[SLUG] Handy CLI tool configuration trick
Hi all,
Ben -> the easiest way to kick off some high powered kickarse sharing action
is to get in first. ;-) Here's one of my favourite little unobvious handy
tricks:
Everyone knows the way to start a shell script -> you put in a 'bang path'
to the shell that you want to run your script, like this:
#!/bin/sh
echo You ran this script with these parameters:
echo " $@"
But what does it actually do? Simple answer: When you execute the script (it
must have the +x bits on), the contents of the file are piped into the bang
path program, in this case, /bin/sh. So, let's put just the last two lines
of the above script into a file ('test'), and try to get sh to run it from
stdin:
$ cat test | /bin/sh -s
You ran this script with these parameters:
Or:
$ cat test | /bin/sh -s pants
You ran this script with these parameters:
pants
So, why is this cool? It means that *any program* that can take its config
or some kind of scripting from a file can be used this way -> because stdin
is (basically) a file!
Try putting this in a file, and setting the +x bit:
#!/usr/bin/screen -c
startup_message on
hardstatus on
hardstatus alwayslastline
hardstatus string "%H %=%{..} %d/%m %C%a "
When you run it, screen will run with that configuration! My normal screenrc
settings have a blue status line, have the startup_message switched off, etc
-> but not when I run this script. :-)
Now... There are a *lot* of *nix command line tools that can take their conf
settings from a file specified on the command line. Such as mutt... vim...
So many cool things you can do, and you can just run a special command and
have them set up for special purposes. :-)
Enjoy, and post the cool stuff you do with this to the SLUG list. :-)
Thanks,
- Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:22:04PM +1100, DE LUCA Ben wrote: > I was wondering if people would like to talk about some of the things that > you might be able to do with some simple utilities that are included with > most Linux distros. > > I spent a few days over the holidays learning more about screen and I can > say it was truly worth it. I was wondering if a few people might like to > join me in discussing some of the cool things about a particular utility > each week? > > There was some talk of screen earlier this week and I wondered if we might > like to talk about some of the cool functions or even bad ones for the rest > of the week! Screen is very worthy, but pipe is da bomb! (Pipe-Bomb?) cat Zechariah\ Vulgate.txt | perl -lane'print "lynx -source http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=la\\&embed=2\\&lookup=$F[$_] | grep \\ | perl -pe \"s\/\\<.*?\\>\/;\/g; print qq[$F[0].$_;$F[$_];];\"" foreach 1..$#F' | sh | cut '-d;' -f1,2,8,13 | perl -nle'my ($vw,$mw,$dw,$dd) = split(/\;/); $dd =~ s/^Entry in $//;$dd &&= " \"$dd\"";print qq[$vw $mw : $dw$dd]' This little beauty took the Latin words from the Vulgate version of the book of Zechariah (Old Testament), plugged them into a webpage which gave the alternate meanings, ripped out the meanings and re-formatted them into one Latin word and alternate meaning per line, so my friend (PHD at Sydney Uni) could remove the wrong meanings and have a word for word translation. Pipe lets you build up programs on the command line, tie together simple tools (grep/cut/sed/awk/lynx/wget/sh/perl/convert) and see how you are going. I particularly like getting perl to print out commands which I pipe to sh. If you want to get started, try: a one-liner which sets todays dilbert comic as your background image in x. splitting a logfile into daily or hourly logfiles using grep, bc, head, tail cheers, Woody -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
DE LUCA Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There was some talk of screen earlier this week and I wondered if we might > like to talk about some of the cool functions or even bad ones for the rest > of the week! screen can be used as a login shell. But scp didn't like it, bummer, I'm testing out putting "screen -xRR" at the end of .bash_profile, I haven't noticed any problems yet. -xRR is my favourite way of starting screen, -x Attach to a not detached screen session. (Multi display mode). -x is handy with working with someone remotely who is learning the ropes, the screen is mirrored, they see what you see and type, you see what they see and type. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
> I tried to reply directly but apparently my company is filled with > SPAMERS! (Yes, I've seen this - Kevin's mail server does seem to reject a lot of mail.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ 'unf' is walking into a door. 'untz' is walking into a drum kit. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:15, DE LUCA Ben wrote: > I was going to talk about screen this week. > > One of the most useful things I think it can do is split a console up into > two viewable/able editable areas you can do this with the ctrl-S option! > > Its great for watching a log whilst you do other things on the computer. Just to continue my current obsession with obscure commands, did you know you can also do this with splitvt? :-) -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Question time & consulting
> They should be made to understand you answer some questions on SLUG when > you feel like it and there's no warranty implied. Plus, it's a share-and-share-alike community that I have enjoyed nurturing and being involved with for a long time. That counts waay more than Mister Random Phone Caller. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
I was going to talk about screen this week. One of the most useful things I think it can do is split a console up into two viewable/able editable areas you can do this with the ctrl-S option! Its great for watching a log whilst you do other things on the computer. > From: Stuart Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:47:52 +1100 (EST) > To: DE LUCA Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility > >> I was wondering if people would like to talk about >> some of the things that >> you might be able to do with some simple utilities >> that are included with >> most Linux distros. > > Quite often the Linux versions of Unix standard > programs come from the GNU project and are completely > packed with new and useful features. Two of my > favourites: > > 1) -h option (human readable) in df and du commands > 2) less pager F option to go into "tail -f" mode of > a logfile you are looking at; which can then be > changed back to regular less with an interrupt key > > Since so many Linux programs are so configurable and > options-packed it's well worth the trouble of > reading all about your favourites. > > Stuart. > > http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals > New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
I tried to reply directly but apparently my company is filled with SPAMERS! Um, I was thinking we might start with screen! its much more use than vi ! > From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Oceania > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:22:36 +1100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility > > This one time, at band camp, DE LUCA Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There was some talk of screen earlier this week and I wondered if we might >> like to talk about some of the cool functions or even bad ones for the rest >> of the week! > > Sure, lets begin with VI :) > > Kevin > > > -- > __ > (_ \ > _) ) > | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) > | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / > |_| \) \_||_| \) \) > Kevin Waterson > Port Macquarie, Australia > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Question time & consulting
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
> > Has anyone out there been receiving phone calls from external groups
> > asking for assistance on your knowledge? (saying "I saw some of your posts
> > on SLUG can you help me?") If you have, what do you do especially if you
> > are self employed?
>
> Give them your rates? :-)
>
> [ This has happened to me a number of times in the past, sometimes just
> being bothersome ("but your posts on SLUG are free!"), sometimes kicking off
> a good business relationship. For the record though, I'm not doing private
> consulting at the moment. :-) ]
Well I thought that yeah charging for the consulting would be obviously
the go. In my opinion those that say "but you post to slug for free" and
won't pay are going to be the difficult ones to extract money out of in
the end.
They should be made to understand you answer some questions on SLUG when
you feel like it and there's no warranty implied. If they want faster
service without having to work things out from the confusion of multiple
replies from people with varying expertise then they can pay for it. Same
deal getting the car fixed. You can buy all the tools, learn all the stuff
and do it yourself if you want. For that matter it's like any service
industry I guess.
I had hoped this sort of discussion would appear on the linux vendors
mailing list. See http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/vendors for info.
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[SLUG] Automating Linux
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Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
> I was wondering if people would like to talk about > some of the things that > you might be able to do with some simple utilities > that are included with > most Linux distros. Quite often the Linux versions of Unix standard programs come from the GNU project and are completely packed with new and useful features. Two of my favourites: 1) -h option (human readable) in df and du commands 2) less pager F option to go into "tail -f" mode of a logfile you are looking at; which can then be changed back to regular less with an interrupt key Since so many Linux programs are so configurable and options-packed it's well worth the trouble of reading all about your favourites. Stuart. http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
This one time, at band camp, DE LUCA Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was some talk of screen earlier this week and I wondered if we might > like to talk about some of the cool functions or even bad ones for the rest > of the week! Sure, lets begin with VI :) Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Weekly celebration of a Unix utility
I was wondering if people would like to talk about some of the things that you might be able to do with some simple utilities that are included with most Linux distros. I spent a few days over the holidays learning more about screen and I can say it was truly worth it. I was wondering if a few people might like to join me in discussing some of the cool things about a particular utility each week? There was some talk of screen earlier this week and I wondered if we might like to talk about some of the cool functions or even bad ones for the rest of the week! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LS_COLORS
> Arrghhh this is driving me mad. > I'm sure its something trivial but how does one > switch ls colors off? > I've got: > Colors=none in /etc/DIR_COLORS > $LS_COLORS='' > But it still uses colors unset LS_COLORS type $ alias ls and check that ls hasn't been aliased to some fancy colouring thing (a lot of Linux versions have $ alias ls alias ls='ls --color=tty') unalias ls will give you back the raw ls with no colouring Stuart. http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Question time
> Has anyone out there been receiving phone calls from external groups
> asking for assistance on your knowledge? (saying "I saw some of your posts
> on SLUG can you help me?") If you have, what do you do especially if you
> are self employed?
Give them your rates? :-)
[ This has happened to me a number of times in the past, sometimes just
being bothersome ("but your posts on SLUG are free!"), sometimes kicking off
a good business relationship. For the record though, I'm not doing private
consulting at the moment. :-) ]
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[SLUG] LS_COLORS
Arrghhh this is driving me mad. I'm sure its something trivial but how does one switch ls colors off? I've got: Colors=none in /etc/DIR_COLORS $LS_COLORS='' But it still uses colors TIA C. ** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. Thank You. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Question time
Hi all, Has anyone out there been receiving phone calls from external groups asking for assistance on your knowledge? (saying "I saw some of your posts on SLUG can you help me?") If you have, what do you do especially if you are self employed? Thanks Kevin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] What minimal GTK+ package is required for gconfig in 'make gconfig'
> I have juts installed libgtk2.0-0 but that didnt provide me with what was > needed. Maybe its libgtk20-dev but thats 30MB to download via a dialup. > Surely make gconfig does not need a development suite - just the shared > libs ?? > > Whats the minimum i need.??? To build stuff, you need the -dev packages. They include all the headers and such that you require. That ends up being quite a lot of stuff. :-) (make menuconfig is better anyway.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "Perdon; estoy buscando mis pantalones." - Luis Villa's Essential Spanish -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Mandrake and kernel upgrade to 2.4.24
Hi all, I have just installed kernel 2.4.24 on my mandrake box. I found an issues with the reiserfs formatted drives. The kicker is that I can't load the system unless I commit to a fs fsck with rebuild option. Has anyone come across this issue? What did you do? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] RPMs-please help
Kazik Malenczak wrote: Someone please help I have a large collection of RPMs I've amassed over time and I would like to know how I build a hdlist. I think 'genhdlist' is the appropriate command for building a hdlist. Possibly this howto could help you out: http://www.linuxworks.com.au/redhat-installer-howto.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] What minimal GTK+ package is required for gconfig in 'make gconfig'
Hi all, I am compiling 2.6 kernel but it no longer supports 'make xconfig' for Tk, i have to use make gconfig which uses GTK+ (there is alos a QT one as well) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/2.5-benh$ make gconfig make[1]: `scripts/fixdep' is up to date. /bin/sh: line 1: pkg-config: command not found * * Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0. * make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_gtkcheck] Error 1 make: *** [gconfig] Error 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/2.5-benh$ I have juts installed libgtk2.0-0 but that didnt provide me with what was needed. Maybe its libgtk20-dev but thats 30MB to download via a dialup. Surely make gconfig does not need a development suite - just the shared libs ?? Whats the minimum i need.??? -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] FW: RPMs-please help
Someone please help I have a large collection of RPMs I've amassed over time and I would like to know how I build a hdlist. Also I would appreciate it if someone could explain the difference between hdlist and synthesis.hdlist and what the .cz extension denotes. Any pointers to a good online explaination would make me very grateful. Many thanks Kaz Malenczak -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fedora
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, billb wrote: > Have downloaded the 3 Fedora iso's and tried to install. Always fails at > 3rd CD with message "unable to find install img /tmp/cdrom". > > Have downloaded iso number 3 3 times, and have burned it to 2 different > 700mb cdrws. Checksums are correct and I can read the cdrw and have in fact > copied the contents of the RPM directory to hard disk OK. > > Any help appreciated. Well, if the checksums are correct, the disks should be ok. To be paranoid, maybe try 'linux mediacheck' after booting from Fedora CD 1. > I am still trying to figure out ie how to access the > Fedora RPMs, either from CD or hard disk, using Synaptic. I think apt now has file:/// URLs you can specify in sources.list.d (or sources.list) which you can use for this purpose. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] screen(1) lovers anonymous
Jeff Waugh wrote:
Here's a cool feature that I've added to all of my ~/.screenrc files now:
hardstatus on
hardstatus alwayslastline
hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %d/%m %C%a"
It creates a status bar that has tab-like thingies which looks like this:
http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/screen-love.png
Very cool!
For something even more geeky try putting wormulon
(http://raisdorf.net/projects/wormulon) in the hardstatus line as well :)
cheers,
rob
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Re: [SLUG] screen(1) lovers anonymous
On Wed Jan 07, 2004 at 22:29:48 +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Benno wrote: > >> Neat! Now if I can just work out how to scroll in screen. (I'm I knew >> once but each time I look at the help screen i can't work it out.) > >Ctrl-A then then use VI cursor keys.. > > again to exit > >Been using Screen since like 1990 or something.. > Ahhh because to scroll you go into copy mode. Cool! Benno P.S. If you love screen(1) you'll lurve ratpoison :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] screen(1) lovers anonymous
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Benno wrote: > Neat! Now if I can just work out how to scroll in screen. (I'm I knew > once but each time I look at the help screen i can't work it out.) Ctrl-A then then use VI cursor keys.. again to exit Been using Screen since like 1990 or something.. -- Anthony Rumble ELX.com.au - Your Online Technical Supermarket BusyBits.com.au - Networking, Wireless, Cabling and Communications Store ELX: 02-8752- Busybits 02-8752-6600 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Linux tafe /Courses/
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[SLUG] Linux tafe curses
Hi all, http://slug.org.au/training.html has been updated to reflect the Linux courses run at Granville tafe this year. Course organization is at: http://gonzo.org.au Course documentation in CVS at: http://lcdp.sf.net Geoffrey Robertson, Andy Eager and Gus Lees will be teaching Linux introductory and certification courses. LPI Cert. Level 2 will be running for the first time. These classes are inexpensive and a little crowded but all are welcome. Those interested should email Geoffrey direct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] tnx, Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] screen(1) lovers anonymous
On Wed Jan 07, 2004 at 21:21:03 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>Hey,
>
>So, I found out this cool thing about screen today. While I use screen every
>day, in almost every interaction with my main terminals and on servers, I am
>obviously not a screen poweruser and being of pure energy yet. Here's a cool
>feature that I've added to all of my ~/.screenrc files now:
>
>hardstatus on
>hardstatus alwayslastline
>hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %d/%m %C%a"
>
>It creates a status bar that has tab-like thingies which looks like this:
>
> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/screen-love.png
>
>Awesome!
Neat! Now if I can just work out how to scroll in screen. (I'm I knew
once but each time I look at the help screen i can't work it out.)
Benno
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[SLUG] screen(1) lovers anonymous
Hey,
So, I found out this cool thing about screen today. While I use screen every
day, in almost every interaction with my main terminals and on servers, I am
obviously not a screen poweruser and being of pure energy yet. Here's a cool
feature that I've added to all of my ~/.screenrc files now:
hardstatus on
hardstatus alwayslastline
hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %d/%m %C%a"
It creates a status bar that has tab-like thingies which looks like this:
http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/screen-love.png
Awesome!
- Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] ssh over ADSL weeirdness
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Gottfried Szing wrote: > hi, > > > Also... what if there's a multi-path route and the packets are going both > > ways, one might be delayed sufficiently to not be picked up as a > > duplicate... but then again the TCP protocols should take care of this ... > > that's what sequence numbers are for. > > and thats also confusing me. but if (just a stupid and assumption, that > this does not work) the tcp is not handling the duplicates which can be > cause by retransmissions aso, should not the SSH protocol take care of > the integrity of the data flow? SSH is standing for secure, but shouldnt > it also check if the data is correct? Yeah that's what I meant by 'the tcp protocols should take care of this'. Anyway... since then he's worked out it's at a higher level, ie works just fine from the text console. -- -- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver & rave music lover, Big kid that refuses to grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
