[SLUG] Sixth Edition - LinMagAu - Survey

2003-07-31 Thread Kimberly Shelt
Hi all,

I don't usually send this overview to all LUGS each month
however this month we would like you all to know so that you 
can participate in the survey...at http://www.linmagau.org

**A Survey**
Demographics, membership and usage survey.
Gathering information from across Australia about your community.
Please visit the site and take 10 minutes to go through the survey.. 

Other great things to look out for..

Interviews
---
Andrew Morton 2.6 Kernel Maintainer
Michael Davies - Meta-organiser
George Staikos - Linux Drivers

Software  Apps
---
OpenOffice.org: Where is MS Access?
JPEG to MPEG conversion HOWTO
PhotoShelf
Tractorgen
PHP TODO
PHPSurveyor

Other Features
--
Distro Day (Measuring Gentoo)
Software Crash Recovery Tips
Essential CVS - A review
Lo-Fat 2 - The Post Install Tune-Up
Why Debian over Redhat in 15 seconds
Gentoo Emerges
Free Software Project Pyramid

Tips and Tricks
---
Bash Scripts
Google
Loop Counting
Readable PATH ?
KDE - Gnome - Clicking
Download script (Concord EyeQ Duo LCD)

Community
-
ICH - Internet Community Hour
AUUG OpenSource Awards 2003
The OSV Scholar Challenge
UG focus - HUMBUG (QLD)

Updates
---
LinMagAu
LCA2004
AUUG Election Results
OzZope Sprint
Rekonstruction
Linux Australia

Conferences  Events

AUUG 2003
SAGE-AU 2003
NOIE OSS Seminars
User Group Day
LPI Information Seminar -Syd

Ideation and Fun
---
Open letter to suers
Windows/Linux a fair look?
Slackware is 10, reminiscing
Linux the future?
Random Gatherings 
Email of the Month

Once again, thanks to all those who have supported the magazine
over the last month.

Regards
Kimberly Shelt
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[SLUG] sql2tinydns

2003-07-31 Thread Adam Hewitt
Hi All,

I am trying to setup sql2tinydns and I am having some drama's. I have
installed the username and database ok into my SQL server, and I have
imported the schema ok also (i think, at least I didn't get any errors).
However when I try and bring up the webpage I am getting the following
error:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in
/var/www/admin/sql2dns/includes/db.inc.php on line 50

now logic would tell me to have a look at line 50 in that php file which
has:

# make the connection
$link = mysql_connect ($dbhost, $dbuser, $dbpwd)
 or die (Could not connect);
mysql_select_db($db, $link) or die(Could not select database);

I thought maybe it doesn't like the line break on the line before and
joined them, however I still got the same error and changed it back.

Has anyone used sql2tinydns and had similar issues? or anyone have an
idea?

Any help would be appreciated.

Adam.

PS. Please dont ask why I am using 'that tinydns sh*te'...lets just say
I dont have the option.



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[SLUG] Multi-page tiff (again)

2003-07-31 Thread Stuart Guthrie
Hi there again,

My last submitted convert script works OK for small tifs by converting 
them to PDFs however, for large ones (or perhaps non-standard ones who 
knows) it wrecks my CPU and forces a reboot. I have a 2Mb tiff that does 
this every time.

So FWIW, here is an alternative, its called tiffsplit.

mkdir ~/tmptif
rm -f ~/tmptif/*
tiffsplit $1 ~/tmptif/prefix
kuickshow ~/tmptif
This is also sub-optimal but works.  It creates the individual pages as 
seperate images which kuickshow was able to view in preview or 
fullscreen mode. Not too bad. Suboptimal because it would be better to 
re-combine them to PDF (anyone?) so that they could be printed as one 
and sent to others as a PDF.

Update solved it:

cd ~/tmptif
tiff2ps *  prefix.ps
ps2pdf prefix.ps
xpdf prefix.pdf
This views it as a PDF successfully. I guess these tools are better with 
tiff files than the ImageMagick convert tool?

