Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Mark Wickens]

It looks like Kermit (well, for windows certainly) has stagnated, which is
a shame. C-Kermit might be a different proposition.

On 20 April 2016 at 16:50, Sampsa Laine <samp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ethan,
>
> I use Kermit for basically all connections to servers, even modern ones
> that use SSH (you can do a SET HOST /PTY  to connect) so
> that I can do inline file transfers quickly instead of having to open
> another window for doing an scp/sftp..
>
> Works brilliantly.
>
> Sampsa
>
> > On 20 Apr 2016, at 18:45, Ken Cornetet <
> ken.corne...@kimballelectronics.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tried something like that using RTE Kermit under RTE-6/VM on the
> hp2100. I could never make it work reliably, and even when it did work, the
> performance was horrible.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Dr
> Eberhard W Lisse
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:09 AM
> > To: ethan.di...@gmail.com; bill...@suddenlink.net
> > Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
> > Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms
> >
> > Posted this a while back to the kermit newsgroup:
> >
> > [...]
> > So I downloaded CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE and put that in the ISO,
> fired up kermit on the netbook (I keep it an EVERY machine I ever
> > use!)  and ssh'ed to the localhost, fire up the simulator, log on, fire
> up CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE into servermode and Frank is your uncle :-)-O
> >
> > At least for text files (for the time being) :-)-O [...]
> >
> > Kermit always works!
> >
> > el
> >
> >
> > On 2016-04-20 15:43, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> >> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Bill Cunningham <
> bill...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> >>> People tell me kermit in vms can be a pain.
> >>
> >> We used Kermit on VMS everyday back in the 80s.  It was terrific.
> >> You do have to know how to use Kermit (the default option settings
> >> aren't always the best choice) and you have to understand that files
> >> on VMS are record-oriented not streams-of--bytes, so moving *binary*
> >> files to/from VMS is not so trivial (EXEs aren't bad because they are
> >> fixed-length 512-byte record and you can tell Kermit what you are up
> >> to so you write the correct format on the VMS side, .OLB and other
> >> types of random-length-record files aren't so easy - we used to wrap
> >> binaries up in a text format that preserved the record-size meta-data
> >> and send text files.  Kermit is superb at that).  It's not Kermit that
> >> makes this "difficult", it's RMS on VMS that makes it more complicated
> >> than files on UNIX or DOS or whatever else.  All heterogenous file
> >> transfer techniques have the same hurdles.
> >>
> >> So since your use-case is moving text in and out of VMS, Kermit is an
> >> excellent choice that is not difficult to set up.
> >>
> >> -ethan
> >
> >
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Sampsa Laine]

Ethan,

I use Kermit for basically all connections to servers, even modern ones that 
use SSH (you can do a SET HOST /PTY  to connect) so that I can 
do inline file transfers quickly instead of having to open another window for 
doing an scp/sftp..

Works brilliantly.

Sampsa

> On 20 Apr 2016, at 18:45, Ken Cornetet <ken.corne...@kimballelectronics.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I tried something like that using RTE Kermit under RTE-6/VM on the hp2100. I 
> could never make it work reliably, and even when it did work, the performance 
> was horrible.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Dr Eberhard W 
> Lisse
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: ethan.di...@gmail.com; bill...@suddenlink.net
> Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
> Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms
> 
> Posted this a while back to the kermit newsgroup:
> 
> [...]
> So I downloaded CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE and put that in the ISO, fired up 
> kermit on the netbook (I keep it an EVERY machine I ever
> use!)  and ssh'ed to the localhost, fire up the simulator, log on, fire up 
> CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE into servermode and Frank is your uncle :-)-O
> 
> At least for text files (for the time being) :-)-O [...]
> 
> Kermit always works!
> 
> el
> 
> 
> On 2016-04-20 15:43, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> People tell me kermit in vms can be a pain.
>> 
>> We used Kermit on VMS everyday back in the 80s.  It was terrific.
>> You do have to know how to use Kermit (the default option settings
>> aren't always the best choice) and you have to understand that files
>> on VMS are record-oriented not streams-of--bytes, so moving *binary*
>> files to/from VMS is not so trivial (EXEs aren't bad because they are
>> fixed-length 512-byte record and you can tell Kermit what you are up
>> to so you write the correct format on the VMS side, .OLB and other
>> types of random-length-record files aren't so easy - we used to wrap
>> binaries up in a text format that preserved the record-size meta-data
>> and send text files.  Kermit is superb at that).  It's not Kermit that
>> makes this "difficult", it's RMS on VMS that makes it more complicated
>> than files on UNIX or DOS or whatever else.  All heterogenous file
>> transfer techniques have the same hurdles.
>> 
>> So since your use-case is moving text in and out of VMS, Kermit is an
>> excellent choice that is not difficult to set up.
>> 
>> -ethan
> 
> 
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Ken Cornetet]

I tried something like that using RTE Kermit under RTE-6/VM on the hp2100. I 
could never make it work reliably, and even when it did work, the performance 
was horrible.

