Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password (fwd)
Sorry Paul, Comcast keeps bouncing email back from the dynamic IP Rsts.org is sitting on. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Bump To: Paul Koning Subject: Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Paul Koning wrote: Nice! I looked on rsts.org but didn't see an obvious link from the home page. How far back do your RSTS kits go? I've built V4A from a kit I have, and I found, somewhere, bootable images for V3A and V3C. Or at least V3C, I don't remember if the V3A actually worked. Getting those started is tricky because the procedure is different even from V4, and I haven't seen any manuals anywhere. I finally puzzled it out from a pre V1 listing I have lying around. BTW, pre V9 passwords are 6 characters max, extra are ignored, so "demodemo" is actual "demode". They are also case insensitive, ASCII letters/digits only. Hashed passwords in V9 and up are 13 characters, any 8-bit code. paul I built a V6C kit after Paul Nankervis fixed the INIT.SYS missing block. A V7.0 kit, a V7.2 kit, a V8.0 kit and a V9.3 kit. http://www.rsts.org/autoindex.php?dir=distros/RSTS_kits/ I need to build all the V9 kits and put them up but lots of work/family drama here the last year has put me out of work and now without parents. The kits all have your FORTH rts plus my 2 Custom rts for convenience. Original tapes are here: http://www.rsts.org/autoindex.php?dir=distros/RSTS_tapes/ Everything from V4A to V10.1 with the following missing: Pre V4 V5* V6A V6B V7.1 I tried to build all the kits and accounts to be the same, and since V9+ needed a longer password, I made the demo account: demodemo figuring most would not realize pre V9 passwords were RAD50 6 character max. Brett ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 9, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: I believe the 1,2 password is ?system? on a virgin system. No, it's supplied during system build. At least since V4 -- I think V3 and earlier may have had fixed default passwords. paul Yes, a nasty little program in version 4 when you start you picked the option refresh and put in the 1,1 and 1,2 passwords. It also just happens to remove everything from the disk except the [0,1] files (which you can do nothing with except view the directory). OPTION: REFRESH SURE: YES DD-MON-YY? 01-JAN-72 HH:MM? 12:01 CRASH.SYS(Y OR N), OVER.SYS(0), ERRM.SYS(E) FILES WANTED? N PACK SERIAL ID, CLUSTER SIZE? RSTS,1 MANAGER PASSWORD, MFD CLUSTER? SECRET,1 LIBRARY PASSWORD, UFD CLUSTER? SYSLIB,1 BAD BLOCK FILE? IGNORE RSTS V4A-12 RSTS.ORG OPTION? Now you better have your paper tape CUSP programs handy as you are going to have to reload everything all over again. Brett ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 9, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Peter Allan wrote: While I have been playing with running VMS on simulated VAXen, and RT-11 and RSX-11M(+) on simulated PDP11s for many years, I have never tried RSTS on a PDP11 - until now. I have found installation tapes on rsts.org, but I also have a pre-built system that I downloaded in January 2018 that I was hoping to start with. I can't recall where I got it from. The file name that I downloaded is RSTS_V10.1.zip and the contents of the zip file are: RQDiskV10_1.DSK rsts_1193.ini ... Also, does anyone know how to get into a RSTS system when you have forgotten the system password? Is this even possible? I know how to do it on VMS, but RSTS is completely new to me. Boot the system and start the OS. Sufficiently recent versions will prompt "Proceed with system startup?". Answer NO. You'll be dropped into the DCL prompt, and you're logged in as user [1,2] with all privileges. You can now change the passwords to be whatever you want. Use the "set password" command to change the [1,2] password, or supply the account id -- like [42,17] as the argument on that command to set some other account's password. No, you can't read the passwords, they are hashed. For older versions (V8 and before) the story is different. There the passwords ARE readable. Older versions don't have a "Proceed" prompt, they typically go right into the startup sequence without asking, after you do the "START" operation in INIT. But it works by simulating keyboard input to the console terminal, and you can disrupt that by leaning on the control-C key during the process. It may take a few tries. Once you're in, RUN $MONEY and in the dialog, tell it you want passwords printed. Curiously, those old systems don't have a password change utility, though there does exist a syscall to perform that operation. I should add support for these things to my "FLX" utility (a tool for manipulating RSTS disk images) but right now that isn't provided. paul The version 9 (and above) systems also recognize "REAL" passwords, case sensitive. Paul is correct about the V8 and below passwords, which if I recall correctly, are stored (just like filenames) in RAD50 format. So 6 characters is all you are going to get in V8 and below. I think "IIRC" there is an option in $MONEY to reset passwords which would only be available to a [1,*] user. But it was kind of odd there was never an option for the owner to change their own password. Brett ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
Ray is correct. All of the pre-genned .zip file installations that I created have the "traditional" passwords that were used for RSTS "if" I created those accounts. For pre version 9 systems the standard was [1,1] SECRET [1,2] SYSLIB The pre-genned .zip files come with these as default [1,2] SYSLIB [1,5] SYSUSR [100,100] DEMODEMO I believe Tim (and a few others) had some V10 distros available for download, but I did not make these available on Rsts.org in order to comply with the Mentec hobby license agreement. One of these days I need to take some time and pre-gen some of the other versions so they are all easy to download and use without much effort. Brett On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Ray Jewhurst wrote: IIRC all of the prebuilt systems on RSTS.org come with a text file called password.txt which provides all of the passwords. If you no longer have yours, you could always redownload the packages. Ray On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 4:24 PM Peter Allan wrote: While I have been playing with running VMS on simulated VAXen, and RT-11 and RSX-11M(+) on simulated PDP11s for many years, I have never tried RSTS on a PDP11 - until now. I have found installation tapes on rsts.org, but I also have a pre-built system that I downloaded in January 