BTW

http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/

This site was helpful but in the end all of the non-commercial image 
viewers (that I could actually install) failed to do the job.

FWIW

Stuart

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[SLUG] problem Remote X

2003-07-31 Thread pesoy misak
Dear all

I am a newbie in the linux world so please guide me. I
just install woody in my AMD K6 500Mhz everything work
fine including the Xserver. I Just read an article
about XDMCP and remote host and very interested in it.
I did what the XDMCP-HOWTO that shipped with woody 3
and I ssh the woody using putty with tunnel enable but
the response is cannot open display   and then I
set the DISPLAY environment variable by set the
command export DISPLAY=windows:0.0 and type the
startx again the result is cannot find display
windows:0.0 is there any problem with the setting
please guide me?

and another problem when I go to KDE environment I
found an error said /dev/dsp device not found and I
list the dev the dsp is there and I add the group
audio to my user still has the error 

please help me

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[SLUG] problem Remote X

2003-07-31 Thread pesoy misak
Dear all

I am a newbie in the linux world so please guide me. I
just install woody in my AMD K6 500Mhz everything work
fine including the Xserver. I Just read an article
about XDMCP and remote host and very interested in it.
I did what the XDMCP-HOWTO that shipped with woody 3
and I ssh the woody using putty with tunnel enable but
the response is cannot open display   and then I
set the DISPLAY environment variable by set the
command export DISPLAY=windows:0.0 and type the
startx again the result is cannot find display
windows:0.0 is there any problem with the setting
please guide me?

and another problem when I go to KDE environment I
found an error said /dev/dsp device not found and I
list the dev the dsp is there and I add the group
audio to my user still has the error 

please help me

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[SLUG] Web sever locally unaccessible.

2003-07-31 Thread Myuran Pathmanathan
Hi Sluggers,

I am a linux newbie. Just got an ADSL connection and already setup a
local network with a linux server and MS workstations. I have
successfully set up a web server on the same linux server. My problem is
this.

I have three web sites running in my server using virtual hosts. I have
a Dlink DSL 504 router. I am unable to see the web pages from the local
network. I can only see the default page with the local IP address. When
ever I use the www.mydomain.com.au, it says connection refused.

How can I change this situation, so that I can also view the pages
locally?

Thanks in advance.

pathman

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Re: [SLUG] Web sever locally unaccessible.

2003-07-31 Thread Stuart Guthrie
Check out your virtual hosts settings in apache and/or just address it 
on your local machine directly via its ip address. You could also put an 
entry in your hosts file with the local ip address range. Finally, is 
your web server definately running?

HTH

Stu

Myuran Pathmanathan wrote:

Hi Sluggers,

I am a linux newbie. Just got an ADSL connection and already setup a
local network with a linux server and MS workstations. I have
successfully set up a web server on the same linux server. My problem is
this.
I have three web sites running in my server using virtual hosts. I have
a Dlink DSL 504 router. I am unable to see the web pages from the local
network. I can only see the default page with the local IP address. When
ever I use the www.mydomain.com.au, it says connection refused.
How can I change this situation, so that I can also view the pages
locally?
Thanks in advance.

pathman

 



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[SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat

2003-07-31 Thread Michael Kraus
G'day all...

If I was wanting to move a file called ---.dat to another name (say
foo.dat) - how would I go about it?

mv interprets the - in the filename as a parameter switch (and as the
shell expands wildcards, they are futile) - how do I tell mv that its
the file to operate upon?


Thanks.

Mike


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Re: [SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat

2003-07-31 Thread Tony Green
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:38, Michael Kraus wrote:
 G'day all...
 
 If I was wanting to move a file called ---.dat to another name (say
 foo.dat) - how would I go about it?
 
 mv interprets the - in the filename as a parameter switch (and as the
 shell expands wildcards, they are futile) - how do I tell mv that its
 the file to operate upon?
 

