Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Andy Ruddock
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David Shaw wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> 
>>> Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS?  If so,
>>> there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new
>>> peer is a manual operation.
>>
>> Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with
>> most other protocols, too, isn't it?
> 
> No, the 11371 port is needed because it is part of the HKP protocol,
> just like 80 is part of the HTTP protocol.  11370, on the other hand, is
> just some port that SKS uses.  It's not in use by clients.  That port is
> manually configured.

Isn't port 80 simply the default port used by http, certainly it's not
uncommon to use other ports (8080 springing to mind).
The http spec (rfc2616) says:
"The default port is TCP 80 [19], but other ports can be used."
[19] is a pointer to rfc1700 - assigned numbers.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread David Shaw

On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:


Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS?  If so,
there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new
peer is a manual operation.


Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with
most other protocols, too, isn't it?


No, the 11371 port is needed because it is part of the HKP protocol,  
just like 80 is part of the HTTP protocol.  11370, on the other hand,  
is just some port that SKS uses.  It's not in use by clients.  That  
port is manually configured.


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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:21 -0500, David Shaw wrote:
> No.  You should have a document specifying what the port actually is  
> and the protocol that is used on the port before you claim it.  There  
> is a spec for 11371.  You need a spec for 11370.

I was aware of that process :-)


> Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS?  If so,  
> there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new  
> peer is a manual operation.

Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with
most other protocols, too, isn't it?


>   A SKS instance doesn't need to know a  
> well-known port to become a peer.

Well it was just an idea, when I saw that probably most keyservers
sticked with the default (11370) and this was still unassigned.

I didn't intend to step on someones feet :)

btw: I was not about to register a port number in the well-known
range ;)


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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread David Shaw

On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:


On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:30 -0500, David Shaw wrote:
The policy didn't exist yet when some of the early protocols got  
their

port numbers.  Certainly for the past 10 years or so, if you got one,
you got the other.  At least, that's what I was told when I  
registered

HKP (port 11371).

Yes,... and for other protocols,.. you'd have to apply specifically...
(e.g. sctp).

Anyway,.. should I apply for it now? I mean 11370?


No.  You should have a document specifying what the port actually is  
and the protocol that is used on the port before you claim it.  There  
is a spec for 11371.  You need a spec for 11370.


Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS?  If so,  
there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new  
peer is a manual operation.  A SKS instance doesn't need to know a  
well-known port to become a peer.


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[Sks-devel] How to compact sks DB?

2009-02-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi.

How can I compact the BDB used by sks?

When I've downloaded the initial dump this used about 3,6 GB

But after running /usr/lib/sks/sks_build.sh (in normal mode) I have
about this:
/var/lib/sks/DB# l
total 7,1G
drwx-- 2 root   root   4,1k 2009-02-02 23:24 .
drwx-- 5 debian-sks debian-sks 4,1k 2009-02-02 23:25 ..
-rw--- 1 root   root25k 2009-02-02 23:25 __db.001
-rw--- 1 root   root   1,4M 2009-02-02 23:48 __db.002
-rw--- 1 root   root27M 2009-02-02 23:48 __db.003
-rw--- 1 root   root99k 2009-02-02 23:25 __db.004
-rw--- 1 root   root58k 2009-02-02 23:25 __db.005
-rw--- 1 root   root   6,2G 2009-02-02 23:23 key
-rw--- 1 root   root   128M 2009-02-02 23:24 keyid
-rw--- 1 root   root11M 2009-02-02 23:25 log.01
-rw--- 1 root   root   8,2k 2009-02-02 23:25 meta
-rw--- 1 root   root   120M 2009-02-02 23:24 subkeyid
-rw--- 1 root   root98M 2009-02-02 23:24 time
-rw--- 1 root   root   8,2k 2009-02-02 21:38 tqueue
-rw--- 1 root   root   507M 2009-02-02 23:24 word

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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:30 -0500, David Shaw wrote:
> The policy didn't exist yet when some of the early protocols got their
> port numbers.  Certainly for the past 10 years or so, if you got one,
> you got the other.  At least, that's what I was told when I registered
> HKP (port 11371).
Yes,... and for other protocols,.. you'd have to apply specifically...
(e.g. sctp).

Anyway,.. should I apply for it now? I mean 11370?

hkp-server 11370/tcp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation
hkp-server 11370/udp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation

or

hkp-recon  11370/tcp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation
hkp-recon  11370/udp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation

or

hkp-sync  11370/tcp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver synchronisation
hkp-sync  11370/udp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver synchronisation

or anything else?

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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread David Shaw
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 01:25:55PM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote:
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:19 PM, David Shaw wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:15:04AM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote:
>>> Is UDP really used?
>>
>> No.  The way the IETF assigns numbers, if you get the TCP number, you
>> get the UDP number with it.
>>
>> David
>
> Except for 514.
>
> :)
>
> I'm guessing this is the exception that proves the rule?

The policy didn't exist yet when some of the early protocols got their
port numbers.  Certainly for the past 10 years or so, if you got one,
you got the other.  At least, that's what I was told when I registered
HKP (port 11371).

