Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
; For what it is worth, when i hassled Westpac, they actually personally ; phoned and mailed me with an apology and a promise that they are actually ; working on making their website fully standards compliant. So far nothing ; has changed, but I live in hope. If you don't hassle them, they will keep ; taking the line of least resistance. Speaking of which, I just hassled some poor support guy from st george who couldn't really wrap his mind around the concept of standards, just err we don't support that. The problem is the people you talk to have no contact with the code and refuse to put you in touch someone who is familiar enough with it to be useful. I also encourage people to ring up and hassle them, the justification he kept giving was their numbers show only a tiny proportion of people use firefox. That certainly won't be true for long, even if that's the case now. They seem to be running something called 'browserhawk' but at version 7-something. http://www.cyscape.com/support/kb/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=854 It looks like they need to upgrade to version 8 which the vendor also endorses. I've cc'd stgeorge on this, let's hope they pay attention. r. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Using AIDE for a remote server.
Hi all I am using AIDE Advanced Intrusion Detection Env. on a remote server. Normally to use aide one runs the program to create the database and then regularly use aide in check mode to compare what you now have with the database. The docs strongly suggest that you remove the aide.conf file, the aide.db and the aide binary from the machine and place it on removable media. When you want to check the system in goes the floppy or CD and away you check. That isnt possible on a remote server. My aide files from the server are on a memory stick and I have written a bash script that uses scp to scp them to the server as step 1. An SSH agent is setup so its non-interactive during the copy. Step 2 is a log into the server via ssh and change into the aide_files directory and run the check program. Step 3 uses the bash script again to scp down the report and any new aide.db from any update. Step 4 on the remote server is to remove the files there. Can I somehow include the execution of the aide check as part 2 of the same bash script so I dont have to ssh in manually? That way I just run the bash script as steps 1., 2., 3. And also run step 4 remotely as well? If its easier to run it will get run more often. The script is attached as Mozilla messes up the formatting. Mike -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. #!/bin/bash # Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment # Copy files over to remote machine for checking/updating # # Procedure # - # # 1. Run this script and select option 1. # # 2. logon to remote machine and run the check script. # then run the remove script. # # 3. Run this script and select option 2. # # This will copy across all files i.e. aide.conf, aide.db and my customised # aide check/update script to be run on remote machine. remote_machine='blah' echo echo ' *' echo ' * Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment *' echo ' * *' echo ' * Select an option for AIDE *' echo ' * *' echo ' * Q or q to quit*' echo ' *' echo # The normal shell variable contains #? , replace this. PS3='Choice: ' echo Copy aide files ... exec_list=To_remote_machine From_remote_machine select exec in $exec_list; do if [ $REPLY = 1 ]; then # Copy files TO remote machine echo copying files to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:... scp /memstick/aide_files/aide [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/aide scp /memstick/aide_files/aide.conf [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/aide.conf scp /memstick/aide_files/aide.db [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/aide.db scp /memstick/aide_files/check [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/check scp /memstick/aide_files/remove[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/remove exit 0 elif [ $REPLY = 2 ]; then # Copy files FROM remote machine to back here the report any new db from an update. echo copying files from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:... to here ... scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/report /memstick/aide_files/report scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/mikel/aide_files/aide.db /memstick/aide_files/aide.db exit 0 elif [ $REPLY = q ] || [ $REPLY = Q ] ; then exit 0 else echo Invalid selection try again... fi done -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
I currently can't get into the St George online banking with IE6, WinXP
and Sun Java. First it came up with some javascript errors when it tried
to popup the login screen. They when I finally got that and logged on, the
whole java session crashed.
I use Firefox 1.0PR with a IE6 WinXP user agent and I get in successfully.
Very annoying.
The worst thing about St George not supporting Linux is that it used to
work without any useragent spoofing and since the upgrade, I can't see any
reason why they still didn't besides some broken code which they can't be
bothered to update.
Russell Davies said:
; I used do do this stuff for various clients including the oil industry..
; and managed to keep interactive websites (orders, registrations, remote
; website updates..) operable and bulletproof with complex javascript etc.