This type of question normally starts a huge thread about the best
ways

In my book, the best way is

mv -- ---.bar foo.bar

The initial double dashes tell mv that everything after is NOT an option
but an arg.

TG

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Re: [SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat

2003-07-31 Thread Kevin Saenz
have you tried

mv ---.dat foo.dat


 G'day all...
 
 If I was wanting to move a file called ---.dat to another name (say
 foo.dat) - how would I go about it?
 
 mv interprets the - in the filename as a parameter switch (and as the
 shell expands wildcards, they are futile) - how do I tell mv that its
 the file to operate upon?
 
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [SLUG] Web sever locally unaccessible.

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:22:12PM +0800, Myuran Pathmanathan wrote:
 I have three web sites running in my server using virtual hosts. I have
 a Dlink DSL 504 router. I am unable to see the web pages from the local
 network. I can only see the default page with the local IP address. When
 ever I use the www.mydomain.com.au, it says connection refused.

Smells to me like the router isn't doing it's NAT job properly.  Let me
describe what I think your network is:

The DSL line has a single public IP address assigned.  The 504 is configured
to NAT onto that address, and to port forward 80 to the private IP'd linux
box.  The DNS for your VHosted domains is the public IP.

If this is the case, you need to get the 504 to NAT the source IP for web
requests to the public IP to the private address of the router if the source
address is your local network, because what will happen otherwise is that
the webserver will see a local source address and send it straight back (as
itself), which will confuse the hell out of the requesting machine, because
it's talking to public IP not private IP.

How to do this mapping on a 504 I have no idea, because my routers are Linux
boxes.  I could give you IPTables rules to do it, but that wouldn't help.

Of course, if your network setup is different, then this is all bollocks. 
In which case, more network description would be desirable.

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RE: [SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat

2003-07-31 Thread Tiwari, Rajnish
% mv  ./---.dat   foo.dat

Worth a try, i guess.

Raj

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::To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
::Subject: [SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat
::
::
::G'day all...
::
::If I was wanting to move a file called ---.dat to another name (say
::foo.dat) - how would I go about it?
::
::mv interprets the - in the filename as a parameter switch 
::(and as the
::shell expands wildcards, they are futile) - how do I tell mv that its
::the file to operate upon?
::
::
::Thanks.
::
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[SLUG] Re: [plug] sql2tinydns

2003-07-31 Thread Adam Hewitt
Cheers for your replies, I have now got sql2dns up and running, however
when I try to add a new domain I am getting the following error:

Insert failed: Unknown column 'rr_fqdn' in 'field list'

and when I try and 'preview data file changes' I get:

Failed to query for data

According to the install file, you need to make the tiny-dns data file
writable by the web server, which I have done by changing the owener and
group to www-data. I have then tried logging with the user www-data and
make changes with the data file, and it works no problems.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Adam.

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 16:40, Adam Hewitt wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I am trying to setup sql2tinydns and I am having some drama's. I have
 installed the username and database ok into my SQL server, and I have
 imported the schema ok also (i think, at least I didn't get any errors).
 However when I try and bring up the webpage I am getting the following
 error:
 
 Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in
 /var/www/admin/sql2dns/includes/db.inc.php on line 50
 
 now logic would tell me to have a look at line 50 in that php file which
 has:
 
   # make the connection
   $link = mysql_connect ($dbhost, $dbuser, $dbpwd)
    or die (Could not connect);
   mysql_select_db($db, $link) or die(Could not select database);
 
 I thought maybe it doesn't like the line break on the line before and
 joined them, however I still got the same error and changed it back.
 
 Has anyone used sql2tinydns and had similar issues? or anyone have an
 idea?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Adam.
 
 PS. Please dont ask why I am using 'that tinydns sh*te'...lets just say
 I dont have the option.
 
 
 

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[SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Geoffrey Robertson

Educational Allies and other dudes,

A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have 
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.

I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia
to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification.

