Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)

[khandy21yo]

Linux works as a host for xterm  fairly well, depending on the terminal. It can 
also be used as an xterm I also offers  a pc.
To start a window manager on a remote xterm  setenv DISPLAY xterm:0.0   mwm &
Using Linux as an xterm usually requires enabling remote access, as most 
versions of Linux consider remote access as a severe security problem. Usually 
requires editing 4 or so configuration files.

 Original message From: Robert Thomas  Date: 
11/14/16  7:34 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] 
XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT) 
We serve X-Windows from SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3.  There are many flavors of 
X-servers that work.  The most challenging part of using such is getting 
networking to work on SIMH/Vax. Our experience is under Windows: 1) EXCURSION 
(DEC provided with VMS V7 through V7.3 on the Pathworks disk – can be installed 
on its own requiring no special privileges or registry setting).  Provides a 
simple X-server.2) MobaXterm3) Xming4) vcxsrv5) Cygwin-x All of the above are 
free and work with some issues.  EXCURSION is color limited and does not 
properly support plane masks. MobaCterm, Xming, vcxsrv, and Cygwin-X are all 
implementation of XORG’s x-server.  They do not fully support PC keyboards 
emulating LK405 keyboards, i.e. VT400 emulation.  The numeric keypad and 
functions keys are not fully mapped.  Additionally not all of the 
DECwindows/Motif fonts are available.  These are identical to most of the LINUX 
X-Servers. All of the above support local window managers with various modes of 
operation (All in one windows, multiple windows, etc.) as well as a remote 
window manager, e.g. DECwindows/Motif. It is easy to start up a DECterm or the 
DECWindows/Motif CDE.  The steps are to: 1) Start the X-server on your 
workstation/PC allowing connections from the desired clients.2) Log into the 
VMS system using either the mechanism within the X-server environment or 
putty.3) Create a display to the X-server:   $ set 
display/create/trans=tcpip/perm/node=4) To start the CDE 
(DECwindows/Motif window manager):   $ @cde$path:xsession    To 
start a DECterm:   $ create/term/detach We are evaluating EXCEED as 
an x-server.  So far it has full functionality turning a PC into a full 
function X-server, i.e. like having a Vaxstation or Alphastation on your PC.  
Its only drawback so far is its cost being over $500 per seat. BTW:  All of the 
above work on Windows even in Windows virtual machines. Sincerely,Robert F. 
Thomas 44 Industrial Way 
Norwood, MA USA 02062
(  Office Phone - (781) 329-9200
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Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)

[Wilm Boerhout]

eXcursion for Windows is not free. It was licensed as part of the 
Pathworks Client License. But -apart from me, obviously- knows that 
nowadays? And who is alive to hunt license violations. Still...

*
**/Wilm*

Robert Thomas schreef op 14-11-2016 om 15:34:


We serve X-Windows from SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3.  There are many 
flavors of X-servers that work.  The most challenging part of using 
such is getting networking to work on SIMH/Vax. Our experience is 
under Windows:


1) EXCURSION (DEC provided with VMS V7 through V7.3 on the Pathworks 
disk – can be installed on its own requiring no special privileges or 
registry setting). Provides a simple X-server.


2) MobaXterm

3) Xming

4) vcxsrv

5) Cygwin-x

All of the above are free and work with some issues.  EXCURSION is 
color limited and does not properly support plane masks.


MobaCterm, Xming, vcxsrv, and Cygwin-X are all implementation of 
XORG’s x-server.  They do not fully support PC keyboards emulating 
LK405 keyboards, i.e. VT400 emulation.  The numeric keypad and 
functions keys are not fully mapped.  Additionally not all of the 
DECwindows/Motif fonts are available.  These are identical to most of 
the LINUX X-Servers.


All of the above support local window managers with various modes of 
operation (All in one windows, multiple windows, etc.) as well as a 
remote window manager, e.g. DECwindows/Motif.


It is easy to start up a DECterm or the DECWindows/Motif CDE.  The 
steps are to:


1) Start the X-server on your workstation/PC allowing connections from 
the desired clients.


2) Log into the VMS system using either the mechanism within the 
X-server environment or putty.


3) Create a display to the X-server:

   $ set display/create/trans=tcpip/perm/node=

4) To start the CDE (DECwindows/Motif window manager):

   $ @cde$path:xsession

To start a DECterm:

   $ create/term/detach

We are evaluating EXCEED as an x-server. So far it has full 
functionality turning a PC into a full function X-server, i.e. like 
having a Vaxstation or Alphastation on your PC.  Its only drawback so 
far is its cost being over $500 per seat.


BTW:  All of the above work on Windows even in Windows virtual machines.

Sincerely,

Robert F. Thomas

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44 Industrial Way
Norwood, MA USA 02062
(Office Phone - (781) 329-9200
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Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)

[Robert Thomas]

We serve X-Windows from SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3.  There are many flavors of
X-servers that work.  The most challenging part of using such is getting
networking to work on SIMH/Vax. Our experience is under Windows:

 

1) EXCURSION (DEC provided with VMS V7 through V7.3 on the Pathworks disk -
can be installed on its own requiring no special privileges or registry
setting).  Provides a simple X-server.

2) MobaXterm

3) Xming

4) vcxsrv

5) Cygwin-x

 

All of the above are free and work with some issues.  EXCURSION is color
limited and does not properly support plane masks.

 

MobaCterm, Xming, vcxsrv, and Cygwin-X are all implementation of XORG's
x-server.  They do not fully support PC keyboards emulating LK405 keyboards,
i.e. VT400 emulation.  The numeric keypad and functions keys are not fully
mapped.  Additionally not all of the DECwindows/Motif fonts are available.
These are identical to most of the LINUX X-Servers.

 

All of the above support local window managers with various modes of
operation (All in one windows, multiple windows, etc.) as well as a remote
window manager, e.g. DECwindows/Motif.

 

It is easy to start up a DECterm or the DECWindows/Motif CDE.  The steps are
to:

 

1) Start the X-server on your workstation/PC allowing connections from the
desired clients.

2) Log into the VMS system using either the mechanism within the X-server
environment or putty.

3) Create a display to the X-server:

   $ set display/create/trans=tcpip/perm/node=

4) To start the CDE (DECwindows/Motif window manager):

   $ @cde$path:xsession

To start a DECterm:

   $ create/term/detach

 

We are evaluating EXCEED as an x-server.  So far it has full functionality
turning a PC into a full function X-server, i.e. like having a Vaxstation or
Alphastation on your PC.  Its only drawback so far is its cost being over
$500 per seat.

 

BTW:  All of the above work on Windows even in Windows virtual machines.

 

Sincerely,

Robert F. Thomas



 44 Industrial Way 
Norwood, MA USA 02062
*  Office Phone - (781) 329-9200
* mail to: r...@asthomas.com

 

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