; for the current AND previous versions of IE, NS, Opera, Knoqueror, on
; Win, Linux, Mac... all by myself. If they didn't work they could cause a
; shareholderor director to ring up and give me or the oil company an
; earful, which was a suboptimal outcome. So I struggle to belive that
; these genius graduate software engineers struggle with it. Trouble is
; I've forgotton all the technical stuff now and do other things. I'll let
; it drop here.
ok -- this is ridiculous. I've just tried st george with firefox,
Error: document.bhjvmd.getJavaVendor is not a function
Source File: https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/html/redirect.asp
Line: 11
source:
HTMLHEAD
!-- These scripts are provided under the terms of the BrowserHawk license
agreement
and may not be copied or used otherwise. [7, 0, 1, Enterprise] See
cyscape.com for details.
Copyright (C) 1999-2003 cyScape, Inc. All rights reserved.
--
noscriptmeta http-equiv=refresh content=0;
url=/html/redirect.asp?bhjs=0/noscript
script language=JavaScript
!--
function bhawkTest() {
var bhjv = escape('Java N/A');
if (document.bhjvmd) bhjv = escape(document.bhjvmd.getJavaVendor());
var rs = bhjv=+bhjv;
if (document.cookie.indexOf(bhCookieSess=1) != -1) {
document.cookie = bhResults=+rs+; path=/;
document.cookie = bhPrevResults=+rs+; path=/;
if (document.cookie.indexOf(bhResults) != -1)
self.location.replace(/html/redirect.asp?bhcp=1);
else self.location.replace(/html/redirect.asp?+rs+bhqs=1);
}
else self.location.replace(/html/redirect.asp?+rs+bhqs=1);
}
// --
/script
/headtitle/title
noscriptbody onLoad=bhawkTest();/noscript
scriptdocument.write('body onLoad=bhawkTest();');/script
script language=JavaScript
!--
if (navigator.javaEnabled()) document.write('applet
code=JVMDetector.class name=bhjvmd width=1 height=1param
name=legal value=This is copyrighted software and provided under
license cyScape, Inc. (www.cyscape.com). All rights
reserved./applet');
// --
/script
/body/html
Does anybody know someone who works for these geniuses? There's no
reason this crap shouldn't work no matter what browser/platform you
happen to be on, isn't this the entire point of Java?
r.
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Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
On Tue, October 26, 2004 3:43 pm, David said: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Howard Lowndes wrote: On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:50, Rod Butcher wrote: Sluggers, I started off having to spoof my Firefox browser as Moz 1 Win98 to do St George internet banking. That stopped working so I used IE 5 Mac. That now crashes and I have to use IE6 Win XP. There is as pattern here .. and in the US i believe it would warrant antitrust / racketeering / cartel / wirefraud investigation. Anybody got any real facts on this ? Ockams Razor (paraphrased): Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be easily attributed to stupidity. occam's razor if there are many possible answers to a question, the simplest one is usually correct... Then again.. that's probably the same thing. They have XP on their desktop, so obviously they think everyone else must have to. Much more likely than a conspiracy. OTOH, it suits M$ to be non-standard, so there isn't much likelihood that they will discourage this behaviour. Similar issue with the Department of Education and their Back to School Allowance. It is an Access Database that you import the details into then export a file to disk. SOme genius decided that it would be a good idea to allow them to be emailed back - cept the option to still save to disk comes after the automated email link, and that won't work unless you have MS OUtlook installed, so instead you get an 'Error 498398' and you can't export the file to send in! The programmers response was that all I have to do is to install Outlook as my default email client and it will work - I declined the offer. This is an example of stupid or lazy programming rather than conspiracy. I believe the higher ups have told the programmer to fix it. -- Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramatta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Rod Butcher wrote: Sluggers, I started off having to spoof my Firefox browser as Moz 1 Win98 to do St George internet banking. That stopped working so I used IE 5 Mac. That now crashes and I have to use IE6 Win XP. There is as pattern here .. and in the US i believe it would warrant antitrust / racketeering / cartel / wirefraud investigation. Anybody got any real facts on this ? Can you give more info? Did it work before? What distro/kernel version/GCC version/java/firefox version are you running. Have you done any changes to your machine recently? Kernel upgrades, java upgrades etc? I've had a running dialog with people in StG for a while on this - if I can give some more information, maybe I can get someone in there to wake up to the fact that they are, in fact, pissing off a lot of customers with this pig headed lack of testing on other platforms beside WindoZe. Anyone got contacts at the newspapers? I'm sure AustralianIT would love to know that just as the NSW government is putting out tenders for Linux, a major bank is writing an internet application that won't run on Linux, and disallows a good portion of the community access to internet banking. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Software Patents Forum - please RSVP
