Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Various

2020-02-13 Thread Brian
On 2/13/20 11:48 AM, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote:
> My college, DePauw University (Greencastle, IN, USA), had a DEC card
> reader attached to their PDP-11/45 running RSTS/E, and later connected
> it to their new VAX 11/782(!) running VMS.
> 
> They made all intro students in 1979 learn to use the card punch
> machines and submit programming jobs on cards, until they finally got
> rid of the card punch/readers in favor of interactive terminals in
> 1980-81.
> 

University College of Wales (Aberystwyth) in 1978. Those doing the
'Algol for Scientists' course had to BUY coding pads. You wrote your
programs, longhand, on these, and then tore off the pages and
submitted them to the typists in the coding room. A few hours later
(on a good day!) a deck of cards would appear in your pigeon hole. You
took this to the so-called 'cafeteria', a small room with a card
reader and a line printer, and could queue up to submit your job (with
a 45 second runtime limit) to the twin ICL 4130s (the card reader did
seem quite reliable though!) Find the errors, correct the card(s), go
round the loop again. When everything compiled correctly, submit the
card deck into the queue for batch processing (i.e. a longer run
time). If you were really unlucky, your compile time exceeded the 45
seconds cafeteria time.

Eventually we were let loose on the terminals, which at least saved on
the coding sheets. Chemistry had a single teletype for the entire
department, on a good day it would run at 1200 baud, on a bad day you
had to call the computer department on the main campus and ask for a
300 baud connection instead.

Youth of today, etc, etc...

Brian.

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Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: Various

2020-02-13 Thread Hittner, David T [US] (MS)
My college, DePauw University (Greencastle, IN, USA), had a DEC card reader 
attached to their PDP-11/45 running RSTS/E, and later connected it to their new 
VAX 11/782(!) running VMS.
They made all intro students in 1979 learn to use the card punch machines and 
submit programming jobs on cards, until they finally got rid of the card 
punch/readers in favor of interactive terminals in 1980-81.

David

From: Simh  On Behalf Of Clem Cole
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:39 AM
To: Timothe Litt 
Cc: SIMH 
Subject: EXT :Re: [Simh] Various



On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM Timothe Litt 
mailto:l...@ieee.org>> wrote:

Among others, DEC OEM'd Documation card readers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se0F1bLfFKY
Mark - sorry to go a little direct (simh) topic here [this sort of belongs on 
Warren's COFF mailing list), but since the Card discussion started here as I'm 
kinda curious and will ask it.

Did DEC actually sell that many?   In my years of working around DEC gear 
starting in the late 1960s, I think I saw a card read/punch only once on a 
PDP-6 IIRC, but it might have been a KA10.   I don't think I ever saw one on a 
PDP-8/11 or Vaxen.

I certainly saw and used them on IBM 1401/360 systems, the Univac 1100s and 
CDC's.  I have not so fond memories of the IBM 1442, much less a 26 and 29 
keypunch (and a couple of great stories too).

That said, when I think of DEC gear, my memories are of paper tape or either 
the original DEC-Tape units or a couple of cases the old cassette tape units 
DEC had on some of the laboratory PDP 11/05s.
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