Re: [singularity] future of mankind blueprint and relevance of AGI
Hi Phillip, Unless you're willing to present a great deal of evidence in relation to ET or time machines, its probably best you not mention them, for I hope, obvious reasons. Isolate states exporting anarchy or not attempting to participate in globalized workforce. Begin measuring purchasing parity adjusted annual cost to provide a Guaranteed Annual Income (GAI) in various nations. Anarchy technically means no rulers, though by anarchy you may mean chaos. Socially speaking, you might want to consider it a lack or unwillingness to collaborate or communicate rather hinting at incomprehensibility. Bryan, it would seem we're kindred spirits on this subject. ;) A basic income would help encourage those to work in more self motivated ways rather than by coerced social pressures to get a job because you have to to pay the bills. Because of labor deskilling caused by productive development overall, the unfolding of AGI will be another can of worms to trump all previous cans filled with worms, no doubt. A GAI, or even more cleverly rearranged as GIA would hint at socialist underpinnings of basic income proposals. 3) Brainstomring of industries required to maximize longeivty, and to handle technologies and wield social systems essential for safely transitioning first to a medical/health, then to a leisure society. By longevity do you mean the continuation of distributed resources? Industry usually entails methods of profit making, none of which will occur once abundant resources sink markets that where once proprietary in nature. I formed an organization to tackle your #3. Its certainly a topic likely for more discussion as labor economies tank. For now, we're just a bunch of cukes involved in the so-called technological unemployment debate. 8) Mature medical ethics needed. Mature medical AI safeguards needed. Education in all medical AI-relevant sectors. Begin measuring AI medical R+D advances vs. human researcher medical R+D advances. Why the emphasis on health? Running a fever are you? ;P Potentially powerful occupations and consumer goods will require increased surveillence. Brainstorming metrics to determine the most responsible handlers of a #13 technology (I suggest something like the CDI Index as a ranking). I think it would be better to build safe guards into produced items that prevent measures for surveillance. CDI analysis will eventually transition from monetary figures to resource allocation statistics, measuring in the realms of physics rather than financial figures, because money will gradually lose face. To maintain security for some applications it may be necessary to engineer entire cities from scratch. Sensors should be designed to maximize human privacy rights. The is a heighten risk of WWIII from this period on until just after the technology is developed. The progress made in the open source community suggests strongly that open and freely available tools, if applied to all resource domains, would prevent potential global warfare. Dinosaur economies rely on this warfare business when money doesn't circulate, and this lack of circulation is often due to greed. Hoarding and scarcity insights war. Abundance fosters peace. Of course, there isn't much money in either abundance or peace, so let us hope the ride isn't too rocky before abundant society is the norm. Perhaps abundant thinking will catch on and spread much like the internet did, deemed by default as a worthwhile universal endeavor. Resistance to abundance and adherent measures that insist on scarcity based economies will only cause more bloodshed as more productive technologies develop. Information wants to be free. Safe AGI/AI software programs would be needed before desired humane applications should be used. Need mature sciences of psychology and psychiatry to assist the benevolent administration of this technology. Basic Human Rights, goods and services should be administered to all where tyrannical regimes don't possess military parity. Yes. AGI could help distribute resources in a way less arguably fair and reduce harm to a minimum. If AGI is introduced it will collapse scarce economies, and all of them over time, allocating resources and spatial boundaries in an abundant or more preferred manner. I suggest at this point invoking a Utilitarian system like Mark Walker's Angelic Heirarchy Preference Utilitarianism is a good one. Social heirarchy, whether angelic or otherwise, poses problems. It fuels one-upmentships, creates classes, rewards or punishes, and environments that compete for arbitrary reasons. There are of course many tastes. Maybe some folks will prefer this angelic hierarchy business. Like anything, it's not for everyone. AGI could help match different personalities and establish places for a variety of political behaviors. Nathan --- singularity Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/11983/=now RSS Feed:
Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI
Hi Matt, Great topic here. Remember, the Manhattan Project didn't come about until everyone believed a global catastrophe was afoot. That kind of mentality seems to help bring people together to make amazing stuff, in that case explosive stuff. As narrow AI and robotics become more ubiquitous, the pressure to form an AGI Manhattan Project will increase. Simple technologies like narrow AI (software) and robotics are weeding out labor, reforming the economic playing field (however slowly) into a laborless society. The signs of this are slight, but striking. It seems that only those in the hypertechnology/Singularity field see where its going economically, however scantily. Some examples: Major unemployment in management positions second to industrial loss, the failure of the debt market, increased hoarding of the rich, and price inflation that began to catapult in the mid 1970s, progressing to this day. Continued automation of service and expert systems fused with robotics will break the old economic dinosaur sooner or later. Like AGI research, heterodox economic research isn't profitable, which will remain so until the glass underneath us thins and shatters. I see one of two likely pathways approaching before Manhattan Project activity ensues, (1) a great economic collapse or (2) the formation of a new friendly opposition that acts to even things using big stick political means. Either of these movements will require capable AGI. Microsoft could use a Human Waste Management department to go with the infinitude of other departments it currently has, not to mention a Human Waste Management department for the Human Waste Management department. Perhaps that would be too costly? It would be wise for the AGI collective to write an AGI Roadmap to present to the public once working or theoretical architectures are firmly in place. That would help promote AGI and potentially save forming an AGI Manhattan Project. Nathan --- singularity Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/11983/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/11983/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=98631122-712fa4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
[singularity] Why Artificial Intelligence Will Not Take Over The World (Without Our Permission)
religious culture. Anyone else who sees an opposing scenario or a variation of the same theme, I'd love to hear it. Others have argued about machine consciousness. Because consciousness is defined in many ways, I've described a conscious machine as one that has feelings. I don't think it possible for an Intelligence to have feelings or at least human feelings until it can physically model how we have them. These topics were discussed some in previous threads. I anticipate this topic will be a recurring one. This is my first post, thanks for having me. On a side note, I'd love to have suggested readings from those interested in sharing them off thread or otherwise. 1. Pinker, Steven. A History of Violence. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/pinker07/pinker07_index.html Nor that either, Nathan Cravens effortlesseconomy.com - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=90233695-ca2655
Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?
The reason biowarfare has failed so far is mostly a lack of good delivery mechanisms: there are loads of pathogens that will kill people, but no one has yet figured out how to deliver them effectively ... they die in the sun, disperse in the wind, drown in the water, whatever Biowarfare probably hasn't caught on because it's difficult to control, like a destructive gift that keeps on giving. Its difficult to devise an antidote for something that may mutate with the chance of taking out both the target and the shooter. Tit-for-tat in a war game is not an ideal stratagem... ;) If advanced genetic engineering solves these problems, then what happens? Are we totally screwed? Or will we be protected by the same sociopsychological dynamics that have kept DC from being nuked so far: the intersection of folks with a terrorist mindset and folks with scientific chops is surprisingly teeny... What's the point really, it's not like DC runs things... They just make sure the checks get cashed. Once an AGI helps us root out the cause of violence, my utopian sentiment suggests terrorism will be a null point. Rage against peace may be a future slogan. Until then, I hope we have thinking posthuman software before the stodgily human acting hardware comes available to do what humans do, stay 'right' by default by eliminating the other other 'right' or otherwise. - Nathan Cravens effortlesseconomy.com - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604id_secret=90258841-e9a14e
