Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 09:28 -0500, David Shaw wrote: > Look, I give up. You really really want to register it. It's cool to > register stuff. Go ahead. I can't stop you. No I don't want to it was just an idea, and I've already gave up before. Just wanted to add that numbers are not only assigned for end user protocols like http... -- Christoph Anton Mitterer Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 08:35 -0500, David Shaw wrote: Port 11370 is not user visible. Portnumbers aren't just for end user visible standard-ports... Look, I give up. You really really want to register it. It's cool to register stuff. Go ahead. I can't stop you. The question you asked is whether you *should* register it. The answer for that is still 'no', you shouldn't. You can keep hammering away, but the answer will still be no, you shouldn't. You don't understand, and don't want to understand, the issue involved. David ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 08:35 -0500, David Shaw wrote: > Port 11370 is not user visible. Portnumbers aren't just for end user visible standard-ports... Regards, -- Christoph Anton Mitterer Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Andy Ruddock wrote: David Shaw wrote: On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS? If so, there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new peer is a manual operation. Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with most other protocols, too, isn't it? No, the 11371 port is needed because it is part of the HKP protocol, just like 80 is part of the HTTP protocol. 11370, on the other hand, is just some port that SKS uses. It's not in use by clients. That port is manually configured. Isn't port 80 simply the default port used by http, certainly it's not uncommon to use other ports (8080 springing to mind). The http spec (rfc2616) says: "The default port is TCP 80 [19], but other ports can be used." [19] is a pointer to rfc1700 - assigned numbers. Exactly. Port 80 is the default port for http just like 11371 is the default port for HKP. So if you said "hkp://my.keyserver" it would be on port 11371. This saves users from having to know that the port is 11371, just like users going to a web page don't need to remember to do something like "http://blahblah:80";. Port 11370 is not user visible. David ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Shaw wrote: > On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > >>> Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS? If so, >>> there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new >>> peer is a manual operation. >> >> Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with >> most other protocols, too, isn't it? > > No, the 11371 port is needed because it is part of the HKP protocol, > just like 80 is part of the HTTP protocol. 11370, on the other hand, is > just some port that SKS uses. It's not in use by clients. That port is > manually configured. Isn't port 80 simply the default port used by http, certainly it's not uncommon to use other ports (8080 springing to mind). The http spec (rfc2616) says: "The default port is TCP 80 [19], but other ports can be used." [19] is a pointer to rfc1700 - assigned numbers. - -- Andy Ruddock - andy.rudd...@rainydayz.org (GPG Key ID 0xA622D452) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmH62wACgkQfSkWkaYi1FJP9gCfXkNBm2tikNBaxbfPn3MLrMKt /40An2JXYmZ4wTxwPaDMU3NuUCiEvxvR =zMPZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS? If so, there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new peer is a manual operation. Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with most other protocols, too, isn't it? No, the 11371 port is needed because it is part of the HKP protocol, just like 80 is part of the HTTP protocol. 11370, on the other hand, is just some port that SKS uses. It's not in use by clients. That port is manually configured. David ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:21 -0500, David Shaw wrote: > No. You should have a document specifying what the port actually is > and the protocol that is used on the port before you claim it. There > is a spec for 11371. You need a spec for 11370. I was aware of that process :-) > Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS? If so, > there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new > peer is a manual operation. Well but this is also the case with the 11371 port, and basically with most other protocols, too, isn't it? > A SKS instance doesn't need to know a > well-known port to become a peer. Well it was just an idea, when I saw that probably most keyservers sticked with the default (11370) and this was still unassigned. I didn't intend to step on someones feet :) btw: I was not about to register a port number in the well-known range ;) Best wishes, -- Christoph Anton Mitterer Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:30 -0500, David Shaw wrote: The policy didn't exist yet when some of the early protocols got their port numbers. Certainly for the past 10 years or so, if you got one, you got the other. At least, that's what I was told when I registered HKP (port 11371). Yes,... and for other protocols,.. you'd have to apply specifically... (e.g. sctp). Anyway,.. should I apply for it now? I mean 