Hi all, Please see below for the details about the first Open Source Forum being run by Linux Australia and OSIA. We are planning on running these every 2 months, and highlighting topical and relevant issues. We are looking at running one on the desktop, working for government, and other topics are welcome. Please see below for details and... ...MAKE SURE YOU RSVP! We have limited spots :) If you wish to attend, please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: [RSVP] Software forum: patents. Cheers, Pia Open Source Forum Software Patents Linux Australia in collaboration with the Open Source Industry Association (OSIA) and the Baker McKenzie Cyberspace Law and Policy Centre at UNSW is proud to present the first Open Source Forum, which will deal with the increasingly important, but often misunderstood, issue of software patents. The Open Source Forums will be short and focused seminars on topical developments in the Open Source field. It is intended that each seminar will include presentations from invited speakers who will represent a range of views. The forums will also provide an opportunity for all Open Source participants to express their views. The Forums are intended to provide Open Source participants, including small businesses, with an opportunity to get the benefit of a range of views from leaders in the relevant fields and to contribute to the debate on topical developments of relevance to the Open Source movement. The Forum on Software Patents will be hosted by Baker McKenzie's Sydney office on: Wednesday, 3 November 2004, 12:30pm at: Baker McKenzie Level 27, AMP Centre 50 Bridge Street Sydney NSW 2000. The program for the Forum will be: 12:30: Introduction and Welcome Pia Smith, Linux Australia 12:35: Patents and Open Source Licences Derek Neve and John MacPhail, Baker McKenzie 12:50: How The Australian Patent System Works Bob Kemp, R. E. Kemp Co Pty Limited 13:00: An Industry Perspective: Les Bell, Open Source Industry Association 13:10: An Industry Perspective: Craig Laughton or Greg Keiser, Novell Australia 13:20: An Open Source Patent Experience: Rproxy, Rusty Russell, Linux Australia 13:30: Roundtable discussions 14:30: Close Attendance is free and a light lunch will be provided. We look forward to your participation. If you wish to attend, please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: [RSVP] Software forum: patents. For further details see http://www.bakercyberlawcentre.org/software/patents.htm We are aiming to run these every 2 months and are open to suggestions for topics. Please send any suggestions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Pia Smith President of Linux Australia http://linux.org.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:44:05 +1000 Jon Austin wrote: Yes, it is the point, but MS managed to fracture that with their own JVM implementation which is not 100% compatible with code written for Sun JVM and vice versa. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:40:16 +1000, Russell Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know someone who works for these geniuses? There's no reason this crap shouldn't work no matter what browser/platform you happen to be on, isn't this the entire point of Java? JavaScript and Java are two totally separate languages. There are very few common features. rant Sun have been pilloried for not open sourcing Java. The major reason that they have refused is because of what Microsoft and Netscape did with the JavaScript language. Right now Sun own the Java name, and can ensure that no company can release something that they call Java which does not meet the standards set by Sun, which includes the write once, run anyway promise. This does not mean that other companies cannot write Java compilers / interpreters (Kaffe, IBM's JDK, jikes, ...), however it does mean that when Microsoft tried to produce a version of Java which would produce code that would only run on Microsoft platforms, Sun were able to successfully take them to court and forced them to stop using the Java name (it became Visual J++ which has been wiped out by C#). /rant The problem you are experiencing is with the JavaScript language, which Microsoft and Netscape deliberately added their own proprietary enhancements to the standard. There is a standard though, and good JavaScript programmers can write code within that standard and/or write small alternate blocks of code that can work in multiple browsers. The problem is getting good JavaScript programmers - it is like getting good VB programmers: too many people can claim that they are a programmer without knowing the first thing about programming. Regards, Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu Linux
Title: Ubuntu Linux Gday, I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. Always interested in something new I have since installed it about three times and its pretty nice. Its a single CD package. Aimed squarly at the desktop user it asks about 3 questions for a complete install. Autoconfiguring X Windows, using latest Gnome and all the major apps, OpenOffice, Firefox, Evolution etc. The interesting part is its pedigree. The supporting company is called Canonical software. One of whos founders paid for a space flight. They have 40 developers, up from 3 in March. A number of well known debian developers have been retained. There is a large userbase, growing faster than I can count. The ubuntu-users mailing list is sending me 10 digests on average in one day. And they will ship you CD's of each release for free, anywhre in the world. In fact they encourage you to order more than one CD to give to your friends. Strange but all true. Take a look for yourself. Regards Kevin Davies -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