They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE
Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years.

For your comment

The courses:

Statement of Attainment in Linux

Subjects:
o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL
o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) 
Easy Introduction for non technical people.  80% GUI 20% basic
command line.  Moms and Pops course.
o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours)
Easy Introduction to networking.  100% GUI  Install and network
a mix of OSs.  Show how nearly everything that you can do with 
Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. 
o Running Linux (72 hours)
Introduction to Linux for computer literate people.  Aimed at
people studying Computer Science at other institutions, 
administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those
who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill
in the gaps in their knowledge.
o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time
For Linux literate people.  Set up and configure Apache. Install 
and use a free database.  Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create
a Website with these tools.  Flexable delivery roject based course?
o TBA 72 hours
Your idea goes here.


Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1
o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or
LPIC 102 Exam Preparation
This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
exam LPIC 101.   
 o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or 
LPIC 101 Exam Preparation
This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
exam LPIC 102. 


 Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2
o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and 
LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification.
This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
exam LPIC 201.   
 o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and
LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification.
This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
exam LPIC 202.  
  
 Comments

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread DE LUCA Ben
I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration
of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in
shell scripting. 

There seems to be such an emphases of linux as a webserver compared to
other tasks.


On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
 Educational Allies and other dudes,
 
 A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have 
 launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
 courses.
 
 I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia
 to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification.
 
 They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE
 Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years.
 
 For your comment
 
 The courses:
 
 Statement of Attainment in Linux
 
 Subjects:
 o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
 Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL
 o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) 
 Easy Introduction for non technical people.  80% GUI 20% basic
 command line.  Moms and Pops course.
 o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours)
 Easy Introduction to networking.  100% GUI  Install and network
 a mix of OSs.  Show how nearly everything that you can do with 
 Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. 
 o Running Linux (72 hours)
 Introduction to Linux for computer literate people.  Aimed at
 people studying Computer Science at other institutions, 
 administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those
 who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill
 in the gaps in their knowledge.
 o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time
 For Linux literate people.  Set up and configure Apache. Install 
 and use a free database.  Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create
 a Website with these tools.  Flexable delivery roject based course?
 o TBA 72 hours
 Your idea goes here.
 
 
 Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1
 o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
 Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or
 LPIC 102 Exam Preparation
 This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
 exam LPIC 101.   
  o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
 Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or 
 LPIC 101 Exam Preparation
 This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
 exam LPIC 102. 
 
 
  Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2
 o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
 Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and 
 LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification.
 This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
 exam LPIC 201.   
  o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours)
 Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and
 LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification.
 This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for
 exam LPIC 202.  
   
  Comments
 
 Geoffrey
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Andar Broment

- Original Message -
From: Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux



 Educational Allies and other dudes,

 A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
 launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
 courses.

 I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia
 to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification.

 They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE
 Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years.

 For your comment

 The courses:

 Statement of Attainment in Linux
 
 Subjects:
 o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
 Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL
 o Introduction to Linux (72 hours)
 Easy Introduction for non technical people.  80% GUI 20% basic
 command line.  Moms and Pops course.
 o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours)
 Easy Introduction to networking.  100% GUI  Install and network
 a mix of OSs.  Show how nearly everything that you can do with
 Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system.
 o Running Linux (72 hours)
 Introduction to Linux for computer literate people.  Aimed at
 people studying Computer Science at other institutions,
 administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those
 who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill
 in the gaps in their knowledge.
 o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time
 For Linux literate people.  Set up and configure Apache. Install
 and use a free database.  Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create
 a Website with these tools.  Flexable delivery roject based course?
 o TBA 72 hours
 Your idea goes here.
snip, yet again

What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music composition,
Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though..

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Andar Broment
Like I said. Video editing, etc. I watch DVDs with Xine too. I find that
converting DVDs to divx/xvid is a little Faster under linux, though it's
slightly more work.

