Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)
Linux works as a host for xterm fairly well, depending on the terminal. It can also be used as an xterm I also offers a pc. To start a window manager on a remote xterm setenv DISPLAY xterm:0.0 mwm & Using Linux as an xterm usually requires enabling remote access, as most versions of Linux consider remote access as a severe security problem. Usually requires editing 4 or so configuration files. Original message From: Robert Thomas <r...@asthomas.com> Date: 11/14/16 7:34 AM (GMT-07:00) To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT) We serve X-Windows from SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3. There are many flavors of X-servers that work. The most challenging part of using such is getting networking to work on SIMH/Vax. Our experience is under Windows: 1) EXCURSION (DEC provided with VMS V7 through V7.3 on the Pathworks disk – can be installed on its own requiring no special privileges or registry setting). Provides a simple X-server.2) MobaXterm3) Xming4) vcxsrv5) Cygwin-x All of the above are free and work with some issues. EXCURSION is color limited and does not properly support plane masks. MobaCterm, Xming, vcxsrv, and Cygwin-X are all implementation of XORG’s x-server. They do not fully support PC keyboards emulating LK405 keyboards, i.e. VT400 emulation. The numeric keypad and functions keys are not fully mapped. Additionally not all of the DECwindows/Motif fonts are available. These are identical to most of the LINUX X-Servers. All of the above support local window managers with various modes of operation (All in one windows, multiple windows, etc.) as well as a remote window manager, e.g. DECwindows/Motif. It is easy to start up a DECterm or the DECWindows/Motif CDE. The steps are to: 1) Start the X-server on your workstation/PC allowing connections from the desired clients.2) Log into the VMS system using either the mechanism within the X-server environment or putty.3) Create a display to the X-server: $ set display/create/trans=tcpip/perm/node=4) To start the CDE (DECwindows/Motif window manager): $ @cde$path:xsession To start a DECterm: $ create/term/detach We are evaluating EXCEED as an x-server. So far it has full functionality turning a PC into a full function X-server, i.e. like having a Vaxstation or Alphastation on your PC. Its only drawback so far is its cost being over $500 per seat. BTW: All of the above work on Windows even in Windows virtual machines. Sincerely,Robert F. Thomas 44 Industrial Way Norwood, MA USA 02062 ( Office Phone - (781) 329-9200 * mail to: r...@asthomas.com [Disclaimer] WARNING- This document may contain technical data whose export is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (Title 22, U.S.C., SEQ 2751 ET SEQ) or the Export Administration Act (Title 50, U.S.C., APP 2401-2420). Violations of these export laws are subject to severe criminal penalties. This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee. It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional, or other privilege. If you are not the intended addressee you must not use, disclose, or copy this transmission. This E-mail is not intended to impose nor shall it be construed as imposing any legally binding obligation upon A. S. Thomas, Inc. ("AST"), and/or any subsidiaries thereof or associated companies therof. Neither AST nor any subsidiaries thereof or associated companies thereof gives any representation or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this E-mail. AST shall not be held liable to any person resulting from the use of any information contained in this E-mail and shall not be liable to any person who acts or omits to do anything in reliance upon it. Unendorsed export or re-export is prohibited. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)
eXcursion for Windows is not free. It was licensed as part of the Pathworks Client License. But -apart from me, obviously- knows that nowadays? And who is alive to hunt license violations. Still... * **/Wilm* Robert Thomas schreef op 14-11-2016 om 15:34: We serve X-Windows from SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3. There are many flavors of X-servers that work. The most challenging part of using such is getting networking to work on SIMH/Vax. Our experience is under Windows: 1) EXCURSION (DEC provided with VMS V7 through V7.3 on the Pathworks disk – can be installed on its own requiring no special privileges or registry setting). Provides a simple X-server. 