2018 that I was hoping to start with. I can't recall where I got it from. The file name that I downloaded is RSTS_V10.1.zip and the contents of the zip file are: RQDiskV10_1.DSK rsts_1193.ini The DSK file is 155MB in size, so I presume it is a simulated RD54. I can boot the system using the simh pdp11.exe executable on Windows 10 (I normally use CentOS rather than Windows for this type of work) and it appears to run successfully. HOWEVER, I can't log in as I have no information on a username/password combination. I have guessed a few possible passwords (including no password) for the [1,2] account, but to no avail. Does anyone recognise the system that I have described to the extent that you might be able to help me use it? Also, does anyone know how to get into a RSTS system when you have forgotten the system password? Is this even possible? I know how to do it on VMS, but RSTS is completely new to me. Thanks in advance. Peter Allan ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
> On Oct 9, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: > > I believe the 1,2 password is “system” on a virgin system. No, it's supplied during system build. At least since V4 -- I think V3 and earlier may have had fixed default passwords. paul ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
> On Oct 9, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Peter Allan wrote: > > While I have been playing with running VMS on simulated VAXen, and RT-11 and > RSX-11M(+) on simulated PDP11s for many years, I have never tried RSTS on a > PDP11 - until now. > > I have found installation tapes on rsts.org, but I also have a pre-built > system that I downloaded in January 2018 that I was hoping to start with. I > can't recall where I got it from. > > The file name that I downloaded is RSTS_V10.1.zip and the contents of the zip > file are: > RQDiskV10_1.DSK > rsts_1193.ini > > ... > > Also, does anyone know how to get into a RSTS system when you have forgotten > the system password? Is this even possible? I know how to do it on VMS, but > RSTS is completely new to me. Boot the system and start the OS. Sufficiently recent versions will prompt "Proceed with system startup?". Answer NO. You'll be dropped into the DCL prompt, and you're logged in as user [1,2] with all privileges. You can now change the passwords to be whatever you want. Use the "set password" command to change the [1,2] password, or supply the account id -- like [42,17] as the argument on that command to set some other account's password. No, you can't read the passwords, they are hashed. For older versions (V8 and before) the story is different. There the passwords ARE readable. Older versions don't have a "Proceed" prompt, they typically go right into the startup sequence without asking, after you do the "START" operation in INIT. But it works by simulating keyboard input to the console terminal, and you can disrupt that by leaning on the control-C key during the process. It may take a few tries. Once you're in, RUN $MONEY and in the dialog, tell it you want passwords printed. Curiously, those old systems don't have a password change utility, though there does exist a syscall to perform that operation. I should add support for these things to my "FLX" utility (a tool for manipulating RSTS disk images) but right now that isn't provided. paul ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
I believe the 1,2 password is “system” on a virgin system. Op wo 9 okt. 2019 om 22:24 schreef Peter Allan > While I have been playing with running VMS on simulated VAXen, and RT-11 > and RSX-11M(+) on simulated PDP11s for many years, I have never tried RSTS > on a PDP11 - until now. > > I have found installation tapes on rsts.org, but I also have a pre-built > system that I downloaded in January 2018 that I was hoping to start with. I > can't recall where I got it from. > > The file name that I downloaded is RSTS_V10.1.zip and the contents of the > zip file are: > RQDiskV10_1.DSK > rsts_1193.ini > > The DSK file is 155MB in size, so I presume it is a simulated RD54. > > I can boot the system using the simh pdp11.exe executable on Windows 10 (I > normally use CentOS rather than Windows for this type of work) and it > appears to run successfully. HOWEVER, I can't log in as I have no > information on a username/password combination. I have guessed a few > possible passwords (including no password) for the [1,2] account, but to no > avail. > > Does anyone recognise the system that I have described to the extent that > you might be able to help me use it? > > Also, does anyone know how to get into a RSTS system when you have > forgotten the system password? Is this even possible? I know how to do it > on VMS, but RSTS is completely new to me. > > Thanks in advance. > > Peter Allan > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Wilm ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Getting started with RSTS - unknown password
IIRC all of the prebuilt systems on RSTS.org come with a text file called password.txt which provides all of the passwords. If you no longer have yours, you could always redownload the packages. Ray On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 4:24 PM Peter Allan wrote: > While I have been playing with running VMS on simulated VAXen, and RT-11 > and RSX-11M(+) on simulated PDP11s for many years, I have never tried RSTS > on a PDP11 - until now. > > I have found installation tapes on rsts.org, but I also have a pre-built > system that I downloaded in January 2018 that I was hoping to start with. I > can't recall where I got it from. > > The file name that I downloaded is RSTS_V10.1.zip and the contents of the > zip file are: > RQDiskV10_1.DSK > rsts_1193.ini > > The DSK file is 155MB in size, so I presume it is a simulated RD54. > > I can boot the system using the simh pdp11.exe executable on Windows 10 (I > normally use CentOS rather than Windows for this type of work) and it > appears to run successfully. HOWEVER, I can't log in as I have no > information on a username/password combination. I have guessed a few > possible passwords (including no password) for the [1,2] account, but to no > avail. > > Does anyone recognise the system that I have described to the extent that > you might be able to help me use it? > > Also, does anyone know how to get into a RSTS system when you have > forgotten the system password? Is this even possible? I know how to do it > on VMS, but RSTS is completely new to me. > > Thanks in advance. > > Peter Allan > ___ > Simh mailing list > Simh@trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