-Original Message-
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Dr Eberhard W 
Lisse
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:09 AM
To: ethan.di...@gmail.com; bill...@suddenlink.net
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms

Posted this a while back to the kermit newsgroup:

[...]
So I downloaded CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE and put that in the ISO, fired up 
kermit on the netbook (I keep it an EVERY machine I ever
use!)  and ssh'ed to the localhost, fire up the simulator, log on, fire up 
CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE into servermode and Frank is your uncle :-)-O

At least for text files (for the time being) :-)-O [...]

Kermit always works!

el


On 2016-04-20 15:43, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net> 
> wrote:
>> People tell me kermit in vms can be a pain.
> 
> We used Kermit on VMS everyday back in the 80s.  It was terrific.
> You do have to know how to use Kermit (the default option settings 
> aren't always the best choice) and you have to understand that files 
> on VMS are record-oriented not streams-of--bytes, so moving *binary* 
> files to/from VMS is not so trivial (EXEs aren't bad because they are 
> fixed-length 512-byte record and you can tell Kermit what you are up 
> to so you write the correct format on the VMS side, .OLB and other 
> types of random-length-record files aren't so easy - we used to wrap 
> binaries up in a text format that preserved the record-size meta-data 
> and send text files.  Kermit is superb at that).  It's not Kermit that 
> makes this "difficult", it's RMS on VMS that makes it more complicated 
> than files on UNIX or DOS or whatever else.  All heterogenous file 
> transfer techniques have the same hurdles.
> 
> So since your use-case is moving text in and out of VMS, Kermit is an 
> excellent choice that is not difficult to set up.
> 
> -ethan


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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Posted this a while back to the kermit newsgroup:

[...]
So I downloaded CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE and put that in the ISO,
fired up kermit on the netbook (I keep it an EVERY machine I ever
use!)  and ssh'ed to the localhost, fire up the simulator, log on,
fire up CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE into servermode and Frank is your
uncle :-)-O

At least for text files (for the time being) :-)-O
[...]

Kermit always works!

el


On 2016-04-20 15:43, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Bill Cunningham  
> wrote:
>> People tell me kermit in vms can be a pain.
> 
> We used Kermit on VMS everyday back in the 80s.  It was terrific.
> You do have to know how to use Kermit (the default option settings
> aren't always the best choice) and you have to understand that files
> on VMS are record-oriented not streams-of--bytes, so moving *binary*
> files to/from VMS is not so trivial (EXEs aren't bad because they
> are fixed-length 512-byte record and you can tell Kermit what you
> are up to so you write the correct format on the VMS side, .OLB and
> other types of random-length-record files aren't so easy - we used
> to wrap binaries up in a text format that preserved the record-size
> meta-data and send text files.  Kermit is superb at that).  It's not
> Kermit that makes this "difficult", it's RMS on VMS that makes it
> more complicated than files on UNIX or DOS or whatever else.  All
> heterogenous file transfer techniques have the same hurdles.
> 
> So since your use-case is moving text in and out of VMS, Kermit is
> an excellent choice that is not difficult to set up.
> 
> -ethan


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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Ethan Dicks]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Bill Cunningham  wrote:
> People tell me kermit in vms can be a pain.

We used Kermit on VMS everyday back in the 80s.  It was terrific.  You
do have to know how to use Kermit (the default option settings aren't
always the best choice) and you have to understand that files on VMS
are record-oriented not streams-of--bytes, so moving *binary* files
to/from VMS is not so trivial (EXEs aren't bad because they are
fixed-length 512-byte record and you can tell Kermit what you are up
to so you write the correct format on the VMS side, .OLB and other
types of random-length-record files aren't so easy - we used to wrap
binaries up in a text format that preserved the record-size meta-data
and send text files.  Kermit is superb at that).  It's not Kermit that
makes this "difficult", it's RMS on VMS that makes it more complicated
than files on UNIX or DOS or whatever else.  All heterogenous file
transfer techniques have the same hurdles.

So since your use-case is moving text in and out of VMS, Kermit is an
excellent choice that is not difficult to set up.