Russell Davies wrote: snipped ok -- this is ridiculous. I've just tried st george with firefox, snipped HTMLHEAD !-- These scripts are provided under the terms of the BrowserHawk license agreement and may not be copied or used otherwise. [7, 0, 1, 0 Enterprise] See cyscape.com for details. Copyright (C) 1999-2003 cyScape, Inc. All rights reserved. Upgrade or perish. According to cyScape's website, version 8.0 or later is required to fully support both Firefox and IE 6 with SP2. Of course, this doesn't explain why I have to convince the site I'm using Opera on XP. Cheers, Malcolm V. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
Simon Bryan wrote: snip Similar issue with the Department of Education and their Back to School Allowance. It is an Access Database that you import the details into then export a file to disk. SOme genius decided that it would be a good idea to allow them to be emailed back - cept the option to still save to disk comes after the automated email link, and that won't work unless you have MS OUtlook installed, so instead you get an 'Error 498398' and you can't export the file to send in! The programmers response was that all I have to do is to install Outlook as my default email client and it will work - I declined the offer. This is an example of stupid or lazy programming rather than conspiracy. I believe the higher ups have told the programmer to fix it. You may be waiting a while for this to happen. The DET have an agreement with Microsoft which they have recently re-signed. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:49:36 +1000 Kevin Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday, I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. Sorry Kevin, but have you been asleep under a rock for the last year? Three of our fellow SLUGers (jdub, rob collins and andrew bennets) are involved in this effort. Jdub spoke about it at the last SLUG meeting. Its been mentioned on this list a dozen times or more. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ `[Microsoft] are in the business of giving customers exactly what they ask for, which sounds like a nice idea until you realize that most Microsoft customers are idiots.' --- Eugene O'Neil on comp.os.linux.development.system -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Multiple swap partitions update
just to let folks know that I implemented the multiple parallel swap partition idea from http://www.fiveanddime.net/ss/swap.htm as mentioned by Roger Barnes.. Sweep now goes like a rat up a drainpipe loading the input file into 1-2 gigs of swap. The /etc/fstab entries :- /dev/hdc7 none swap sw,pri=3 0 0 (both SATA drives) /dev/hda5 none swap sw,pri=3 0 0 Thans Roger others for responding. Rod -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Swap file performance tuning ?
>From what Im reading on the hardware sites SATA doesnt give you any performance gain unless the South Bridge is PCIe normal PCI just doesnt have the bandwidth. Using ATA66-100 hardisk would give you the same performance (with a decent cache). So if your looking for cracking speed with SATA with a south bridge thats PCI your wasting your time. The only real thing you can do is try making swap the second partition from Zero Cylinder or use prelinking. Only other thing that comes to mind is buy a small SCSI 320 hardisk and use that for swap and /usr. Also run hdparm /dev/hda bet your still running in 16 bit mode and maybe DMA isnt enabled.. On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 13:57, Rod Butcher wrote: Sluggers, I have 1 gig ram and 4 gig Swap on a Sata drive... performance when using memory-hogs like Sweep audio editor is great while it's using ram, but slows to a crawl once it starts using swap... not just Sweep but any app. Is this normal, or can I tune this in some way ? (I've spent my hardware budget for the next 3 years so no more ram). thanks Rod --- Brought to you by a thunderbird, penguin, gnu and a camel Regards Richard Neal Kryten Cat: Hey, I got it! We laser our way through!? Kryten: Ah, an excellent suggestion, Sir, with just two minor drawbacks. One, we don't have a power source for the lasers, and two, we don't have any lasers. - Cat and Kryten, White Hole ( Red Dwarf ) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux
quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. Sorry Kevin, but have you been asleep under a rock for the last year? Three of our fellow SLUGers (jdub, rob collins and andrew bennets) are involved in this effort. Jdub spoke about it at the last SLUG meeting. Its been mentioned on this list a dozen times or more. [ I did the talk about Ubuntu at SAGE-NSW, too. I'm glad Kevin was still intrigued, I was very ill that night. ;-) ] - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australia http://lca2005.linux.org.au/ Is your sense of identity inextricably bound to a large prime? - Michael Meeks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Browser compatibility, while were on the subject.
