[Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6

2016-02-01 Thread Will Senn 

Hi,

Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11? 
Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and 
the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D 
will exit though, which is better than the alternative).


This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip

Thanks,

Will
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Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6

2016-02-01 Thread Tom Morris 
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Will Senn  wrote:

> Oops. CTRL-C. Is there a better way?
>
> > On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Johnny Billquist  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-02-02 00:33, Will Senn wrote:
> >
> > ^D to exit??? Are you sure? That just sounds so unlikely.
>


> Oops. CTRL-C. Is there a better way?
>

 Historically, for DEC gear, I think ctrl/Z would be a more likely terminal
EOF signal, while ctrl/C would be interpreted as an interrupt.

Tom
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Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6

2016-02-01 Thread Will Senn 
Oops. CTRL-C. Is there a better way? 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Johnny Billquist  wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-02-02 00:33, Will Senn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11?
>> Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and
>> the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D
>> will exit though, which is better than the alternative).
>> 
>> This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed:
>> ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip
> 
> ^D to exit??? Are you sure? That just sounds so unlikely.
> 
> Apart from that, I have no idea where any manuals might be found. As for how 
> to use it, it should have installed some HELP files, at least. Have you tried 
> HELP PAS?
> 
>Johnny
> 
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Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6

2016-02-01 Thread Johnny Billquist 

On 2016-02-02 00:33, Will Senn wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11?
Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and
the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D
will exit though, which is better than the alternative).

This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip


^D to exit??? Are you sure? That just sounds so unlikely.

Apart from that, I have no idea where any manuals might be found. As for 
how to use it, it should have installed some HELP files, at least. Have 
you tried HELP PAS?


Johnny

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Re: [Simh] [Announce] Emacs 21.2 for VMS/VAX

2016-02-01 Thread Ken Cornetet 
For many years, MicroEmacs was my favorite editor, and I still fire up the 
windows version on occasion when I need to do some complicated substitutions on 
text.

Sadly, Dan Lawrence, the author of MicroEmacs 4 passed away several years ago. 
No one picked up support for his version. MicroEmacs 3.8 was forked by an 
outfit called jasspa. It was improved and the license changed to GPL. I don't 
see VMS listed as supported, though.

As far a MicroEmacs not being good for coding, interesting bit of trivia: 
MicroEmacs was the only editor on Linus Torvalds' systems for a long time.

-Original Message-
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of 
li...@openmailbox.org
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:52 AM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: [Simh] [Announce] Emacs 21.2 for VMS/VAX

Hopefully the following information will be of some interest and value to 
people running VMS/VAX on SIMH.

Because of keyboard issues I found the native VMS editors to be difficult to 
use. I have been using Emacs for a long time on other platforms so I went 
looking for a copy to run on VMS/VAX but couldn't find a binary. I don't have 
the skills or tools to build Emacs from source on VMS/VAX.

I have been using MicroEmacs 4.0 which is stable and runs very well on a low 
spec SIMH host. However the features are minimal bordering on spartan.
It's not a very good editor for coding and seems to be relatively unsupported 
although old builds are available for VMS/VAX. An appeal for help on the 
post-fork MicroEmacs mailing list yielded thundering silence.

I brought up the issue on comp.os.mvs and one of the guys spent some time 
getting gnu Emacs 21.2 working. There were a few problems initially but he 
seems to have gotten it working. The performance on a low spec SIMH host is 
unacceptable but on a reasonably modern PC it works great.

With the permission of the developer who built and got it working, I am 
reposting the info from comp.os.vms here. Many thanks to hb  
for his generosity in making this available.

Any issues, discussion, etc. please follow up to comp.os.vms on usenet.

---
I uploaded emacs21_2_vax.zip to https://www.sendspace.com/file/byw8z7.
Feel free to announce it on any other mailing list and/or copy the zip archive 
to a VMS specific archive/repository.

--- 8< ---

This is the readme file of the emacs kit for VAX: emacs21_2_vax.zip.

