Re: [Simh] SimH and multi-core host processors

2015-07-16 Thread lists
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:01:49 -0700
Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm m...@infocomm.com wrote:

 On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, li...@openmailbox.org wrote:
  On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:21:20 -0700
  Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm m...@infocomm.com wrote:
  
   Simh v3.8-1 did not detect idle for OpenBSD operating systems.  The
   latest github codebase does.  Throttling will probably not be
   necessary anywhere.
  
  Oh that is great news. When will this hit release? Or does that concept
  not apply? I know it's been a while since the last official release.
 
 Given the fact that the current code state is visible to all in the
 github repo, the need for formal releases is significantly lessened.

Yes, I was thinking maybe the concept of an official release didn't apply
but I wanted to ask because I didn't know whether the development sources
were subject to breakage or not. You clarified that:

 The current code is in the best state almost all of the time.

Great news. I'll use that from now on then.

 Issues raised in the github issue system
 (https://github.com/simh/simh/issues) or here on the simh list often are
 fixed quickly and the best code is then available to all.

Thanks to you and everybody working on and contributing to SIMH. It's one
of the few truly portable pieces of code I've seen in a while!

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Re: [Simh] vector images

2015-07-16 Thread pigi

Il 16/07/2015 01:12, Kevin Handy ha scritto:

I was curious about the vector imges (for altairz80), but the only copy I
can find is in a Microsoft install format. However, I don't have a spare
windows machine to try unpacking this on. Anyone have copies that are not
embedded in a Microsoft install file?
I tried extracting them from the file, but ended up with a large number of
files with horrible names and no way to translate them.


I'm not sure of what you mean with vector images (for altairz80) but 
perhaps a look on Mr. Schorn itself's page on altairz80 can help, for 
example, at the end of this one:



http://schorn.ch/altair_5.php


Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.


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Re: [Simh] DEC floppy disk interleave questions

2015-07-16 Thread Alan Frisbie

On 07/16/2015 05:40 AM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher wrote:

 if you want to image your disks and floppies for use with simh,
 there's an easy way to do it.  All you need is a (Micro-)VAX
 having the appropriate drive(s) running VMS.
 MOUNT/FOREIGN device-name
 COPY/LOG device-name yourimagename.img
 DISMOUNT device-name
 Don't worry about the error message at the end of the COPY process
 - that's normal, just that copy discovers the end of media.
 You get an image containing all the blocks of your device in
 logical order - VMS will take care of the device details.

That sounds like the really easy way to do it.   Does it copy
track 0 of RX01/02 floppies?

I finally got a MicroVAX 3300 up and running again.   Most of
my RF3x drives seem to have died while in storage.  Now I have
to see if any of the RX02 drives will still work.

 Will you make your images available?

Absolutely!   I'm still working on the 9-track tapes, after a
several-week pause due to my Alpha XP1000 dying and me taking
time out for a couple of all-weekend endurance races (24 Hours
of LeMons -- the fruit, not the town in France).

I plan to put all my DEC media images on CDs so I can easily
make copies.   Each tape/floppy image will be accompanied by a
text file with the label and other information, and a .JPG photo
of the media and label.   I've done about 300 tapes so far, of
which 82 are DEC.   I have another 300 or so to do.   I should
be done in a couple of months.

Alan Frisbie
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Re: [Simh] DEC floppy disk interleave questions

2015-07-16 Thread Armistead, Jason BIS
Dying RFxx disks might be due to failure of FLASH memory in the controllers 
(either onboard the CPU or external chips).  The charge in the memory cells in 
FLASH memory chips doesn't last forever, and slowly bleeds away.  Early devices 
could fail after 10 years.  Newer FLASH parts are better, but the lifetime is 
not infinite like it was with PROMs/EPROMs.

The folks at CMU and LSI Corp wrote a good article about this:

http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~omutlu/pub/flash-memory-data-retention_hpca15.pdf

And to Alan's floppy archiving plans - Just remember to regularly refresh 
your CD collection.  Those CD-R disks don't last forever either!  If it was me, 
I'd be creating at least two copies.

Cheers
Jason

-Original Message-
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Ulrich 
Hölscher
Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2015 9:16 AM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: [Simh] DEC floppy disk interleave questions


   if you want to image your disks and floppies for use with simh,   
 there's an easy way to do it.  All you need is a (Micro-)VAX   having 
 the appropriate drive(s) running VMS.
   MOUNT/FOREIGN
   COPY/LOG  yourimagename.img
   DISMOUNT
   Don't worry about the error message at the end of the COPY process  
  - that's normal, just that copy discovers the end of media.
   You get an image containing all the blocks of your device in   
 logical order - VMS will take care of the device details.

