Re: [SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:08:11 +1100 Rob Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://www.taryn.com/cgi-bin/ticket.cgi?user=foo;pass=bar That would be where the 's' in 'https' comes in handy. :-) :-$ (I'll get me coat) :-) Still, you might want the cgi to double check that SSL is in fact being used. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Automake books?
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 17:34 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to finally sit down and learn GNU Automake properly. ... My only concern about this book is that it seems to have not been updated since 2001 or so. Is this a problem or is it still accurate for current versions of the covered tools? If you haven't already seen it, check out Devhelp. It's a viewer for all sorts of developer documentation and there's an automake book available too, though it seems to be from 2000. Thanks, --Amos -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wongy.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] February DebSIG
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 05:37 +, Cheng Lim wrote: I hope there will be a install fest scheduled soon as I have yet to finish installing Debian on my pentium 1 laptop/ What's to be done, maybe people here can help? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Automake books?
Thanks very for both replies. I tend to like reading from dead trees as my eyes get out of focus after a while of reading so much text from the display, and I'd prefer to try to pay back the authors by buying a proper copy (and get my dead trees bound in a way which is easier to handle and carry around). Cheers, --Amos On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:05:35 +1000, Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 17:34 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to finally sit down and learn GNU Automake properly. ... My only concern about this book is that it seems to have not been updated since 2001 or so. Is this a problem or is it still accurate for current versions of the covered tools? If you haven't already seen it, check out Devhelp. It's a viewer for all sorts of developer documentation and there's an automake book available too, though it seems to be from 2000. Thanks, --Amos -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wongy.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=balatsrial4tlprafm_jqupsjnpz1k Wouldn't you rather have amos.shapira.com as your personal domain? http://rd.mailshell.com/ad465 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Antigen found VIRUS= Win32/Netsky.P!Worm (CA(InoculateIT), Sophos) worm
Antigen for Exchange found message.scr infected with VIRUS= Win32/Netsky.P!Worm (CA(InoculateIT),Sophos) worm. The message is currently Purged. The message, Mail Delivery (failure [EMAIL PROTECTED]), was sent from slug@slug.org.au and was discovered in SMTP Messages\Inbound located at BARNETT/first administrative group/BARSBS1. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] February DebSIG
Simon Wong wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 05:37 +, Cheng Lim wrote: I hope there will be a install fest scheduled soon as I have yet to finish installing Debian on my pentium 1 laptop/ What's to be done, maybe people here can help? How about organizing a publicly accessable WWW Internet site from where people can install ANY of the major distro remotely ? Debian, Ubunto, Fedora, RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, Gentoo. The more, the merrier. This can be done of course providing the person wishing to install has got an install diskette or CD and by entering at the install boot-prompt, like so: boot: linux ks=http://203.7.132.9/fedora3/fc3.cfg as an illustration. Then, everything that follows is automated. This System requires some organization but once going there is little maintenance to be done. Even if this service is PAID I think some would be willing to pay for the convenience. Maybe there is a service like this out there that's operational already. Anyone ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] I need helop creating a chart in OpenOffice
There is clearly something I'm missing here. I have a simple spreadsheet in OpenOffice. It looks like this. 01:25:285.15 01:25:304.5 01:25:320 01:25:340 The time's on the left, a value is on the right. Just like the above. Except a lot longer. I'd like to chart it. I can chart it. The chart mainly looks how I want. X is the number on the left. Y is the number on the right. Problem: OpenOffice wants to put a label for each value on the X axis. 01:25:28 01:25:30 01:25:32 01:25:34 I have a few hundred values on the X axis. Text is everywhere. I'd prefer just a few values marked on the X axis. Or even none at all. Anyone know how I do that? Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] I need help creating a chart in OpenOffice