Muskie

- Original Message -
From: DE LUCA Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Andar Broment [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux


 you do AV in linux? what sorts of things do you do?


 On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:06, Andar Broment wrote:
  - Original Message -
  From: Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:40 AM
  Subject: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
 
 
  
   Educational Allies and other dudes,
  
   A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
   launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
   courses.
  
   I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in
Australia
   to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific
qualification.
  
   They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE
   Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years.
  
   For your comment
  
   The courses:
  
   Statement of Attainment in Linux
   
   Subjects:
   o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
   Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL
   o Introduction to Linux (72 hours)
   Easy Introduction for non technical people.  80% GUI 20% basic
   command line.  Moms and Pops course.
   o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours)
   Easy Introduction to networking.  100% GUI  Install and network
   a mix of OSs.  Show how nearly everything that you can do with
   Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system.
   o Running Linux (72 hours)
   Introduction to Linux for computer literate people.  Aimed at
   people studying Computer Science at other institutions,
   administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those
   who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill
   in the gaps in their knowledge.
   o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time
   For Linux literate people.  Set up and configure Apache. Install
   and use a free database.  Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create
   a Website with these tools.  Flexable delivery roject based
course?
   o TBA 72 hours
   Your idea goes here.
  snip, yet again
 
  What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music
composition,
  Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though..

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Kevin Saenz
This is an excellent step forward. It's great that the TAFE is starting
with the basics in Linux.
I would like to see how many people sign up for this course.
Also what TAFEs would this appear in?

  Statement of Attainment in Linux
  
  Subjects:
  o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
  Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL
  o Introduction to Linux (72 hours)
  Easy Introduction for non technical people.  80% GUI 20% basic
  command line.  Moms and Pops course.
  o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours)
  Easy Introduction to networking.  100% GUI  Install and network
  a mix of OSs.  Show how nearly everything that you can do with
  Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system.
  o Running Linux (72 hours)
  Introduction to Linux for computer literate people.  Aimed at
  people studying Computer Science at other institutions,
  administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those
  who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill
  in the gaps in their knowledge.
  o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time
  For Linux literate people.  Set up and configure Apache. Install
  and use a free database.  Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create
  a Website with these tools.  Flexable delivery roject based course?
  o TBA 72 hours
  Your idea goes here.
 snip, yet again


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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:04:39PM +1000, DE LUCA Ben wrote:
 I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration
 of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in
 shell scripting. 

There's no real shortage of them.  Apart from the NIS requirement (shudder) 
I could do all of those blindfolded.  s/NIS/LDAP/ and you're away.

 There seems to be such an emphases of linux as a webserver compared to
 other tasks.

I think that's because a webserver is something easily pointed to as a
service.  Most people know that web pages come from webservers.  User
information and authentication services are slightly more esoteric...

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:40:08AM +1000, Geoffrey Robertson wrote:

 Statement of Attainment in Linux
 
 Subjects:
 o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
 Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL

From my understanding, basically every TAFE course has OHS components in
it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and OHS requirements -
at least, every job my fiancee has looked at lately seems to have it.

 o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time
 For Linux literate people.  Set up and configure Apache. Install 
 and use a free database.  Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create
 a Website with these tools.  Flexable delivery roject based course?

I'd move it from proposal to definite.

 o TBA 72 hours
 Your idea goes here.

So much to choose from.  More scripting work, maybe some simple SA tasks
(backups, user administration, etc), LDAP, other network services (DNS,
mail, squid, etc).

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RE: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Jon Biddell
-=  Subjects:
-=  o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
-=  Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL
-= 
-= From my understanding, basically every TAFE course has 
-= OHS components 
-= in
-= it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and 
-= OHS requirements - at least, every job my fiancee has 
-= looked at lately seems to have it.

If she's looking at Government jobs, the standard answers are available
on the web for this...:-)

-=  o TBA 72 hours
-=  Your idea goes here.