11370? No. You should have a document specifying what the port actually is and the protocol that is used on the port before you claim it. There is a spec for 11371. You need a spec for 11370. Also, isn't the port changeable on a per-peer basis in SKS? If so, there is no point in registering the port at all, as setting up a new peer is a manual operation. A SKS instance doesn't need to know a well-known port to become a peer. David ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:30 -0500, David Shaw wrote: > The policy didn't exist yet when some of the early protocols got their > port numbers. Certainly for the past 10 years or so, if you got one, > you got the other. At least, that's what I was told when I registered > HKP (port 11371). Yes,... and for other protocols,.. you'd have to apply specifically... (e.g. sctp). Anyway,.. should I apply for it now? I mean 11370? hkp-server 11370/tcp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation hkp-server 11370/udp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation or hkp-recon 11370/tcp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation hkp-recon 11370/udp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver reconciliation or hkp-sync 11370/tcp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver synchronisation hkp-sync 11370/udp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver synchronisation or anything else? Best wishes, -- Christoph Anton Mitterer Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 01:25:55PM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:19 PM, David Shaw wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:15:04AM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: >>> Is UDP really used? >> >> No. The way the IETF assigns numbers, if you get the TCP number, you >> get the UDP number with it. >> >> David > > Except for 514. > > :) > > I'm guessing this is the exception that proves the rule? The policy didn't exist yet when some of the early protocols got their port numbers. Certainly for the past 10 years or so, if you got one, you got the other. At least, that's what I was told when I registered HKP (port 11371). David ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:19 PM, David Shaw wrote: On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:15:04AM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: Is UDP really used? No. The way the IETF assigns numbers, if you get the TCP number, you get the UDP number with it. David Except for 514. :) I'm guessing this is the exception that proves the rule? ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:15:04AM -0700, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: > Is UDP really used? No. The way the IETF assigns numbers, if you get the TCP number, you get the UDP number with it. David ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 11371 - De facto Key Server Port (hkp) 11370 - SKS Peering port (required to talk to other SKS servers) You'll also find a lot of key servers running on 80 (HTTP) for web browsers, I even offer it on 443 (HTTPS) According to /etc/services HTTP uses both TCP & UDP, given that HKP uses HTTP I would have to presume that UDP is required (might not be for peering however) - -R Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: > Is UDP really used? > > > On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> I've seen that sks (other keyservers, too??) uses >> hkp 11371/tcp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver >> hkp 11371/udp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver >> >> but also port 11370... should we apply for that port? >> If so I could do the work if you like :-) >> >> Best wishes, >> -- >> Christoph Anton Mitterer >> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München >> >> christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de >> m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name >> ___ >> Sks-devel mailing list >> Sks-devel@nongnu.org >> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel > > > > ___ > Sks-devel mailing list > Sks-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmHU2kACgkQIcAiq3SnceEqeACfarek+2gU/X7Q9DXJe7DB4Oi/ zZMAn0UEb4iDLvsnLXfN3KvIWZOpeGMT =2CFT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
Re: [Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
Is UDP really used? On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Hi. I've seen that sks (other keyservers, too??) uses hkp 11371/tcp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver hkp 11371/udp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver but also port 11370... should we apply for that port? If so I could do the work if you like :-) Best wishes, -- Christoph Anton Mitterer Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
[Sks-devel] Ports used by sks
Hi. I've seen that sks (other keyservers, too??) uses hkp 11371/tcp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver hkp 11371/udp OpenPGP HTTP Keyserver but also port 11370... should we apply for that port? If so I could do the work if you like :-) Best wishes, -- Christoph Anton Mitterer Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München christoph.anton.mitte...@physik.uni-muenchen.de m...@christoph.anton.mitterer.name smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/sks-devel