2) MobaXterm 3) Xming 4) vcxsrv 5) Cygwin-x All of the above are free and work with some issues. EXCURSION is color limited and does not properly support plane masks. MobaCterm, Xming, vcxsrv, and Cygwin-X are all implementation of XORG’s x-server. They do not fully support PC keyboards emulating LK405 keyboards, i.e. VT400 emulation. The numeric keypad and functions keys are not fully mapped. Additionally not all of the DECwindows/Motif fonts are available. These are identical to most of the LINUX X-Servers. All of the above support local window managers with various modes of operation (All in one windows, multiple windows, etc.) as well as a remote window manager, e.g. DECwindows/Motif. It is easy to start up a DECterm or the DECWindows/Motif CDE. The steps are to: 1) Start the X-server on your workstation/PC allowing connections from the desired clients. 2) Log into the VMS system using either the mechanism within the X-server environment or putty. 3) Create a display to the X-server: $ set display/create/trans=tcpip/perm/node= 4) To start the CDE (DECwindows/Motif window manager): $ @cde$path:xsession To start a DECterm: $ create/term/detach We are evaluating EXCEED as an x-server. So far it has full functionality turning a PC into a full function X-server, i.e. like having a Vaxstation or Alphastation on your PC. Its only drawback so far is its cost being over $500 per seat. BTW: All of the above work on Windows even in Windows virtual machines. Sincerely, Robert F. Thomas *cid:image001.gif@01C71ABB.312C1E90*** 44 Industrial Way Norwood, MA USA 02062 (Office Phone - (781) 329-9200 *mail to: r...@asthomas.com [Disclaimer] WARNING- This document may contain technical data whose export is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (Title 22, U.S.C., SEQ 2751 ET SEQ) or the Export Administration Act (Title 50, U.S.C., APP 2401-2420). Violations of these export laws are subject to severe criminal penalties. This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee. It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional, or other privilege. If you are not the intended addressee you must not use, disclose, or copy this transmission. This E-mail is not intended to impose nor shall it be construed as imposing any legally binding obligation upon A. S. Thomas, Inc. ("AST"), and/or any subsidiaries thereof or associated companies therof. Neither AST nor any subsidiaries thereof or associated companies thereof gives any representation or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this E-mail. AST shall not be held liable to any person resulting from the use of any information contained in this E-mail and shall not be liable to any person who acts or omits to do anything in reliance upon it. Unendorsed export or re-export is prohibited. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)
We serve X-Windows from SIMH VAX running VMS 7.3. There are many flavors of X-servers that work. The most challenging part of using such is getting networking to work on SIMH/Vax. Our experience is under Windows: 1) EXCURSION (DEC provided with VMS V7 through V7.3 on the Pathworks disk - can be installed on its own requiring no special privileges or registry setting). Provides a simple X-server. 2) MobaXterm 3) Xming 4) vcxsrv 5) Cygwin-x All of the above are free and work with some issues. EXCURSION is color limited and does not properly support plane masks. MobaCterm, Xming, vcxsrv, and Cygwin-X are all implementation of XORG's x-server. They do not fully support PC keyboards emulating LK405 keyboards, i.e. VT400 emulation. The numeric keypad and functions keys are not fully mapped. Additionally not all of the DECwindows/Motif fonts are available. These are identical to most of the LINUX X-Servers. All of the above support local window managers with various modes of operation (All in one windows, multiple windows, etc.) as well as a remote window manager, e.g. DECwindows/Motif. It is easy to start up a DECterm or the DECWindows/Motif CDE. The steps are to: 1) Start the X-server on your workstation/PC allowing connections from the desired clients. 2) Log into the VMS system using either the mechanism within the X-server environment or putty. 3) Create a display to the X-server: $ set display/create/trans=tcpip/perm/node= 4) To start the CDE (DECwindows/Motif window manager): $ @cde$path:xsession To start a DECterm: $ create/term/detach We are evaluating EXCEED as an x-server. So far it has full functionality turning a PC into a full function X-server, i.e. like having a Vaxstation or Alphastation on your PC. Its only drawback so far is its cost being over $500 per seat. BTW: All of the above work on Windows even in Windows virtual machines. Sincerely, Robert F. Thomas 44 Industrial Way Norwood, MA USA 02062 * Office Phone - (781) 329-9200 * mail to: r...