GNU Emacs 21.2 for VAX/VMS

Contents of emacs21_2_vax.zip:

emacs21_2_vax.txt - this file
emacs-vax-bin.txt - how to use the binary kit emacs-vax-build.txt - how to 
build emacs from the sources emacs21_2_vax_bin.zip - the binary kit 
emacs21_2_vax_src.zip - VAX specific files for building emacs

The binary kit was built on V7.3 without support for TCPIP and X11:
$ @[-.emacs212_3]configure --with-tcpip=NO --with-x=NO --WITH-X-TOOLKIT=NO -
--prefix=bld_root:[LOCAL] --startupdir=bld_root:[LOCAL.STARTUP]

Building for any other configuration may require additional source code 
changes. The supplied VAX specific sources are not intended to be compiled on 
other VMS platforms. Some of the files may be seen as hacks to get emacs 
running on VAX/VMS. The base source code for emacs is not included in this kit. 
The base source code is a VMS version based on emacs version 21.2. The source 
code can be found on the OpenVMS freeware CD version V8.0: emacs/emacs21_2.zip. 
These sources are for building emacs for Alpha. This zip archive contains 
temporary files, which are not required for the build, as well as an Alpha 
executable image.
Unfortunately these sources were not found in the emacs git repository on 
savannah.gnu.org.

Please note, officially the support for VMS was removed in Emacs 23.
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Re: [Simh] [Announce] Emacs 21.2 for VMS/VAX

2016-02-01 Thread khandy21yo 
I always found emacs a bit of a pain on VMS because of its reliance on control 
characters. If Control/s didnt get caught by the OS, the terminal server would 
grab it.

 Original message 
From Ken Cornetet  
Date: 02/01/2016  6:50 AM  (GMT-07:00) 
To simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject Re: [Simh] [Announce] Emacs 21.2 for VMS/VAX 
 
For many years, MicroEmacs was my favorite editor, and I still fire up the 
windows version on occasion when I need to do some complicated substitutions on 
text.

Sadly, Dan Lawrence, the author of MicroEmacs 4 passed away several years ago. 
No one picked up support for his version. MicroEmacs 3.8 was forked by an 
outfit called jasspa. It was improved and the license changed to GPL. I don't 
see VMS listed as supported, though.

As far a MicroEmacs not being good for coding, interesting bit of trivia: 
MicroEmacs was the only editor on Linus Torvalds' systems for a long time.

-Original Message-
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of 
li...@openmailbox.org
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:52 AM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: [Simh] [Announce] Emacs 21.2 for VMS/VAX

Hopefully the following information will be of some interest and value to 
people running VMS/VAX on SIMH.

Because of keyboard issues I found the native VMS editors to be difficult to 
use. I have been using Emacs for a long time on other platforms so I went 
looking for a copy to run on VMS/VAX but couldn't find a binary. I don't have 
the skills or tools to build Emacs from source on VMS/VAX.

I have been using MicroEmacs 4.0 which is stable and runs very well on a low 
spec SIMH host. However the features are minimal bordering on spartan.
It's not a very good editor for coding and seems to be relatively unsupported 
although old builds are available for VMS/VAX. An appeal for help on the 
post-fork MicroEmacs mailing list yielded thundering silence.

I brought up the issue on comp.os.mvs and one of the guys spent some time 
getting gnu Emacs 21.2 working. There were a few problems initially but he 
seems to have gotten it working. The performance on a low spec SIMH host is 
unacceptable but on a reasonably modern PC it works great.

With the permission of the developer who built and got it working, I am 
reposting the info from comp.os.vms here. Many thanks to hb  
for his generosity in making this available.

Any issues, discussion, etc. please follow up to comp.os.vms on usenet.

---
I uploaded emacs21_2_vax.zip to https://www.sendspace.com/file/byw8z7.
Feel free to announce it on any other mailing list and/or copy the zip archive 
to a VMS specific archive/repository.

--- 8< ---

This is the readme file of the emacs kit for VAX: emacs21_2_vax.zip.