-ethan
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[brian]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:06:58 -0600, you wrote:

>Most versions of Linux have a program  "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" for that 
>problem. It may need to be installed, depending on which distribution you have.
>
Sorry for the late followup. Alternatively, just read the file into
and out of gedit on your linux box. It understands both CR/LF and LF
endings as input, and has an option to save in either format. 

Brian. 

>
>Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Bob Supnik 
><b...@supnik.org> Date: 03/25/2016  1:59 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 
>simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms 
>1. Attach a  (new) host file to the simulated printer on VMS.
>2. Print your VMS text file to file to the simulated printer.
>3. Let some time elapse, to make sure the print spooler finishes.
>4. Detach file from the simulated printer.
>5. VMS text file is now on your host in the host file you specified in 
>step 1.
>
>The LP11 printer is very dumb. It requires carriage returns and 
>linefeeds for proper sequencing, so you end up with a correctly 
>formatted Windows text file. Linux should be able to eat that directly; 
>if it needs the carriage returns removed, there are utilities to do that 
>(see ASC in the simtools package).
>
>/Bob
>
>On 3/25/2016 2:51 PM, simh-requ...@trailing-edge.com wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:23:35 -0500
>> From: "Bill Cunningham"<bill...@suddenlink.net>
>> To:<simh@trailing-edge.com>
>> Subject: [Simh] text from openvms
>> Message-ID: <2F1F92FAE2FF4B2FB298AD1D3C4C36C3@apxtz6bip7fvgk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>  I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
>>openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
>>the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
>>wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
>>working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
>>
>>  There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about 
>>binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and 
>>kermit from those who have attempted and done this?
>>
>> Bill
>
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Cunningham]

The only thing I know I can do is to use 'type filename' and log that to a file 
attached to simh. That would take a very long time though. People tell me 
kermit in vms can be a pain. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sergey Oboguev 
  To: Mark Pizzolato ; Bill Cunningham ; Bill Deegan ; simh@trailing-edge.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms


  One approach would be to simply use telnet client that can dump a session to 
a file or copy it to the clipboard, and then inside VMS do something like "COPY 
Q.TXT TXB1:"




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  To: Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>; Bill Deegan 
<b...@baddogconsulting.com>; "simh@trailing-edge.com" <simh@trailing-edge.com> 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms



  If you want to go down the Kermit path you’ll need Kermit for the VMS side 
and you’ll need to find a way to get it into your simulated environment.  

  From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Cunningham
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 12:46 PM
  To: Bill Deegan <b...@baddogconsulting.com>; simh@trailing-edge.com
  Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms

  I don't want to get involved with FTP. That's setting up tcpip in VMS and 
lately I've been having terrible problems with that. I have set that aside. For 
now anyway. IDK about the old VMSs but openvms is new to me and I don't want to 
go too far too much. Thank's for the idea. My linux does have kermit. Is there 
a way to do this without involving tcp/ip protocols? 
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Deegan 
To: Zachary Kline 
Cc: Bill Cunningham ; SIMH List 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms

How about FTP?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Zachary Kline <zkl...@speedpost.net> 
wrote:
  Hi Bill, 

  Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You could always 
do the “type the file to your terminal and copy paste,” dance too. That would 
work for text files particularly. ON OS X at least there’s a way to save 
terminal output to a text file as well.
  I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of overkill for 
what you want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.
  Best,
  Zack.
On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net> 
wrote:

I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
working nor is anything to do with cdrom working. 

There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much 
about binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet 
and kermit from those who have attempted and done this?

Bill

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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Johnny Billquist]

If you have problems with getting tcp/ip set up, it's nothing to what 
you'll have trying to get emulated CDs working cross operating systems, 
and getting files and directories in the correct format.


I would *never* go down that path.

kermit is going to be just as much problems in the end as well. The 
advantage of tcp/ip is that you should already have the software 
available, since it's on the VMS distribution CD, from which I assumed 
you installed VMS itself.


But, all this said, you seem to be amazingly skilled at not 
understanding documentation and peoples attempts to help, and very 
skilled at doing things wrong no matter what people say, so I fear that 
no matter what you do, it's going to fail.


Johnny


On 2016-03-25 20:45, Bill Cunningham wrote:

I don't want to get involved with FTP. That's setting up tcpip in VMS
and lately I've been having terrible problems with that. I have set that
aside. For now anyway. IDK about the old VMSs but openvms is new to me
and I don't want to go too far too much. Thank's for the idea. My linux
does have kermit. Is there a way to do this without involving tcp/ip
protocols?