Email setup (sendmail, procmail, fetchmail primarily), Samba integration
with Evilware clients

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[SLUG] Re: [ALLIES] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread David Lloyd

Geoffrey,

 Subjects:
 o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
 Is this necessary?  Doable by project work or RPL

Yes; one's health and safety is paramount.

 o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) 
 Easy Introduction for non technical people.  80% GUI 20% basic
 command line.  Moms and Pops course.

You should allow for an easy prior recognition here. I might want to do the
course (just to get a piece of paper) and I'd be mightily annoyed if I had
to learn how to use the GUI.

 o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours)
 Easy Introduction to networking.  100% GUI  Install and network
 a mix of OSs.  Show how nearly everything that you can do with 
 Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. 

Ok.

What prerequisites do the students/course takers/whatever their politically
correct name is these days have? That is to say, can you assume that
they'll understand:

 The samba server broadcasts on the 192.168.168.0/26 network


In general it sounds good.

The course materials...will they be free or do you intend to sell them?
(i.e. can I get a copy of them).

DSL
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:44:28PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote:
 -= it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and 
 -= OHS requirements - at least, every job my fiancee has 
 -= looked at lately seems to have it.
 
 If she's looking at Government jobs, the standard answers are available
 on the web for this...:-)

We've already got the stock answers on hand.  Local gov't jobs, mostly
(librarian).

 -=  o TBA 72 hours
 -=  Your idea goes here.
 
 Email setup (sendmail, procmail, fetchmail primarily), Samba integration
 with Evilware clients

s/sendmail/MTA/

Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation
of net.geeks.  I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it
*isn't* sendmail.

As for the Samba stuff, I think that was covered in an earlier proposed
module.

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RE: [SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat

2003-07-31 Thread Andrew Monkhouse
To: Michael Kraus [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=iso-8859-1
% mv  ./---.dat   foo.dat

Worth a try, i guess.
The readline() call stops interpreting command line options after it 
sees a -- on it's own. So you can do:

  mv -- ---.dat foo.dat

Then the ---.dat will be interpreted as a filename, not as an option.

(Now if only I could remember where that was documented, I could point 
you to the documentation).

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Laurie Savage
Flash!, Linux! please, how do you marry the two? Flash, DreamWeaver and a networked 
foxpro database remain my obstacles to a 100% Linux set up.

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:06:24 +1000
Andar Broment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music composition,
 Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though..
 
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Re: [SLUG] mv ---.dat foo.dat

2003-07-31 Thread John Clarke
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:55:32PM +1000, Andrew Monkhouse wrote:

 The readline() call stops interpreting command line options after it 
 sees a -- on it's own. So you can do:
 
mv -- ---.dat foo.dat
 
 Then the ---.dat will be interpreted as a filename, not as an option.
 
 (Now if only I could remember where that was documented, I could point 
 you to the documentation).

getopt(3)

The special argument `--' forces an end of  option-scanning
regardless of the scanning mode.


Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread John Clarke
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:50:33PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:

 Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation
 of net.geeks.  I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it
 *isn't* sendmail.

I disagree.  Everyone should be taught sendmail as an example of how
not to write an MTA :-)


Cheers,

John (a recent convert from sendmail to postfix)
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RE: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Jon Biddell
-=  Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another 
-=  generation of net.geeks.  I don't care what we *do* give 
-= them, I just 
-=  care that it
-=  *isn't* sendmail.
-= 
-= I disagree.  Everyone should be taught sendmail as an 
-= example of how not to write an MTA :-)

I agree in principle, but how many organizations are there Out There
that *are* running sendmail successfully, and don't see a need to change
it ?

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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux

2003-07-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:19:06PM +1000, John Clarke wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:50:33PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
  Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation
  of net.geeks.  I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it
  *isn't* sendmail.
 
 I disagree.  Everyone should be taught sendmail as an example of how
 not to write an MTA :-)

We came here to bury sendmail, not to praise it.

- Matt
(A sendmail.cf guru turned exim nut)
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