:

> Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I 
> am trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help 
> me,  Jen


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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Jim Holmes]

When a headache is just not enough, read Matrix III, for a full head job. 

-Original Message-
From: Wendy [mailto:wen...@tuxnightclub.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:58 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

I just read Dr. Hulda Clark's new book (after I sent the post about
visionware pots) 'The prevention of all cancers' and she indicates that
Glassware, canning jars, Teflon, toothbrushes, paper plates, plastic
ware, and 'good' china seep heavy metals, malonic acid and thallium.
Ceramic and enamelware also seep.

She indicates stainless steel, high density polyethylene (#2), zippered
plastic bags, and white Tupperware bowl in her picture do not seep.

Then somewhere else last week I read that stainless steel does seep and
that you could take distilled water and test it- then fill a stainless
steel pot up, leave it overnight and then test it the next day for TDS.

When I store the CS in the plastic distilled water jug it tastes funny
to me. I try to keep it in a glass gallon jug. 

Sigh... can't there just be an easy answer. my head hurts. ;-(

Wendy


-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: March 2, 2006 3:56 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

I have heard rumored that those vision utensils are composed of a large
percentage of metal of some sort.  Does anyone know? 

 I have always cherished them, and have many that have not been broken. 

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Wendy [mailto:wen...@tuxnightclub.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Glass visionware pots are supposed to be ideal. Remember those? \They
come in rose or a brown colour and they are seethrough...all different
sizes. We have a bunch of them.Up until a few years ago you could
purchase a set of 3 at Canadian Tire for $25 Can. However then they
apparently quit making them... Upon further investigation it seems they
do still make them but apparently overseas, Chiina I think. I know that
here in Toronto you can pick them up starting at $6 each at the outlet
stores. One place says they get a shipment a few times a year.

I find mine at Goodwill, thrift stores and garage sales. My kids break
them a lot ;-) Last summer I found a huge glass fry pan that cooks an
awesome pot of rice and a dutch oven that works wonderfully for chicken!
It took me awhile to get my head around using glass and things do stick
sometimes especially if you use high heat but even a REALLY bad
stick/burn can be gotten out with boiling, baking soda, vinegar etc.

Reheating things is a challenge for us as we haven't used a microwave in
5 years and leftovers do stick so typically we just don't have left
overs ;-)

Wendy
Orillia
 

-Original Message-
From: Jeanne [mailto:rus...@charter.net] 
Sent: March 1, 2006 8:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Teflon is toxic, now aluminum, what can you cook with that is safe?  I
am 
trying to make a change and cant find anything safe.  Please help me,
Jen

 


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RE: CS>SS Cookware-Ni-Outgassing

[Jim Holmes]

What is the toxic dose of Ni in drinking water? 

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>SS Cookware-Ni-Outgassing

> So, if anyone out there has any kind of definitive test showing that Ni
> outgasses from SS alloy cookware, I would love to see it, but
> metallurgically it seems to me more like an urban legend.

If it is a problem, Craig, I think the proper realm of inquiry is 
chemistry, not metallurgy. You're not vaporizing the metal, just 
putting a lot of complex materials in contact with it at,  
metallurgically speaking, slightly elevated temperatures.

There's a *huge* difference between "outgassing" and "leaching."

Meanwhile, I also have not seen primary research material supporting 
this assertion. Of course I haven't looked for it, either.

Be well,

Mike D.

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RE: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

[Jim Holmes]

But in nature, it is in a completely oxidized state.  Where does the
metallic Al in the brain come from? 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update

Everywhere, aluminum is like the 3rd most common element or so in the
earth's
crust.

Marshall

Jim Holmes wrote:

> Where does the metallic aluminum found in the brain in Alzheimer's brains
> originate?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel cookware-nickel allergy update
>
> Not everyone agrees that aluminum is toxic. I bought into that idea for
> many years, but now I've gone back to the old Adelle Davis idea that it
> is stainless steel that can be toxic, if it has ever had to be scoured.
> Anodized aluminum is what I have now, but if I could have found them,
> I'd have plain aluminum. Adelle Davis always said aluminum just pases
> right on through the body.
> There is some interesting info linking some of this stuff to fertilizer
use.
> http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/alzheimers.html
> And some mineral imbalances may even be responsible for mad cow:
> http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadprion.htm
>
> After years of living with allergic skin reactions, I have simply
> decided for me, I'd rather do something that may or may not be risky
> (aluminum cookware) than continue on in constant skin rashes and
> constant heavy antihistamine use, and even having to use cortisone
> ointments, etc.
>
> In the case of distilling, I just don't know. Wouldn't any metals
> distill out and be left behind? As I see it distilling is a whole other
> thing than metals leaching into foods/liquids heated/cooked in SS
cookware.
>
> sol
>
> Jim Holmes wrote:
>
> >Stainless steel comes in a variety of grades.
> >
> >Will water from  a stainless still that reads about 0.4 PPM TDS have a
> >significant amount of nickel or iron in it?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
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