 That sounds like the really easy way to do it.   Does it copy
 track 0 of RX01/02 floppies?

Every bit that is readable normally from VMS, hiding only strange sector orders 
and bad block information.
Images from bootable devices are bootable within simh (as long as there's a 
suitable bootable simh device)


 I finally got a MicroVAX 3300 up and running again.   Most of
 my RF3x drives seem to have died while in storage.  Now I have to see 
 if any of the RX02 drives will still work.

So are my RF3xs :-((
My DSSI-VAXen run on HSD coupled RZ disks in BA350 boxes now.


   Will you make your images available?

 Absolutely!   I'm still working on the 9-track tapes, after a
 several-week pause due to my Alpha XP1000 dying and me taking time out 
 for a couple of all-weekend endurance races (24 Hours of LeMons -- the 
 fruit, not the town in France).

 I plan to put all my DEC media images on CDs so I can easily
 make copies.   Each tape/floppy image will be accompanied by a
 text file with the label and other information, and a .JPG photo
 of the media and label.   I've done about 300 tapes so far, of
 which 82 are DEC.   I have another 300 or so to do.   I should
 be done in a couple of months.


I'm very keen on your software pool, many thanks for preserving it!

As you probably know I'm mainly after old VMS software (everything pre VMS V5)
 

Regards

Ulli




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Re: [Simh] DEC floppy disk interleave questions

2015-07-16 Thread Leo Broukhis
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 07:53:44 -0700,  Alan Frisbie
fris...@flying-disk.com wrote:

 On 07/16/2015 05:40 AM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher wrote:

   if you want to image your disks and floppies for use with simh,
   there's an easy way to do it.  All you need is a (Micro-)VAX
   having the appropriate drive(s) running VMS.
   MOUNT/FOREIGN device-name
   COPY/LOG device-name yourimagename.img
   DISMOUNT device-name
   Don't worry about the error message at the end of the COPY process
   - that's normal, just that copy discovers the end of media.
   You get an image containing all the blocks of your device in
   logical order - VMS will take care of the device details.

 That sounds like the really easy way to do it.   Does it copy
 track 0 of RX01/02 floppies?

I had some experience with RX01/02 floppies when reviving LSX using
logical copies of the disks. Track 0 will be logically at the very
end. The problem is with media size 256256: if the logical block size
is 512,  two physical 128-byte sectors (the boot sectors) will be
lost, and the logical copy will be 256000 bytes long.

Leo
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Re: [Simh] vector images

2015-07-16 Thread Dennis Boone
  Many companies builf computers that  used this operating system, like
  the altair, imsai, osborne, kaypro, and vector graPhics to name a
  few.  Many years later, the rimh altairz80 emulator was written with
  the abiliry ro emulate the vector graphic machines, but the only copy
  of the necessary config and disk images was wrapped up in a miceosoft
  install file called setup.msi.

1. Vector Graphic, no s.

2. Most of the stuff in the altairz80 kits is probably available from
vector-archive.org.

De
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Re: [Simh] vector images

2015-07-16 Thread khandy21yo
Long ago, there was an ooerating system for intel 8080 based machines called 
cpm.
Many companies builf computers that  used this operating system, like the 
altair, imsai, osborne, kaypro, and vector graPhics to name a few.
Many years later, the rimh altairz80 emulator was written with the abiliry ro 
emulate the vector graphic machines, but the only copy of the necessary config 
and disk images  was wrapped up in a miceosoft install file called setup.msi.
This file format requires a microsoft windoes setup to extract the files into a 
ubable form, whike installing many extra libraries ans applications sure to 
render your windiws machine unusable. 
What I would like is to get the disk images and config files witgout 
sacrificing a windows machine, which I would gave to borroe ftom an 
unsuspecting victim.
The install file setup.msi was found by following the instructions in the 
altairz80 manual.



 Original message 
From pigi dott.piergior...@gmail.com 
Date: 07/16/2015  1:56 AM  (GMT-07:00) 
To simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject Re: [Simh] vector images 
 
Il 16/07/2015 01:12, Kevin Handy ha scritto:
 I was curious about the vector imges (for altairz80), but the only copy I
 can find is in a Microsoft install format. However, I don't have a spare
 windows machine to try unpacking this on. Anyone have copies that are not
 embedded in a Microsoft install file?
 I tried extracting them from the file, but ended up with a large number of
 files with horrible names and no way to translate them.

I'm not sure of what you mean with vector images (for altairz80) but 
perhaps a look on Mr. Schorn itself's page on altairz80 can help, for 
example, at the end of this one:

 http://schorn.ch/altair_5.php

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.


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