I have done a bit of work for some automotive dealerships, but a few things hold some back from shifting to Firefox as the primary browser. The following link: http://dealerext.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/ will only display as a plain/text in firefox, mozilla, konqueror, and opera. Yet it displays fine in ie. The Holden dealer website requires the MicrosoftVM, which is not even supported or shipped with windows anymore. And in the Hyundai service website, http://www.hyundaiservice.com.au/ , the second line of the navigation bar does not appear. But I think that is a broken CSS issue. Regards, Karl Bowden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Update: Re: St George Internet Banking
On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 19:47 +0200, Mary Gardiner wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2004, Mary Gardiner wrote: Can other St George users tell me if they're experiencing problems, or if not, what their settings are? OK, thanks to the help of someone off-list, the following seems to work: 1. Mozilla Firefox 0.93 (from the Ubuntu Warty release) 2. User-agent set to Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC) (IE 5 for the Mac) 3. Blackdown Java 1.4.1.99rc1-2 installed (from the Debian repository at http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ) I've got the same setup except that I'm using this for my user agent: Mozilla/5.0 [en] (Windows NT 5.1; U) Which was posted to this list back in April. http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/02/msg00523.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Email filtering in Evolution
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 20:39 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: Is anyone having problems with email filtering not working in Evolution? No matter how I set up the filters I just cannot get Evolution to flick the emails into the correct folders back on the IMAP server, or does Evolution only flick them into its virtual folders? Yes, I have RTFM. Then you would have read about the option in the IMAP account properties where you select the Apply filters to new messages in INBOX on this server option in the Receiving Options tab. -- Writing is easy; all you do is sit staring at the blank sheet of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead. -- Gene Fowler -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux
Hehe Not asleep but also not a member and not focused on Linux distros. Just sharing and caring. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Waugh Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. Sorry Kevin, but have you been asleep under a rock for the last year? Three of our fellow SLUGers (jdub, rob collins and andrew bennets) are involved in this effort. Jdub spoke about it at the last SLUG meeting. Its been mentioned on this list a dozen times or more. [ I did the talk about Ubuntu at SAGE-NSW, too. I'm glad Kevin was still intrigued, I was very ill that night. ;-) ] - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australia http://lca2005.linux.org.au/ Is your sense of identity inextricably bound to a large prime? - Michael Meeks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 09:35:31PM +1000, Heracles wrote: Simon Bryan wrote: snip Similar issue with the Department of Education and their Back to School Allowance. It is an Access Database that you import the details into then export a file to disk. SOme genius decided that it would be a good idea to allow them to be emailed back - cept the option to still save to disk comes after the automated email link, and that won't work unless you have MS OUtlook installed, so instead you get an 'Error 498398' and you can't export the file to send in! The programmers response was that all I have to do is to install Outlook as my default email client and it will work - I declined the offer. This is an example of stupid or lazy programming rather than conspiracy. I believe the higher ups have told the programmer to fix it. You may be waiting a while for this to happen. The DET have an agreement with Microsoft which they have recently re-signed. Aren't government departments governed by some fair access or equal access policy! Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Banks colluding with Microsoft ?
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:34:41AM +1000, Alexander Samad wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 09:35:31PM +1000, Heracles wrote: You may be waiting a while for this to happen. The DET have an agreement with Microsoft which they have recently re-signed. Aren't government departments governed by some fair access or equal access policy! It is an equal access policy. Anyone can buy the necessary hardware, software, and spend a fortnight fixing the problems so it's not a hazard to the rest of the Internet. Latest Pentium 4 PC: $2500 Academic[1] copy of XP and Office: $650 Residential Broadband service: $150+$30/month Total package after 5 minutes on the modern Internet: Worthless - Matt [1] Because you are learning new things your entire life... signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Using AIDE for a remote server.