- Original Message -
*From:* Bill Deegan <mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com>
*To:* Zachary Kline <mailto:zkl...@speedpost.net>
*Cc:* Bill Cunningham <mailto:bill...@suddenlink.net> ; SIMH List
<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 1:38 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [Simh] text from openvms

How about FTP?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Zachary Kline
<zkl...@speedpost.net <mailto:zkl...@speedpost.net>> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You
could always do the “type the file to your terminal and copy
paste,” dance too. That would work for text files particularly.
ON OS X at least there’s a way to save terminal output to a text
file as well.
I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of
overkill for what you want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.
Best,
Zack.

On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham
<bill...@suddenlink.net <mailto:bill...@suddenlink.net>> wrote:

I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax
simulator with openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs
look like telnet and kermit are the way to do it. So is there
not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I wouldn't think
because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't
working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned
so much about binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the
right track with telnet and kermit from those who have
attempted and done this?
Bill
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Cunningham]

I used,

at lpt t.txt

And all worked fine there. But print file.txt on VMS is not so simple. But 
that's another story.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Supnik 
  To: simh@trailing-edge.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 2:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms


  1. Attach a  (new) host file to the simulated printer on VMS.
  2. Print your VMS text file to file to the simulated printer.
  3. Let some time elapse, to make sure the print spooler finishes.
  4. Detach file from the simulated printer.
  5. VMS text file is now on your host in the host file you specified in 
  step 1.

  The LP11 printer is very dumb. It requires carriage returns and 
  linefeeds for proper sequencing, so you end up with a correctly 
  formatted Windows text file. Linux should be able to eat that directly; 
  if it needs the carriage returns removed, there are utilities to do that 
  (see ASC in the simtools package).

  /Bob

  On 3/25/2016 2:51 PM, simh-requ...@trailing-edge.com wrote:
  > Message: 1
  > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:23:35 -0500
  > From: "Bill Cunningham"<bill...@suddenlink.net>
  > To:<simh@trailing-edge.com>
  > Subject: [Simh] text from openvms
  > Message-ID: <2F1F92FAE2FF4B2FB298AD1D3C4C36C3@apxtz6bip7fvgk>
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
  >
  >  I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
  >
  >  There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about 
binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and 
kermit from those who have attempted and done this?
  >
  > Bill

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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[khandy21yo]

Most versions of Linux have a program  "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" for that 
problem. It may need to be installed, depending on which distribution you have.


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Bob Supnik 
<b...@supnik.org> Date: 03/25/2016  1:59 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 
simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms 
1. Attach a  (new) host file to the simulated printer on VMS.
2. Print your VMS text file to file to the simulated printer.
3. Let some time elapse, to make sure the print spooler finishes.
4. Detach file from the simulated printer.
5. VMS text file is now on your host in the host file you specified in 
step 1.

The LP11 printer is very dumb. It requires carriage returns and 
linefeeds for proper sequencing, so you end up with a correctly 
formatted Windows text file. Linux should be able to eat that directly; 
if it needs the carriage returns removed, there are utilities to do that 
(see ASC in the simtools package).

/Bob

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> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:23:35 -0500
> From: "Bill Cunningham"<bill...@suddenlink.net>
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>  I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
>openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
>the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
>wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
>working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
>
>  There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about 
>binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and 
>kermit from those who have attempted and done this?
>
> Bill

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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bob Supnik]

1. Attach a  (new) host file to the simulated printer on VMS.
2. Print your VMS text file to file to the simulated printer.
3. Let some time elapse, to make sure the print spooler finishes.
4. Detach file from the simulated printer.
5. VMS text file is now on your host in the host file you specified in 
step 1.


The LP11 printer is very dumb. It requires carriage returns and 
linefeeds for proper sequencing, so you end up with a correctly 
formatted Windows text file. Linux should be able to eat that directly; 
if it needs the carriage returns removed, there are utilities to do that 
(see ASC in the simtools package).


/Bob

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:23:35 -0500
From: "Bill Cunningham"<bill...@suddenlink.net>
To:<simh@trailing-edge.com>
Subject: [Simh] text from openvms
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 I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.

 There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about 
binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and 
kermit from those who have attempted and done this?

Bill


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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Rich Alderson]

> From: "Bill Cunningham" 
> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:23:35 -0500

> I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with =
> openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and =
> kermit are the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I =
> can copy TOO? I wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set =
> rq writeenable' isn't working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.=20

> There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much =
> about binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with =
> telnet and kermit from those who have attempted and done this?

I'm going to be sorry about this.

No, you are *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* on the right track.