David


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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Joseph Oreste Bruni


On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:19 PM, David Shaw wrote:


On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:15:04AM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote:

Is UDP really used?


No.  The way the IETF assigns numbers, if you get the TCP number, you
get the UDP number with it.

David


Except for 514.

:)

I'm guessing this is the exception that proves the rule?







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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread David Shaw
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:15:04AM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote:
> Is UDP really used?

No.  The way the IETF assigns numbers, if you get the TCP number, you
get the UDP number with it.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Ryan Hunt
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11371 - De facto Key Server Port (hkp)
11370 - SKS Peering port (required to talk to other SKS servers)

You'll also find a lot of key servers running on 80 (HTTP) for web
browsers, I even offer it on 443 (HTTPS)

According to /etc/services HTTP uses both TCP & UDP, given that HKP uses
HTTP I would have to presume that UDP is required (might not be for
peering however)

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Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote:
> Is UDP really used?
> 
> 
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>>
>> I've seen that sks (other keyservers, too??) uses
>> hkp 11371/tcp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver
>> hkp 11371/udp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver
>>
>> but also port 11370... should we apply for that port?
>> If so I could do the work if you like :-)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> -- 
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>> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
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Re: [Sks-devel] SKS upgrade procedure

2009-02-02 Thread John Clizbe
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John Webster wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is there a SKS upgrade procedure posted anywhere?

John,

I don't recall ever seeing one.

For SKS, as long as the DB version stays constant, I believe building the new
version and replacing the binaries should be enough.

To upgrade an existing KDB and PTree database, one needs to follow the
db_archive/db_checkpoint procedures that are part of the online release notes on
Oracle's site. (Usually it's nothing more than a log format change)

#include 

Good luck


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Re: [Sks-devel] Restart server after adding/removing peers?

2009-02-02 Thread Andy Ruddock
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Stephan Beyer wrote:
>> Is a server restart required after adding/removing peers from the
>> membership file
> 
> No.
> 
>> or will changes be detected automatically?
> 
> Yes.
> 

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[Sks-devel] SKS upgrade procedure

2009-02-02 Thread John Webster

Hello,

Is there a SKS upgrade procedure posted anywhere?

Thanks.

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Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Joseph Oreste Bruni

Is UDP really used?


On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:


Hi.

I've seen that sks (other keyservers, too??) uses
hkp 11371/tcp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver
hkp 11371/udp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver

but also port 11370... should we apply for that port?
If so I could do the work if you like :-)

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[Sks-devel] Ports used by sks

2009-02-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi.

I've seen that sks (other keyservers, too??) uses
hkp 11371/tcp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver
hkp 11371/udp   OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver

but also port 11370... should we apply for that port?
If so I could do the work if you like :-)

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Re: [Sks-devel] Restart server after adding/removing peers?

2009-02-02 Thread Stephan Beyer
> Is a server restart required after adding/removing peers from the
> membership file

No.

> or will changes be detected automatically?

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[Sks-devel] Restart server after adding/removing peers?

2009-02-02 Thread Andy Ruddock
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Is a server restart required after adding/removing peers from the
membership file or will changes be detected automatically?

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Re: [Sks-devel] looking for initial key dump and gossip partners

2009-02-02 Thread Gabor Kiss
Hi Christoph,

> I'm about to set up a sks server using Debian's packages on
> keyserver.pki.scientia.net.
> 
> I've looked through the list for some URIs with where I can get an
> initial key dump. But all I've found where orphaned and not working.

Have you seen this?
http://keysigning.org/sks/

> I'd also like to (as many as possible?!) gossip partners.

Just drop a notice here if your server is already up.

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Re: [Sks-devel] looking for initial key dump and gossip partners

2009-02-02 Thread Johan van Selst
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> I've looked through the list for some URIs with where I can get an
> initial key dump. But all I've found where orphaned and not working.

You can try these ones, which hold up-to-date keydumps:
ftp://ftp.pramberger.at/services/keyserver/keydump/
ftp://ftp.prato.linux.it/pub/keyring/

They are linked from http://www.keysigning.org/sks/ - a site with
a good introduction text on how to get started.


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[Sks-devel] looking for initial key dump and gossip partners

2009-02-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi list.

I'm about to set up a sks server using Debian's packages on
keyserver.pki.scientia.net.

I've looked through the list for some URIs with where I can get an
initial key dump. But all I've found where orphaned and not working.

I'd also like to (as many as possible?!) gossip partners.

I think I'll be able to provide this service for some longer time (at
least as long traffic doesn't exceed some 200GB or so)...
What I've read in the list is the the average per day is about 100MB?

I'd also like to be added to the pools, once my server is working, but
so far I can only support IPv4.


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[Sks-devel] New sks pgp keyserver at pgp.gabrix.ath.cx

2009-02-02 Thread gabrix
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Add my pgp.gabrix.ath.cx:11370 to your membership file and contact me at
ad...@gabrix.ath.cx 0x80231A90.
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