Hi all, It was ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'command' that I nedded to know. I was looking at the ssh man page and had searched for exec, when it was 'command'. Michael Lake wrote: I am using AIDE Advanced Intrusion Detection Env. on a remote server. Normally to use aide one runs the program to create the database and then regularly use aide in check mode to compare what you now have with the database. The docs strongly suggest that you remove the aide.conf file, the aide.db and the aide binary from the machine and place it on removable media. When you want to check the system in goes the floppy or CD and away you check. That isnt possible on a remote server. My aide files from the server are on a memory stick and I have written a bash script that uses scp to scp them to the server as step 1. An SSH agent is setup so its non-interactive during the copy. Step 2 is a log into the server via ssh and change into the aide_files directory and run the check program. Step 3 uses the bash script again to scp down the report and any new aide.db from any update. Step 4 on the remote server is to remove the files there. Can I somehow include the execution of the aide check as part 2 of the same bash script so I dont have to ssh in manually? That way I just run the bash script as steps 1., 2., 3. And also run step 4 remotely as well? -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1725 Fx: 9514 1460 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Browser compatibility, while were on the subject.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:04:09 +1000, Karl Bowden wrote: I have done a bit of work for some automotive dealerships, but a few things hold some back from shifting to Firefox as the primary browser. None of the following are browser bugs. The following link: http://dealerext.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/ will only display as a plain/text in firefox, mozilla, konqueror, and opera. Yet it displays fine in ie. That's because, after two redirections, the server says the final page is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Holden dealer website requires the MicrosoftVM, which is not even supported or shipped with windows anymore. That's obviously a site problem. And in the Hyundai service website, http://www.hyundaiservice.com.au/ , the second line of the navigation bar does not appear. But I think that is a broken CSS issue. And so's that. Cheers, John -- So? I can walk around the Doze directory, deleting files at random, without making it any more unstable. - Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Windows -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Swap file performance tuning ?
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 09:15 +0930, Glen Turner wrote: Alternatively, a partition in the center of the disk, so the head never needs to move more than 0.5 of a disk. But this is more than compensated for by the faster velocity of the outside edge of the disk, according to every performance tuning guide I've read (which is only three, but still). Anyone wanna test? Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Evolution IMAP folders
G'day, Does anyone know hoe to create nested IMAP folders using Evolution? It seems that handling of IMAP folders under most email clients (Linux AND Windows) is quirky at best. Regards, Edwin Humphries, Managing Director Mobile: 0419 233 051 Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd P. O. Box 423, Kiama, NSW, 2533 Phone: +61 (0)2 4233 2285 Facsimile: +61 (0)2 4233 2299 Web: http://www.ironstone.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Browser compatibility, while were on the subject.
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:04 pm, Karl Bowden wrote: I have done a bit of work for some automotive dealerships, but a few things hold some back from shifting to Firefox as the primary browser. The following link: http://dealerext.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/ will only display as a plain/text in firefox, mozilla, konqueror, and opera. Yet it displays fine in ie. The Holden dealer website requires the MicrosoftVM, which is not even supported or shipped with windows anymore. And in the Hyundai service website, http://www.hyundaiservice.com.au/ , the second line of the navigation bar does not appear. But I think that is a broken CSS issue. Regards, Karl Bowden Is that the fault of the browser, or a result of lazy web developers who spit out crappy code (or get Dreamweaver to to it instead) which only works in IE? None of this crap would've happened if M$ had stuck with RFC's, W3C recommendations and IETF standards. Bloody monopolies! FWIW, I get upgrade reports, for an internal web system, as HTML e-mails from our development team internally here at $ORK. I sent them an e-mail this morning informing them most of the IT Operations team do NOT run Windows and it really sux having to log into a Windows terminal server just to read what is essentially just HTML with a bit of javascript! If people don't notify the developers their products don't work in non-IE browsers then they (the developers) can't fix the problems - maybe I assume too much? ;) The official position in our development team is that we support IE =5, Firefox =0.93, and Opera =7.0. So I'm holding them to it! :) That's my $0.02 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Evolution IMAP folders
Thanks, Peter. I'd thought of that. But as I don't always have access
to the server (eg, whilst travelling), I was hoping for something a
little more elegant :-)
On 27 Oct 2004 at 9:59, Peter Howard wrote:
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:49, Edwin Humphries wrote:
G'day,
Does anyone know hoe to create nested IMAP folders using Evolution?
It seems that handling of IMAP folders under most email clients
(Linux AND Windows) is quirky at best.
Don't know if this will help, but . . .
The following manual procedure has worked for me, on an FC2 box using
dovecot as the imap server.
On the server, in ${HOME}/imap/{Account}/folders you create the
directory which will be the nesting folder you want. You can then
create mail folders within that from evolution.