GNU Emacs 21.2 for VAX/VMS

Contents of emacs21_2_vax.zip:

emacs21_2_vax.txt - this file
emacs-vax-bin.txt - how to use the binary kit emacs-vax-build.txt - how to 
build emacs from the sources emacs21_2_vax_bin.zip - the binary kit 
emacs21_2_vax_src.zip - VAX specific files for building emacs

The binary kit was built on V7.3 without support for TCPIP and X11:
$ @[-.emacs212_3]configure --with-tcpip=NO --with-x=NO --WITH-X-TOOLKIT=NO -
    --prefix=bld_root:[LOCAL] --startupdir=bld_root:[LOCAL.STARTUP]

Building for any other configuration may require additional source code 
changes. The supplied VAX specific sources are not intended to be compiled on 
other VMS platforms. Some of the files may be seen as hacks to get emacs 
running on VAX/VMS. The base source code for emacs is not included in this kit. 
The base source code is a VMS version based on emacs version 21.2. The source 
code can be found on the OpenVMS freeware CD version V8.0: emacs/emacs21_2.zip. 
These sources are for building emacs for Alpha. This zip archive contains 
temporary files, which are not required for the build, as well as an Alpha 
executable image.
Unfortunately these sources were not found in the emacs git repository on 
savannah.gnu.org.

Please note, officially the support for VMS was removed in Emacs 23.
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Re: [Simh] Interdata OS/32 - adding disks

2016-02-01 Thread Davis Johnson 
It doesn't jump out at me - the A009 status is device unavailable (a0) 
device not responding on bus (09).


My current SIMH system is down at the moment. If you have configured and 
attached the new disks like the existing one I don't know.


Your configuration may not be legal in the physical world.

The 40mb drive was an older oddball. I'm not as familiar with them. They 
may use the same controller as the 2.5 and 5 mb drives.


The 67 & 256 mb disks were contemporaries. They were SMD drives from CDC 
and everybody (including DEC) sold them.


There were two SMD controllers, older "MSM" and newer "IDC". The IDC 
controller relaxed some of the restrictions on mixing drives in the same 
string.


Try configuring multiple identical disks. I know that I've done that 
with SIMH.


On 2/1/2016 11:44 AM, Don Stalkowski wrote:

I tried adding a couple of large disks by creating a new configuration
file from OS32MTS1.SYS and changing the following lines:

41DSC3:,FC,52,SELCH=F0,CONTR=FB* 40-MB DISK (REMOVEABLE)
42DSC4:,FC,53,SELCH=F0,CONTR=FB* 67-MB DISK (REMOVEABLE)
43DSC5:,FC,54,SELCH=F0,CONTR=FB*256-MB DISK (REMOVEABLE)

to

41DSC3:,FD,54,SELCH=F0,CONTR=FB*256-MB DISK (REMOVEABLE)
42DSC4:,FC,53,SELCH=F0,CONTR=FB* 67-MB DISK (REMOVEABLE)
43DSC5:,FE,53,SELCH=F0,CONTR=FB* 67-MB DISK (REMOVEABLE)

The change is the device addresses and types in lines 41 and 43.

The sysgen went ok and when I load the new OS, "D D" shows DSC3 and
DSC5 on the new addresses.

However, when I try to initialize DSC5 I get:

sim> set dm1 msm80
sim> att dm1 dm1.dsk
sim> c
L FASTCHEK
TSKID = FASTCHEK
*ST ,INIT=DSC5:,VOL=USR,LI=CON:
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:PERKIN-ELMER OS/32 FASTCHEK 03-344 R00-04
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:INITIALIZE DSC5:  MODE = NOREADCHECK WITH WRITERECOV
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:VOLUME USRDIRECTORY FOR 640 FILES AT CYLINDE
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:I/O ERROR ON LU 1 DSC5: FUNC=4C RAND=
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:STATUS=A009 DEVICE UNAVAILABLE
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:WHILE ACCESSING VOLUME DESCRIPTOR
*11:25:47   FASTCHEK:END OF TASK10

When I try DSC3 I get:

*Simulation stopped, PC: 22CBA (BAL R12,19084)
sim> set dm2 msm300
sim> att dm2 dm2.dsk
sim> c
L FASTCHEK
TSKID = FASTCHEK
*ST ,INIT=DSC3:,VOL=USR,LI=CON:

; lots of output...

*11:26:47   FASTCHEK:DEFECTIVE SECTOR AT 0014FF  (CHS=004/07/3F) STATUS 8
*11:26:47   FASTCHEK:DEFECTIVE SECTOR AT 001500  (CHS=004/08/00) STATUS 8
*11:26:47   FASTCHEK:DEFECTIVE SECTOR LIST OVERFLOW AFTER 5056 FOUND
*11:26:47   FASTCHEK:END OF TASK22
*

Any suggestions?

Thanks, Don

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