You will have to install Kermit on your VMS (the "Open" is silent) system.
You will have the same freaking problems doing that as you have with TCP/IP,
which you will have to install on your VMS system in order to telnet in.

If what you really want to do[1] is to copy out some TEXT files from your VMS
system so as to be able to see them as TEXT files on your Linux host, use the
SimH commands to

1.  Enable the printer on the VAX.
2.  Attach a file name to the printer.

Then, in VMS, use the PRINT command to put copies of those TEXT files into the
file you have attached to the SimH simulated printer.

3.  Escape back to the SimH prompt and detach the printer file.

The result of that will be a TEXT file.  You can edit that on Linux to separate
out the TEXT files that you issued PRINT commands for on VMS.[2]

Rich

[1] That is, if you're not just trying to waste people's time and raise their
blood pressure.

[2] You could attach and detach individual files under SimH, but I'm afraid
that might be too complex.
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Cunningham]

OK. I will look into it. And see what I can do.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Pizzolato 
  To: Bill Cunningham ; Bill Deegan ; simh@trailing-edge.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [Simh] text from openvms


  If you want to go down the Kermit path you’ll need Kermit for the VMS side 
and you’ll need to find a way to get it into your simulated environment.  

   

  From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Cunningham
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 12:46 PM
  To: Bill Deegan <b...@baddogconsulting.com>; simh@trailing-edge.com
  Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms

   

  I don't want to get involved with FTP. That's setting up tcpip in VMS and 
lately I've been having terrible problems with that. I have set that aside. For 
now anyway. IDK about the old VMSs but openvms is new to me and I don't want to 
go too far too much. Thank's for the idea. My linux does have kermit. Is there 
a way to do this without involving tcp/ip protocols? 

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Deegan 

To: Zachary Kline 

Cc: Bill Cunningham ; SIMH List 

Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms

 

How about FTP?

 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Zachary Kline <zkl...@speedpost.net> 
wrote:

  Hi Bill, 

   

  Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You could always 
do the “type the file to your terminal and copy paste,” dance too. That would 
work for text files particularly. ON OS X at least there’s a way to save 
terminal output to a text file as well.

  I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of overkill for 
what you want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.

  Best,

  Zack.

On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net> 
wrote:

 

I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
working nor is anything to do with cdrom working. 

 

There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much 
about binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet 
and kermit from those who have attempted and done this?

 

Bill

 

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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Cunningham]

I don't want to get involved with FTP. That's setting up tcpip in VMS and 
lately I've been having terrible problems with that. I have set that aside. For 
now anyway. IDK about the old VMSs but openvms is new to me and I don't want to 
go too far too much. Thank's for the idea. My linux does have kermit. Is there 
a way to do this without involving tcp/ip protocols? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Deegan 
  To: Zachary Kline 
  Cc: Bill Cunningham ; SIMH List 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms


  How about FTP?



  On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Zachary Kline <zkl...@speedpost.net> wrote:

Hi Bill,


Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You could always do 
the “type the file to your terminal and copy paste,” dance too. That would work 
for text files particularly. ON OS X at least there’s a way to save terminal 
output to a text file as well.
I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of overkill for what 
you want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.
Best,
Zack.

  On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net> 
wrote:


  I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
working nor is anything to do with cdrom working. 

  There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much 
about binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet 
and kermit from those who have attempted and done this?

  Bill

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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Deegan]

How about FTP?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Zachary Kline 
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You could always
> do the “type the file to your terminal and copy paste,” dance too. That
> would work for text files particularly. ON OS X at least there’s a way to
> save terminal output to a text file as well.
> I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of overkill for what
> you want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.
> Best,
> Zack.
>
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
> I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with
> openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit
> are the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy
> TOO? I wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq
> writeenable' isn't working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
>
> There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about
> binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and
> kermit from those who have attempted and done this?
>
> Bill
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Bill,

Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You could always do the 
“type the file to your terminal and copy paste,” dance too. That would work for 
text files particularly. ON OS X at least there’s a way to save terminal output 
to a text file as well.
I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of overkill for what you 
want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.
Best,
Zack.
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham  wrote:
> 
> I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with 
> openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are 
> the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I 
> wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't 
> working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
>  
> There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about 
> binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and 
> kermit from those who have attempted and done this?
>  
> Bill
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[Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Cunningham]

I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with openvms 
to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit are the way 
to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy TOO? I wouldn't 
think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq writeenable' isn't working nor 
is anything to do with cdrom working. 

There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about 
binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and 
kermit from those who have attempted and done this?

Bill
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