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[SLUG] LPIC Exams
On December 2nd we will be running linux certification exams for LPI certification. See http://lpi.org Exams will be at Granville TAFE on the thursday night. Cost is A$40 each exam (regular price from prometric is US$100) I have to apply for exam papers to be sent out from Canada real soon so if your interested book a spot at http://gonzo.org.au cheese, Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Digital TV card
I thank you for your comments on Mythtv and Fusion HDTV. I found your comments interesting and sensible description of what's involve in order to get FusionHDTV going. Ordinarily, I'm not challenged with the entertainment aspects of Linux or Open Source but after reading your comments I went and bought FusionHDTV for $198.00. I started installing two days ago and I'm still working on it. I got to the stage where the driver for DVICO recognizes the device as shown by a dmesg command; I completed installation of MythTV to the point that I can run utilities (Setup, Config, etc) which include interfacing with MySQL; and I got Linux Infrared Remote Control (lirc) software running. As you mentioned, it's a messy business this installation of the driver and application to get FusionHDTV and MythTV working. MythTV has substantial number of dependencies. Thanks to http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php the installation went smoothly with few detours and little disruptions. I'm running Linux 2.6.8.1 instead of 2.6.5 or 2.6.7 the versions for which patches are provided. I did the patches manually and line by line which took a bit of time as I had to recompile the kernel and test a number of times to get it right. I'm also running the latest lirc-0.7-pre8 which again has to be patched manually because the patches available are for pre4 version. Whilst my installation is not useful at this stage since I cannot recieved signals or do anything, I'm happy with the outcome of my effort. My configuration: FC2 with kernel-2.6.8.1 ATI Radeon Video Card Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHZ FusionHDTV 200GB ide drive I enclose the output of my dmesg: I'm not sure about this line. ... cx8800[0]: couldn't register DVB module ... #dmesg Linux video capture interface: v1.00 cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.4 loaded ACPI: PCI interrupt :02:01.0[A] - GSI 12 (level, low) - IRQ 12 cx8800[0]: found at :02:01.0, rev: 5, irq: 12, latency: 32, mmio: 0xf200cx8800[0]: subsystem: 18ac:db00, board: DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1 [card=10,autodetected] cx8800[0]: i2c register ok cx8800[0]: registered device video0 [v4l2] cx8800[0]: registered device vbi0 cx8800[0]: couldn't register DVB module cx8800: Initialised TS code, frames_per_irq: 512, frames_to_buffer: 10240 cx88_register_dvb_module Trying DVB attach on card d707c000 DVB: registering new adapter (cx8800[0]). DVB attached to dev d707c000, dvb: c25db400 DVB: registering frontend 0:0 (DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1)... [EMAIL PROTECTED] cx88-0.0.4+dvb]# Toliman wrote: I bought one of these cards, and am in the process of getting MythTV to work, via Gentoo and the CVS ebuilds. which in hindsight ... it's kind of messy in linux, but from other's reports (mostly anandtech at this stage), DVB software like MythTV is more reliable and less prone to GUI/overlay failures (especially during long recording sessions) which can happen in the Windows FusionHDTV software from DVICO. (the FusionHDTV software now support BDA, so a lot more windows DVR/PVR apps can now be used, including the generally annoying showshifter.) anyway, the quickest way to get this working, download unpack the patched dvb lirc kernel modules from http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/DVICO-Linux/. the modified cx88 tuner modules specific for the DVICO are not yet integrated into linuxtv-dvb or the 2.6.x series kernels, so it's a little messy to install but Chris Pascoe has done a great job of making 4 paragraphs describe the process seamlessly, and it does work well. getting started is relatively quick, you just need to have a /dev/dvb/adapterX/dvrX after the modules are built inserted, and then you need the linuxtv-dvb-apps package to tune channels in, and you can record straight from /dev/dvb. the libdvb packages and linuxtv-dvb-apps you can get from the linuxtv.org website. DVB software packages like freevo, mythtv and kvdr, as well as kaxtv (which uses xine, recommended) or mplayer to actually view and/or test the channels. gmplayer/kaxtv/xine will run dvb://7 Digital, or dvb://ABC HDTV, once the channels are configured. mythtv/freevo needs xmltv (for TV scheduling data), which needs another package called tv_grab_au from http://www.onlinetractorparts.com.au/rohbags/xmltvau/tv_grab_au-0.6.tar.gz , which grabs the tv guides from yahoo.com.au (the XML data comes from d1.com.au). although there are some issues with the d1.com.au feeds (double escaped items, missing ch9 icons, incomplete program listings for hdtv channels, etc. little things), it does work. kindof. i dont know how many other programs apart from kaxtv work seamlessly with DVB, dvbscan (to set the channel) and mplayer (to view/record) are enough to get recording and playback / transcoding to xvid working in a very rough but utilitarian fashion. streaming DVB over a network, you might want to buffer/re-encode via mencode or VLC/VLS, or, use knoppmyth (xebian/gentoox and mythfrontend on an xbox also make a cheap tv
