Re: [Simh] Card Readers on PDP-11's

2020-02-13 Thread Timothe Litt
Yes, and until ~ the 1442, the IBM readers used a row of metal brushes
to read the cards (they'd go through the holes and contact a metal plate
on the bottom).  All the early IBM gear was mechanically interesting - I
suppose from their origins.  Springs, brushes, cams, levers, solenoids,
microswitches, belts and motors!  A mechanical engineering degree was
probably more helpful than an EE (or later CS)...

The 1442 (ish) introduced optical (incandescent lamp + photocell)
readers; Documation also was optical.  IIRC, it also had a taller path,
so was more tolerant of warpage/curled edges.  Toward the end, the light
source became LEDs. 

Anything that avoided contact with the cards helped reliability.  The
challenge for the designers was to have tolerances large enough to avoid
jams, but small enough to prevent picking more than one card, or
allowing skew in transit.

The off-line card sorters and reproducing punches (with the wired
plugboards, often used with mark-sense) were also mechanical marvels -
or monsters - depending on which side of the Field Engineers' toolbox
you stood.

On 13-Feb-20 13:00, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Robert Thomas  wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> The Documation card reader was fairly reliable and didn't chew up as many 
>> cards as the IBM reader.
> I can believe that.  The IBM card readers and punches I've seen (on a 360/44) 
> had a pick mechanism that moves a metal block with a small step in it, sized 
> to match the nominal thickness of the card.  This was supposed to catch the 
> far edge of the card and *push* it into the throat of the feed mechanism.  If 
> there was anything slightly wrong, it would accordeon-fold the card instead.
>
> The Documation readers had vacuum operated pick mechanisms that acted on the 
> leading edge of the card.
>
>   paul
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Re: [Simh] Card Readers on PDP-11's

2020-02-13 Thread Paul Koning


> On Feb 13, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Robert Thomas  wrote:
> 
> ...
> The Documation card reader was fairly reliable and didn't chew up as many 
> cards as the IBM reader.

I can believe that.  The IBM card readers and punches I've seen (on a 360/44) 
had a pick mechanism that moves a metal block with a small step in it, sized to 
match the nominal thickness of the card.  This was supposed to catch the far 
edge of the card and *push* it into the throat of the feed mechanism.  If there 
was anything slightly wrong, it would accordeon-fold the card instead.

The Documation readers had vacuum operated pick mechanisms that acted on the 
leading edge of the card.

paul

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[Simh] Card Readers on PDP-11's

2020-02-13 Thread Robert Thomas
Coming from an IBM 1130 to a PDP-11/20 we had 12kb of core memory, dual RK03's, 
replaced with RK05's, paper tape reader, paper tape punch, card reader, 
teletype, printer and plotter.  At the time we were running DOS.  We had 
several IBM 029 card punches.  There were no online terminals.

We used to have fewer problems with PDP-11/20 than the IBM 1130.  There was a 
hardware problem with the IBM printer that would cause the IBM 1130 to destroy 
the contents of the disk.  One of my tasks was to every Friday evening rebuilt 
all of the disks that were "damaged" by the printer.

The Documation card reader was fairly reliable and didn't chew up as many cards 
as the IBM reader.

Sincerely,
Robert F. Thomas



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