'Help' too. Surprised the list let me from my non-subscribed addy. TIA Mike Mike MacCana wrote: There is clearly something I'm missing here. I have a simple spreadsheet in OpenOffice. It looks like this. 01:25:28 5.15 01:25:30 4.5 01:25:32 0 01:25:34 0 The time's on the left, a value is on the right. Just like the above. Except a lot longer. I'd like to chart it. I can chart it. The chart mainly looks how I want. X is the number on the left. Y is the number on the right. Problem: OpenOffice wants to put a label for each value on the X axis. 01:25:28 01:25:30 01:25:32 01:25:34 I have a few hundred values on the X axis. Text is everywhere. I'd prefer just a few values marked on the X axis. Or even none at all. Anyone know how I do that? Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] I need helop creating a chart in OpenOffice
Hi Mike On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Mike MacCana wrote: There is clearly something I'm missing here. I have a simple spreadsheet in OpenOffice. It looks like this. 01:25:28 5.15 01:25:30 4.5 01:25:32 0 01:25:34 0 The time's on the left, a value is on the right. Just like the above. Except a lot longer. I'd like to chart it. I can chart it. The chart mainly looks how I want. X is the number on the left. Y is the number on the right. Problem: OpenOffice wants to put a label for each value on the X axis. 01:25:28 01:25:30 01:25:32 01:25:34 Just been through this one: - Create the chart with the x/y labels. - Double click on the chart after creation. - This should show a faint grey box around the chart. - Place the mouse pointer over the axis you want to modify (a mouse over pop up will appear). - Double click and an [X|Y]axis box should appear. - Select the 'label' tab and de-select 'show labels' I have a few hundred values on the X axis. Text is everywhere. I'd prefer just a few values marked on the X axis. Or even none at all. Anyone know how I do that? Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Darren Williams dsw AT gelato.unsw.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] I need helop creating a chart in OpenOffice
Darren Williams wrote: Hi Mike On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Mike MacCana wrote: There is clearly something I'm missing here. I have a simple spreadsheet in OpenOffice. It looks like this. 01:25:285.15 01:25:304.5 01:25:320 01:25:340 The time's on the left, a value is on the right. Just like the above. Except a lot longer. I'd like to chart it. I can chart it. The chart mainly looks how I want. X is the number on the left. Y is the number on the right. Problem: OpenOffice wants to put a label for each value on the X axis. 01:25:28 01:25:30 01:25:32 01:25:34 Just been through this one: - Create the chart with the x/y labels. - Double click on the chart after creation. - This should show a faint grey box around the chart. - Place the mouse pointer over the axis you want to modify (a mouse over pop up will appear). - Double click and an [X|Y]axis box should appear. - Select the 'label' tab and de-select 'show labels' Thanks so much. My confusion seems to stem from the chart tools different things depending on how many times you click it. I don't understand why I should be able to do different things if the border is green black than if its grey. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
Hello Sluggers, I'm having to teach myself some C so I can deal with debugging problems with C modules used by perl (my primary interest is the perl scripts, but I'm tired of feeling helpless when C programs won't build or just die). I've found an online university course tutorial which covers basic data types, operators, functions, prototyping, structures, pointers, malloc :- http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/ It's dated 1999. Should this be enough, any major changes since then, any recommended tutorials out there ? Also - am I OK just working with a text editor like Gedit, or do I really need to use some API to do things properly ? Recommended newbie-friendly C mailing lists ? Anything else I should study to do this properly ? - I'm finding things like foo.xs which are used to generate foo.c for instance, so is there some tutorial on typical methods used for generating C sources modules ? thanks Rod -- --- Brought to you by a penguin, a gnu and a camel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
On Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 14:32:14 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote: Hello Sluggers, I'm having to teach myself some C so I can deal with debugging problems with C modules used by perl (my primary interest is the perl scripts, but I'm tired of feeling helpless when C programs won't build or just die). I've found an online university course tutorial which covers basic data types, operators, functions, prototyping, structures, pointers, malloc :- http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/ It's dated 1999. Should this be enough, any major changes since then, any recommended tutorials out there ? That will be fine. Unlike all these new languages C hasn't really changed much. The latest spec was in 1999, however justa bout any tutorial out there will be ok. Also - am I OK just working with a text editor like Gedit, or do I really need to use some API to do things properly ? I'm confused by what you mean here. An application programming interface (API) has little to do with a text editor. But basically the answer is yes, any text editor is fine for writing C, however i would recommend an editor that does syntax hilighting. (E.g: emacs, vim, nedit, thousands of others). Recommended newbie-friendly C mailing lists ? There are plently of C coders on this mailing list who would be happy answering questions. Anything else I should study to do this properly ? - I'm finding things like foo.xs which are used to generate foo.c for instance, so is there some tutorial on typical methods used for generating C sources modules ? I'm not sure what a .xs file is, generally you don't generate .c files, you write them. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 14:32 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote: Hello Sluggers, I'm having to teach myself some C so I can deal with debugging problems with C modules used by perl (my primary interest is the perl scripts, but I'm tired of feeling helpless when C programs won't build or just die). I've found an online university course tutorial which covers basic data types, operators, functions, prototyping, structures, pointers, malloc :- http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/ It's dated 1999. Should this be enough, any major changes since then, any recommended tutorials out there ? There hasn't been too many changes since then. I believe C99 is still the accepted standard standard (can anyone verify that?) Also - am I OK just working with a text editor like Gedit, or do I really need to use some API to do things properly ? I assume you mean IDE. If you're happy with Gedit, then that's great. I like vim personally. Two tools I find invaluable in navigating C code (and are largely editor agnostic) are ctags and cscope. If you're on debian you want the exuberant-ctags package. Then you run 'ctags -R' on your C source to build a database out of it, and anything you want to see the definition of (functions, structs etc), you put the cursor on and hit ctrl-] and you'll be jumped straight to it. ctrl-t takes you back to where you were. cscope is useful essentially as the inverse of ctags, and there's vim bindings for it too, but it's perfectly usable as a stand-alone app. Presumably other-editor-experts can tell you the equivalents in other editors. Recommended newbie-friendly C mailing lists ? slug-chat? Anything else I should study to do this properly ? Probably, but most of it is just practice. HTH, James. -- There is no I in TEAM but there is an i in Ninja -- http://www.ninjaburger.com/sekrit/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
Rod Butcher wrote: Recommended newbie-friendly C mailing lists ? If you have the time I'd recommend #c on undernet. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
I'm confused by what you mean here. An application programming interface (API) has little to do with a text editor. d'uh... I meant IDE or programmers workbench. thanks for responding Benno, James, Trent . cheers Rod On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 14:39 +1100, Benno wrote: On Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 14:32:14 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote: Hello Sluggers, I'm having to teach myself some C so I can deal with debugging problems with C modules used by perl (my primary interest is the perl scripts, but I'm tired of feeling helpless when C programs won't build or just die). I've found an online university course tutorial which covers basic data types, operators, functions, prototyping, structures, pointers, malloc :- http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/ It's dated 1999. Should this be enough, any major changes since then, any recommended tutorials out there ? That will be fine. Unlike all these new languages C hasn't really changed much. The latest spec was in 1999, however justa bout any tutorial out there will be ok. Also - am I OK just working with a text editor like Gedit, or do I really need to use some API to do things properly ? I'm confused by what you mean here. An application programming interface (API) has little to do with a text editor. But basically the answer is yes, any text editor is fine for writing C, however i would recommend an editor that does syntax hilighting. (E.g: emacs, vim, nedit, thousands of others). Recommended newbie-friendly C mailing lists ? There are plently of C coders on this mailing list who would be happy answering questions. Anything else I should study to do this properly ? - I'm finding things like foo.xs which are used to generate foo.c for instance, so is there some tutorial on typical methods used for generating C sources modules ? I'm not sure what a .xs file is, generally you don't generate .c files, you write them. Benno -- --- Brought to you by a penguin, a gnu and a camel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