Re: [SLUG] LPIC Exams
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 11:37, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: On December 2nd we will be running linux certification exams for LPI certification. See http://lpi.org Exams will be at Granville TAFE on the thursday night. Cost is A$40 each exam (regular price from prometric is US$100) Airfare Albury Sydney $301.99 return (twice - $603.98 due limit on number of exams that can be taken in one session. Accomm Sydney, say, $70 per night (twice for same reason) = $140 Sundry travel and food Saving 4 x ($100 - $40) = $240 Mmmm. I think I'll pass on that one :( I have to apply for exam papers to be sent out from Canada real soon so if your interested book a spot at http://gonzo.org.au cheese, Geoffrey -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LPIC Exams
Howard Lowndes wrote: Airfare Albury Sydney $301.99 return (twice - $603.98 due limit on number of exams that can be taken in one session. Accomm Sydney, say, $70 per night (twice for same reason) = $140 Sundry travel and food Saving 4 x ($100 - $40) = $240 Mmmm. I think I'll pass on that one :( Guides to asking challenging questions are found here: http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Why can I remove a file owned by root:root ?
Hi all Im a bit confused. Prob something simple. -rw-r--r--1 root root 1968 Oct 27 15:25 report As mikel I can remove the file report. rm: remove write-protected regular file `report'? y done ! as its -rw-r--r-- I should not be able to write to it or remove it. Im missing some basic understanding. Mike -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Why can I remove a file owned by root:root ?
What are the permissions on the directory that contains the file? If the user has write access to the directory, they can remove anything it contains. BB on Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:37:27PM +1000, Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Im a bit confused. Prob something simple. -rw-r--r--1 root root 1968 Oct 27 15:25 report As mikel I can remove the file report. rm: remove write-protected regular file `report'? y done ! as its -rw-r--r-- I should not be able to write to it or remove it. Im missing some basic understanding. Mike -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Why can I remove a file owned by root:root ?
quote who=Michael Lake Im a bit confused. Prob something simple. -rw-r--r--1 root root 1968 Oct 27 15:25 report As mikel I can remove the file report. rm: remove write-protected regular file `report'? y done ! as its -rw-r--r-- I should not be able to write to it or remove it. Im missing some basic understanding. When you remove a file, it's the directory that's being modified to no longer have the file in it hence it's the directory permissions that matter. J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place. - H.L. Mencken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Why can I remove a file owned by root:root ?
Hi all Im a bit confused. Prob something simple. -rw-r--r--1 root root 1968 Oct 27 15:25 report As mikel I can remove the file report. rm: remove write-protected regular file `report'? y done ! as its -rw-r--r-- I should not be able to write to it or remove it. Im missing some basic understanding. (message now sent with right date) -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Why can I remove a file owned by root:root ?
Jan Schmidt wrote: When you remove a file, it's the directory that's being modified to no longer have the file in it hence it's the directory permissions that matter. drwxr-xr-x2 mikelmikel4096 Oct 27 15:38 aide_files Ah. Now I understand. Well that make it much easier for me. The aide program creates the report owned by root:root but its run by me via sudo in a dir owned by me. After copying the report back to my local machine I then delete the report from the server. I was surprised I was able to rm it and I dont have to use sudo to do it. Thanks also to Bevan for your post. -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1725 Fx: 9514 1460 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Why can I remove a file owned by root:root ?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all Im a bit confused. Prob something simple. -rw-r--r--1 root root 1968 Oct 27 15:25 report As mikel I can remove the file report. rm: remove write-protected regular file `report'? y done ! as its -rw-r--r-- I should not be able to write to it or remove it. Im missing some basic understanding. What permissions do you have to the directory the file report is in? If you have write permissions to that directory, you can remove the file. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