@asthomas.com [Disclaimer] WARNING- This document may contain technical data whose export is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (Title 22, U.S.C., SEQ 2751 ET SEQ) or the Export Administration Act (Title 50, U.S.C., APP 2401-2420). Violations of these export laws are subject to severe criminal penalties. This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee. It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional, or other privilege. If you are not the intended addressee you must not use, disclose, or copy this transmission. This E-mail is not intended to impose nor shall it be construed as imposing any legally binding obligation upon A. S. Thomas, Inc. ("AST"), and/or any subsidiaries thereof or associated companies therof. Neither AST nor any subsidiaries thereof or associated companies thereof gives any representation or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of the contents of this E-mail. AST shall not be held liable to any person resulting from the use of any information contained in this E-mail and shall not be liable to any person who acts or omits to do anything in reliance upon it. Unendorsed export or re-export is prohibited. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)
Ray, Clem gave some good advice about checking that you can display anything at all from a remote computer on you Ubuntu system. If you want to get the full DECwindows login experience, then Jordi's e-mail is the way to go. On the other hand, if all you want to do (at least to start with) is to display a DECterm on your Ubuntu box, then do the following: 1) Log into the system running VMS by whatever means 2) Type SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE= 3) Type CREATE/TERM This should pop up a DECterm window on the screen of your Ubuntu system. You can now run VMS commands on the remote system. I happen to have been doing this myself over the last couple of days in order to iron out the last few glitches in getting my keyboard (a real DEC LK461) to work exactly as though it was plugged into a VAXstation. Although I have described how to get a DECterm to pop up, this works equally well for any X application such as the DECwindows clock, xev, ... that is running on the VMS system. Cheers Peter Allan On 12 November 2016 at 02:23, Ray Jewhurstwrote: > I would really like to try out DECMotif but I am finding that using QVSS > is hard to read and I lose the ability to cut and paste. What I was > wondering is if you could in Ubuntu Linux use XServer to make a Xwindows > terminal window? I know next to nothing about XWindows except using it > under a Windows manager so I need a lot of help with this, if it is > possible. > > Thanks In Advance > > Ray > > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)
Try something like: X :1 -query Add geometry and depth parameters as needed. You must also enable the XDCMP server in VMS (either in tcp services or multinet). IIRC the IP address of your display (X Server) machine must be back-translatable from VMS. With a little bit of luck you will get the VMS DECWindows login screen. Jordi Guillaumes Pons El 12 nov 2016, a les 6:55, Clem Coleva escriure: > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: >> What I was wondering is if you could in Ubuntu Linux use XServer to make a >> Xwindows terminal window? > > In theory yes X splits the display and the creation of the data into two > parts (server and client -- warning client and server in the X sense may seem > backwards - the client codes are running on the remote machine(s) and the X > server is running locally). If the Xserver on any OS is properly set up, > DECwindows (which is a set of client programs) should be able to use that as > it's display... > > That said... X has changed over the years and a number of features were > removed from the Xserver when Keith Packard rewrote it about 3-4 years ago. > Keith was one of the original XServer authors so he had a pretty good idea of > what features in the Xserver were important, and what were not. That said, > it is possible DECwindows might need a feature that is no longer supported > (YMMV as folks like to say). > > This is what I would do > > Set up up your Linux box as an Xserver. Then using a modern X implementation > on a different client system across the network, make sure you can > run/display something simple like the Xeyes program, and then if that works > try Xterm, which requires a little more and then try a simple window manager > like twm. Once you are convinced you have the Xserver configured for > network access and its working properly with remote clients, then try to make > it talk to the older clients and see what happens. > > Good Luck, > Clem > > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] XServers and Simh (Somewhat OT)
I would really like to try out DECMotif but I am finding that using QVSS is hard to read and I lose the ability to cut and paste. What I was wondering is if you could in Ubuntu Linux use XServer to make a Xwindows terminal window? I know next to nothing about XWindows except using it under a Windows manager so I need a lot of help with this, if it is possible. Thanks In Advance Ray ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh