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[SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Obviously this is legally a severe hindrance to me helping out / creating FOSS in the best ways I am able. I've had a bit of a look at http://www.sage-au.org.au/osda/ and a few other places, but would be interested to hear from the list about people who are/were in similar situations and/or have some good suggestions as to how I can convince my boss to add some of those nice clauses to my contract. A workmate and I have talked with him about it before but he seems to think that if we're programming in our spare time we'll be too tired or we'll be thinking about our other projects during work time. Thanks for any insights! -- Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 23:53, Michael Knight wrote: A workmate and I have talked with him about it before but he seems to think that if we're programming in our spare time we'll be too tired or we'll be thinking about our other projects during work time. Outside work it is your time and you can use it as you see fit. If you fail to perform at work then you will be eventually fired. This is unrelated to how you spend your spare time. Typically I find my investment in OSS constantly pays for itself with my company, smarter employees that know things about the industry because of an interest. Your figure it out who is better, a 9-5 person or an OSS developer. The best approach is to get the managers to sign a waver on projects that you are interested in. The other consideration is whether you were involved prior to working for the company and whether you told them in the interview. They cannot object to what they know about. My release form for OOo was signed by my company. I am not a lawyer. Mainly you will find that these agreements are not enforceable in a court of law. I have talked to a few lawyers and they say that they would not proceed with a case because it is unlikely to be resolved. So unless you directly steal from your employer (time or code) then you are fairly safe. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
This one time, at band camp, Michael Knight wrote: I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Obviously this is legally a severe hindrance to me helping out / creating FOSS in the best ways I am able. Depends on the wording. If it says during the course of your employment then you're fine, provided your free software meanderings aren't in the same marketplace as your work. Otherwise, well you shouldn't have signed it. Nearly all (IT) employers I've ever had have clauses like that in their contracts. When it's offensive (we own everything you do, ever and anywhere, while working for us) I've asked for amendments and always had them granted. The key is just to do it sensitively. Point out that you won't do anything competing (in the same area) and will do it all on your own time and equipment. My current employer actually amended their standard contract after my complaint, so now everyone (new) benefits from it. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Dans ce pays ci, c'est bon, de temps en temps, de tuer un amiral pour encourager les autres - Voltaire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
quote who=Michael Knight I've had a bit of a look at http://www.sage-au.org.au/osda/ and a few other places, but would be interested to hear from the list about people who are/were in similar situations and/or have some good suggestions as to how I can convince my boss to add some of those nice clauses to my contract. A workmate and I have talked with him about it before but he seems to think that if we're programming in our spare time we'll be too tired or we'll be thinking about our other projects during work time. I wonder if your boss understands that programmers who are passionate about their skill/art are often better and more agile than their coder-by-day-only counterparts? I wonder if your boss hires programmers based on resumés only, or whether he gathers a very solid overview of the prospective employee's technical and soft skills by looking at their public output and involvement in Open Source projects? I wonder if your boss would be interested in free, off-the-clock training and research for his staff? I wonder if your boss has a detailed knowledge of the Open Source software available that relates to the company's field of endeavour, and whether it can help the company achieve its goals faster and cheaper - or that it could be a direct threat! What I do off-the-clock has huge benefits for the company I work for, both directly (my knowledge, research and interest can inform the company) and indirectly (what I learn in my own time makes me more productive and useful on company time). Employers who are ignoring Open Source, or restricting their staff from being involved in it, are losing out in so many ways! :-) - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ I'm just mucking round down the shallow end of the literary pool, I suppose. - Mick Molloy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Invitation to IPSI-2004 VENICE and IPSI-2004 PRAGUE, vip/ka
Dear Dr. Slug, This is an invitation for you to attend two IPSI BgD multidisciplinary and interdisciplinary conferences, one in Venice, and one in Prague, as follows: IPSI-2004 VENICE Venice, Italy (arrival: 10.11.2004. departure: 14.11.2004.) Deadlines: 15 June 2004 (abstract) + 1 August 2004 (full paper). IPSI-2004 PRAGUE Prague, Czeck Republic (arrival: 11.12.2004. departure: 14.12.2004.). Deadlines: 15 July 2004 (abstract) + 1 September 2004 (full papers) If you like to obtain more information on both conferences, please reply to this email. All IPSI BgD conferences are non-profit! They bring together the elite of the world science (so far, 7 times a Nobel Laureate was talking at the opening ceremony), and they take place in the leading hotels of the world. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Internet, Computer Science and Engineering, Management and Business Administration, Education, e-Medicine, Electrical Engineering, Bioengineering, Environment Protection, and e-Economy. Sincerely Yours, Prof. V. Milutinovic, Chairman PS - If you plan to submit an abstract/paper, let us know immediately. If you are not able to attend now, but you like to be informed about the future IPSI BgD conferences, please let us know. If you do not like to receive future invitations, let us know, as well! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
As Simon said, it depends on the wording. My employment contract _was_ sufficiently vague that they could claim rights to one's gourmet pizza recipes developed at home if they wanted. I had a couple of meetings with my boss and HR and had the wording changed for my whole department (we're a development team), so that it was specific to employment related stuff. I also obtained an addendum for myself allowing me to continue to run my own business on my own time (this was unofficially OK'ed previously, but I thought it best to get it in writing). There was no conflict of interest, and HR could see the outside work stuff as being complimentary in terms of skills, without being an IP or on the job performance threat. If your contract says during the course of your employment, then you'll have to do you FOSS stuff out of hours, unless you get those nice clauses (which can be tricky). I am not a lawyer, - Rog -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Knight Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:53 PM To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Obviously this is legally a severe hindrance to me helping out / creating FOSS in the best ways I am able. I've had a bit of a look at http://www.sage-au.org.au/osda/ and a few other places, but would be interested to hear from the list about people who are/were in similar situations and/or have some good suggestions as to how I can convince my boss to add some of those nice clauses to my contract. A workmate and I have talked with him about it before but he seems to think that if we're programming in our spare time we'll be too tired or we'll be thinking about our other projects during work time. Thanks for any insights! -- Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietarysoftware
My company basically owns my IT brain while I am employed for them, so anything I develop in an area of HP's business is considered theirs. This might seem restricting to some, but they do have a specific program which allows HP employees to register their involvement in OSS projects. Involvement of course if reviewed to ensure that investment in development of proprietary IP (intellectual property) isn't fritted away. I imagine community benefit versus opportunity to sell a product is always the consideration. Approved projects of import are recognised by linking at the http://opensource.hp.com site. Also employees are encouraged to submit any inventions they have which are reviewed and submitted for possible for development and subsequent recognition. I would imagine that most enlightened companies might have a similar approach. Assuming that your employer is providing you opportunities to develop and grow your knowledge and skills (and not stifling them) it seems only fair that they own a the IP in your head, and should get first option as far as its use. (Of course this isn't an official HP position, just my view from where I sit) Martin Martin Visser ,CISSP Network and Security Consultant Technology Infrastructure - Consulting Integration HP Services 3 Richardson Place North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia Phone: +61-2-9022-1670 Mobile: +61-411-254-513 Fax: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail: martin.visserAThp.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
Michael Knight wrote: Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Then you should (a) not have signed that contract, and (b) check to see if it's enforceable. I suspect it is, which is why I've declined to sign such contracts in the past. Also if your boss has an assumption that it covers out of hours work on your own projects, that assumption needs to be tested legally before you do any open source work, or any other work of any kind, including reading or posting to this mailing list! Yes, the possibility is that if someone posts a technical question on this mailing list, and you post a good answer, that answer becomes the property of your boss, as does any invention that arises from that answer, even if developed by someone else, even if they have not read your answer. I'd go talk to Brendan Scott from Open Source Law: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might cost you money but it might save your arse. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
It's an tricky area. If I employed a person and found all/some of the work I paid them to write ended up in an OSS project they were also part of, I might be rightfully upset. On the other hand, having employees learn and develop on OSS projects makes them much better employees. I would want all development, support and testers to also contribute back somewhere in the process. Tricks learnt in their own free time are just as applicable to corpname as to the OSS project. I would never want to discourage that work. I would probably be more than happy with parts of an application they were writing being used in OSS projects but parts definately off-limits. That is unless I can finally resolve a decent business model for an OSS software business application house. eg. Order Entry App. Tricky but generic print routine - OSS OK Specific Order Entry Screen - Not OSS OK Framework for dev - maybe/maybe not OSS OK See the mess? Solution: Potentially libraries (jars) are used to funnel the OSS from the proprietary. This of course prohibits embedding GPL libs in the app but enables LGPL or BSD style. (I think) The whole business model for a 'software house' is not necessarily there in FOSS/OSS yet. Please, please contradict me. Just some thoughts. Stu On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 10:02, Del wrote: Michael Knight wrote: Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Then you should (a) not have signed that contract, and (b) check to see if it's enforceable. I suspect it is, which is why I've declined to sign such contracts in the past. Also if your boss has an assumption that it covers out of hours work on your own projects, that assumption needs to be tested legally before you do any open source work, or any other work of any kind, including reading or posting to this mailing list! Yes, the possibility is that if someone posts a technical question on this mailing list, and you post a good answer, that answer becomes the property of your boss, as does any invention that arises from that answer, even if developed by someone else, even if they have not read your answer. I'd go talk to Brendan Scott from Open Source Law: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might cost you money but it might save your arse. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
quote who=Stuart Guthrie The whole business model for a 'software house' is not necessarily there in FOSS/OSS yet. Please, please contradict me. Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ Echidnas, or at least the ones I've met, don't have joy. Adults very rarely have joy. Kids have hyperkinetic nuclear joy in abundance. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete copyright on their works, it is a lot more difficult to build a profitable system combining other peoples work with your own :-), not impossible but more difficult.. you can't do what Troll and MySQL do to stay afloat which is dual license your code for profit, if Trolltech were to license under the LGPL they would probably sink.. Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:31, Dave Airlie wrote: Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete copyright on their works, I think you're confusing copyright with licensing. Most OSS programs are copyright their author (maybe the FSF if you trust 'em). They are, however, licensed to the General Public. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
quote who=Dave Airlie Trolltech? MySQL? There's a pretty big list of profitable software companies that release their golden geese under FOSS licenses. (FOSS == Free and Open Source Software, you don't have to say FOSS/OSS.) You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete copyright on their works, it is a lot more difficult to build a profitable system combining other peoples work with your own :-), not impossible but more difficult. The distros neatly fall into that category. (Plus, MySQL was Free Software from the start.) you can't do what Troll and MySQL do to stay afloat which is dual license your code for profit, if Trolltech were to license under the LGPL they would probably sink.. Not necessarily. If they maintained a benevolent leadership of the codebase, they would most likely maintain the upper hand in related products and services, too. Customers willing to spend money go to the experts. They may have to change tack somewhat to scale up internationally (partnering and so on). Remember, people build business models based on contributions to *other people's* Free Software projects, too. :-) - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ We are peaking sexually when they are peaking. And two peaks makes a hell of a good mount. - SMH -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:31, Dave Airlie wrote: You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete copyright on their works, I think you're confusing copyright with licensing. Most OSS programs are copyright their author (maybe the FSF if you trust 'em). They are, however, licensed to the General Public. He's talking specifically about MySQL and Trolltech, which I presume from his post developed their software in-house, and which therefore do own the copyright. The model he's talking about is this: Develop software in-house. Own full copyright. (Presumably require contributors to assign copyright or disallow outside contributors.) Release it under a FOSS licence. Due to copyright ownership, retain ability to give additional licences (perhaps non-Free) away, possibly in return for money, goods or services as you see fit. The way Trolltech's QT business model works is that if you want to distribute a project that uses QT without GPLing your project, then they will sell you a non-GPL (and presumably non-Free) commerical QT licence. If you want to use QT without paying for it, accept the terms of the GPL licence they release it under. So, there's no confusion of copyright and licencing here. You want to make money from Free Software by releasing it under a Free licence and selling other licences to people who don't like the terms of the Free one? Well, you need to own all the copyright to do that, or convince the copyright owners to let you do this. (Of course, people can fork the Free one and refuse to assign copyright to you, but they don't get to use this model.) Copyright is the ability to control copying of a work: ie the ability to licence it as you see fit. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 12:04, Mary Gardiner wrote: On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Mike MacCana wrote: On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:31, Dave Airlie wrote: You do have to note that these are companies that started with complete copyright on their works, I think you're confusing copyright with licensing. Most OSS programs are copyright their author (maybe the FSF if you trust 'em). They are, however, licensed to the General Public. He's talking specifically about MySQL and Trolltech, which I presume from his post developed their software in-house, and which therefore do own the copyright. The model he's talking about is this: Develop software in-house. Own full copyright. (Presumably require contributors to assign copyright or disallow outside contributors.) Release it under a FOSS licence. Due to copyright ownership, retain ability to give additional licences (perhaps non-Free) away, possibly in return for money, goods or services as you see fit. The way Trolltech's QT business model works is that if you want to distribute a project that uses QT without GPLing your project, then they will sell you a non-GPL (and presumably non-Free) commerical QT licence. If you want to use QT without paying for it, accept the terms of the GPL licence they release it under. So, there's no confusion of copyright and licencing here. You want to make money from Free Software by releasing it under a Free licence and selling other licences to people who don't like the terms of the Free one? Well, you need to own all the copyright to do that, or convince the copyright owners to let you do this. (Of course, people can fork the Free one and refuse to assign copyright to you, but they don't get to use this model.) Copyright is the ability to control copying of a work: ie the ability to licence it as you see fit. Yes, but most people 'start out' with complete copyright on their works. Either the point was moot or he was confused. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:18, Stuart Guthrie wrote: It's an tricky area. too right!! If I employed a person and found all/some of the work I paid them to write ended up in an OSS project they were also part of, I might be rightfully upset. well I believe this is actually theft.. if you lift a source directory from your employer and it magically becomes part of an OSS project (or your own proprietary project) without their permission then you have really stolen the code.. if you go to work and during some downtime you start coding OSS (or your own proprietary project) stuff without you employer's permission then surely this is a form of theft also.. after all you are being paid to work for your employer.. on the other hand if while you are at work and you learn a technique that allows you to write faster, leaner, more maintainable and more efficient code and you take this technique home and write a routine incorporating this technique, because you have coded it from scratch, is this still theft? is this technique you have learnt while in the employ of your employer your employer's IP or a 'trick of the trade' that you have been taught? where is the line drawn, is it drawn at the 'hey, you work for me now, you can't even turn on a PC unless I say so because I taught you how to do that!!' or is it the 'hey, see the way that order detail screen interacts with that order header, that looks very much like the one you wrote for us last month'.. are all of these 'tricks of the trade', the experiences you have during your working career part of what makes you a proficient tradesman (an IT resource)? can a company (or anyone for that matter) restrict your trade? one of the things that did come out of the superleague debacle all those years ago was that although all of those 1st grade players had iron-clad contracts with the ARL, when those contracts were put to test against the provisions of the trade practices act, well.. we had superleague and now we have NRL.. stealing code (even code your employer has paid you to write).. well that has to be theft.. stealing your employers time.. not much difference there.. implementing a programming technique (trick of the trade).. that is very tricky.. On the other hand, having employees learn and develop on OSS projects makes them much better employees. I would want all development, support and testers to also contribute back somewhere in the process. Tricks learnt in their own free time are just as applicable to corpname as to the OSS project. I would never want to discourage that work. I would probably be more than happy with parts of an application they were writing being used in OSS projects but parts definately off-limits. That is unless I can finally resolve a decent business model for an OSS software business application house. eg. Order Entry App. Tricky but generic print routine - OSS OK Specific Order Entry Screen - Not OSS OK Framework for dev - maybe/maybe not OSS OK See the mess? Solution: Potentially libraries (jars) are used to funnel the OSS from the proprietary. This of course prohibits embedding GPL libs in the app but enables LGPL or BSD style. (I think) The whole business model for a 'software house' is not necessarily there in FOSS/OSS yet. Please, please contradict me. Just some thoughts. Stu On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 10:02, Del wrote: Michael Knight wrote: Hi guys, I'm currently employed as a web developer/sys-admin for a small business. My employment contract basically states pretty clearly that anything I `invent' during the course of my employment becomes the property of the company. Then you should (a) not have signed that contract, and (b) check to see if it's enforceable. I suspect it is, which is why I've declined to sign such contracts in the past. Also if your boss has an assumption that it covers out of hours work on your own projects, that assumption needs to be tested legally before you do any open source work, or any other work of any kind, including reading or posting to this mailing list! Yes, the possibility is that if someone posts a technical question on this mailing list, and you post a good answer, that answer becomes the property of your boss, as does any invention that arises from that answer, even if developed by someone else, even if they have not read your answer. I'd go talk to Brendan Scott from Open Source Law: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might cost you money but it might save your arse. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Autofs probs with 6 in 1 card reader
Hi Dave, I've got it linking the devices /dev/sda - /dev/sdd. I just can't get autofs to detect that there's media there to automount it. That site will come in handy though for if I get a firewire drive and try and do the same thing with that. Cheers, Paul - Original Message - From: David Kempe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Autofs probs with 6 in 1 card reader Paul Robinson wrote: files and CD's show up ok, but the smart media doesn't. Is it something to do with the devices being scsi devices that won't allow them to be auto detected? I dunno about this particular problem, but I have had to use the rescan-scsi-bus.sh script when using firewire drives under linux. it scans for and add scsi devices so you can mount them. you can find it off linux1394.org i think dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Looking for Voice Modem recommendations
Sluggers, I'm looking for recommendations for voice modems under linux for use with a vgetty based application. I say modems because I'm not looking for data or fax modulation I'm only interested the voice capability and quality for an automated message system. I've looked on the vgetty supported modem list but that is old and most of the modems are not available in Aus. Something like the Dialogic D4/PCI card is a bit more than I want because it's a telephone device that doesn't speak AT commands but comes with it's own drivers and 'C' API and definitely won't work with vgetty. Would prefer a 4in1 PCI card rather than using external modems but at this point beggers can't be... TIA's P. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004, Roger Barnes wrote: If you learn a technique to _do_ something, then I think that is a skill that belongs to you, in your head. (We might be entering the evil, murky patent territory here, run for it!) I don't think it's so much patents as this kind of scenario: you work for a closed source operating systems vendor. You develop some kind of nifty scheduling algorithm, your own idea but not an idea you could have had without knowledge you've gained because of your acquaintance with the code in the operating system you work on, and work team members have done. Can you then, on your own time and equipment, legally reimplement that functionality and contribute it to the Linux kernel? Even if your company does not patent it? Can you do this after you've resigned? This is the kind of grey area where many employers would like to claim your ideas as their intellectual property: it's your idea but based on their existing work. Many contracts I've seen will explicitly require you to sign this kind of IP over to avoid any confusion (at which point your reimplementation may become a violation of trade secret stuff), but this would conflict with your my technique, my property intuition. Employers like to control more than just the copyright of what you produce. There seem to be several approaches FOSS developers take here but mostly it seems to be: make it clear to relevant parties that you do outside software development (technical writing, whatever), and go through their conflict of interest procedures, formal or informal, and get something in writing; maintain a clear boundary between work hacking (OS scheduling) and home development (3D graphics); or get a contract that is clear and generous about what is and isn't your employer's property in the first place. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Developing FOSS while employed developing proprietary software
I'd just like to say that this has been one of the most interesting, informative, rational and useful discussions I have yet seen on this topic anywhere. My compliments to Michael for asking such an insightfully prepared question, and to Ken, Simon, Jeff, Del, Stuart, Paul, Dave, Mike, Mary, Roger, and Martin for their views. Go SLUG! AfC Toronto -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] openpkg
Hi people Does anyone have any experience in installing openpkg for debian sarge? When I try using the woody script that comes with kolab (openpkg-20030606-20030606.ix86linux2.4-kol.sh) I receive several errors, eg + $'\r' : command not found20030606.ix86-linux2.4-kol.sh line 26: I'm using kernel 2.4.25-1-386 Any help appreciated. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Cloning LINUX ghost 7.5 linux ....will ver. 7.5 support Redhat9 with lilo boot loader
Cloning LINUX Hi all Useful table for reference on link below. It appears that Ghost ver 8 supports GRUB Redhat9 with filesystem EXT3. Has anyone had success with ver 7.5 Redhat9 with a lilo boot loader ? THe table excludes ver 7.5 Redhat9! http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/e44a397a948bb43e85256952006d83d1/b343f521f647fd1b88256caf00755887?OpenDocumentsrc=""> Also is there any product in linux that is as feature rich as ghost ? cheers Roger -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Cloning LINUX ghost 7.5 linux ....will ver. 7.5 support Redhat9 with lilo boot loader
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 03:49:46PM +1000, The Salisburys wrote: http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/e44a397a948bb43e85256952006d83d1/b343f521f647fd1b88256caf00755887?OpenDocumentsrc=bar_sch_nam Also is there any product in linux that is as feature rich as ghost ? Don't know about feature rich but dd works well. You can also combine it with split, gzip, bzip2 and cdrecord if need be. -- Red herrings strewn hither and yon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