Take below with a pinch of salt - I'm not a highly experienced C-programmer, but hey. * Rod Butcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: I've found an online university course tutorial which covers basic data types, operators, functions, prototyping, structures, pointers, malloc :- http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/ It's dated 1999. Should this be enough, any major changes since then, LOL.. no - and this is one of the big advantages of C - it doesn't change year-to-year but is instead quite stable... I learned some of the basic aspects of C in various dodgy ways but the first time I really understood it was after reading through (and working through the exercises in) C programming language written by none other than KR themselves... It doesn't give you much about the practical aspects of compiling (for which you should maybe have a look at makefile stuff - it's all I ever use) - but all other aspects of the language (and very good programming style) seem to be gained through it. It also has some really good references for the basic libraries in the back. It doesn't have how to program stuff in there, but from the sound of it you've done that before and I found it an exceptional book for C as a second language. Also - am I OK just working with a text editor like Gedit, or do I really need to use some API to do things properly ? I use gvim - which has a fairly reasonable c-syntax highlighter - though it can get a bit broken at times... but c has been written for many years before special editors were around - they're not necessary, just your preference. Recommended newbie-friendly C mailing lists ? don't know any of them, I'm afraid. I tend not to find much use out of specific mailling lists unless searching the archives. YMMV Anything else I should study to do this properly ? - I'm finding things like foo.xs which are used to generate foo.c for instance, so is there some tutorial on typical methods used for generating C sources modules ? no idea what an .xs is - I've never come across one of them. -- This .sig temporarily out-of-order. We apologise for any inconvenience - The Management -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:32:14 +1100, Rod Butcher uttered Anything else I should study to do this properly ? - I'm finding things like foo.xs which are used to generate foo.c for instance, so is there some tutorial on typical methods used for generating C sources modules ? A .xs file is a perl thing. Unfortunately, writing Perl modules in C requires knowledge in C, and the guts of Perl. man perlxs, along with perlguts and perlapi. Cheers, -- Steve Russian roulette in bash(1): $((RANDOM%6)) || rm -rf ~ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
Is operating system vilification permited under the NSW anti-vilification laws? http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/14/1108229893549.html Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over this sort of crap. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
David Guest wrote: Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over this sort of crap. --- Although the project is mostly completed, data structures will continue to be modified and the last vestiges of open source will be eradicated in coming months. --- That's beautiful reporting. Maybe we need to nominate Rob O'Neill for one of those sardonic annual awards. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
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Re: [SLUG] C newbie seeks directions
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:39:53 +1100 James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There hasn't been too many changes since then. I believe C99 is still the accepted standard standard (can anyone verify that?) Verified. Many compilers are still not fully C99 compliant. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
Not crap, just an unfortunate series of events. Here's my take on it: Printing faults crash the Citrix servers. Yes they do crash if they have insufficient memory, Windows or otherwise. They also crash if they are the wrong version or have never been maintained. I've also had problems with a SAMBA system when a device driver was updated on a remote Windows NT server, and the wrong printer driver was used. This comes back to not having any centralised policies regarding Change management. User account policies difficult to control. Yes, and they need to be centralised. This is applicable for any OS, and concerns policy, not technology. They had several Unix / Linux systems doing things, presumably because they were more cost effective than anything else on offer. Note also that this was a merger of three departments, so possibly a few people left in the merger. Again no documentation. Data was spread across multiple system partitions. Again, policy, not technology. No policy means data will always spread to fill a space (like the gas equations). Email and virus complaints - nothing new here. If it's not managed or maintained of course Exchange will fall over. It's the last sentence which is really silly though: one suspects the writer got a guernsey from a certain quarter for that one. My predictions: They will eventually get the thing running, then they will run out of funding for the Windows sysadmins' wages, then the thing will fall over again and they will have to justify the cost of fixing it again. Or they will outsource the lot and wonder why the charges are so high. It's going to be fun when they fill up their disks again. - Jill. -Original Message- From: David Guest [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 4:31 PM To: GLUG; SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows Is operating system vilification permited under the NSW anti-vilification laws? http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/14/1108229893549.html Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over this sort of crap. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICES This email (including any documents referred to in, or attached, to this email) may contain information that is personal, confidential or the subject of copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties. This email is intended only for the named addressee. Any privacy, confidence, copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties, is not lost because this email was sent to you by mistake. If you received this email by mistake you should: (i) not copy, disclose, distribute or otherwise use it, or its contents, without the consent of Aristocrat or the owner of the relevant rights; (ii) let us know of the mistake by reply email or by telephone (+61 2 9413 6300); and (iii) delete it from your system and destroy all copies. Any personal information contained in this email must be handled in accordance with applicable privacy laws. Electronic and internet communications can be interfered with or affected by viruses and other defects. As a result, such communications may not be successfully received or, if received, may cause interference with the integrity of receiving, processing or related systems (including hardware, software and data or information on, or using, that hardware or software). Aristocrat gives no assurances in relation to these matters. If you have any doubts about the veracity or integrity of any electronic communication we appear to have sent you, please call +61 2 9413 6300 for clarification. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
David Guest wrote: Is operating system vilification permited under the NSW anti-vilification laws? http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/14/1108229893549.html Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over this sort of crap. Yep. Looks to me like the Linux-bashing is mainly to hide the obvious question -- what sort of IT strategy leads to that sort of huge mess in the first place? Or was there no IT strategy. You get the feeling that any reasonable clean-up of the mess would have resulted in a sane outcome, no matter if the mechanism was predominantly Windows, Linux or Solaris. Especially since replacing their Exchange e-mail server with a (presumably more sanely configured) Exchange e-mail server lead to greater reliability. I particularly liked the well-known problem with Windows printer drivers under Citrix being unstable being described as a Linux problem :-) Shows a complete lack of understanding of the problem. Ironically, running the open source CUPS printing system is one of the neatest ways out of that particular problem. Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
quote who=David Guest Is operating system vilification permited under the NSW anti-vilification laws? http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/14/1108229893549.html Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over this sort of crap. Ah, c'mon, if someone said the same thing about Windows in an article, you wouldn't even blink. They had badly put together systems, now they don't. Could be the same thing either way, and could be reported the same way. :-) We don't get a lot of negative press these days. Even if we did, the only way to combat it is to make positive press. Ranting about the bad bits doesn't get us anywhere [1]. :-) - Jeff [1] Understanding them, and building positive messages to combat them *does* though. -- linux.conf.au 2005: April 18th-23rdhttp://linux.conf.au/ For a list of reasons why technology has failed to improve our lives, please press 3. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
Jeff Waugh wrote: Ah, c'mon, Do you sell Positive Thinking tapes as a sideline or what? :) Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
Rowling, Jill wrote: Printing faults crash the Citrix servers. Yes they do crash if they have insufficient memory, Windows or otherwise. They also crash if they are the wrong version or have never been maintained. This is a genuine problem. If you're running Citrix you've got multiple people using the same server. Even though Windows isn't multiuser it generally all works OK. Except when those Citrix clients have differing lists of printer drivers. Ripping in and out printer drivers will often lead to a crash (they are written by Taiwanese hardware manufacturers, are only meant to be installed once, etc). The answer is only to run one printer driver. This usaully means standardising on hardware (a problem when that printer range is superceeded and a problem if your department is the merger of three departments) or using only generic PostScript (and PS printers still cost more than non-PS printers). Or installing CUPS on Linux as the print spooler. All CUPS printers look like a PostScript printers to Windows. So all jobs use the one driver. So Citrix doesn't need to stuff about changing drivers when differing users print. But on the far side of the CUPS spooler you can have differing makes and models of printers. Of course, the best answer is to use a real multi-user operating system in the first place :-) Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
