[SLUG] Where is squid in Ubuntu?
I'm trying to look for the squid (proxy) package in Ubuntu using aptitude (sorry, no GUI so I can't use synaptic). Aside from my CDROM I have these sources: deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricteddeb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricteddeb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricteddeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe I know it should be there somewhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,Carlo -- Carlo Sogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.hi-speed.net.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Where is squid in Ubuntu?
Sorry, I found it. -- Carlo Sogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlo Sogono Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:19 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: [SLUG] Where is squid in Ubuntu? I'm trying to look for the squid (proxy) package in Ubuntu using aptitude (sorry, no GUI so I can't use synaptic). Aside from my CDROM I have these sources: deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe I know it should be there somewhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Carlo -- Carlo Sogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.hi-speed.net.au _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.Hi-Speed.net.au This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.hi-speed.net.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SQL Brain teaser...
I'm trying to do some metrics on how long it takes to process an order in our system based on time between printing the picking slip and bagging the goods for dispatch. The aim is to determin the maximum performance if we were to have one guy do nothing but pick pack orders. At first glance you might think this would do select round(avg((unix_timestamp(docketdate) -unix_timestamp(pickslip_printed))/60)) as packmins from orders where pickslip_printed is not null But alas that's not the true picture because in reality the events overlap each other due to operators batching up the pick slips or puting some aside while issues are dealt with. Example data set.. select ordno,pickslip_printed,docketdate, round((unix_timestamp(docketdate) -unix_timestamp(pickslip_printed))/60) as packmins from orders where pickslip_printed is not null order by pickslip_printed; +---+-+-+--+ | ordno | pickslip_printed| docketdate | packmins | +---+-+-+--+ | ordno | 2005-06-01 14:32:16 | 2005-06-01 14:34:47 |3 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:12:27 | 2005-06-01 15:27:26 | 15 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:12:28 | 2005-06-01 15:30:25 | 18 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:12:29 | 2005-06-01 15:21:53 |9 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:41:29 | 2005-06-01 16:12:07 | 31 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:41:32 | 2005-06-01 16:11:45 | 30 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:41:33 | 2005-06-01 15:52:17 | 11 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:41:33 | 2005-06-01 15:49:15 |8 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:41:34 | 2005-06-01 15:48:30 |7 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:41:34 | 2005-06-01 15:45:56 |4 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:53:00 | 2005-06-01 15:57:57 |5 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:53:00 | 2005-06-01 16:01:33 |9 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 15:53:00 | 2005-06-01 16:00:24 |7 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 16:02:25 | 2005-06-01 16:04:00 |2 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 16:02:26 | 2005-06-01 16:08:09 |6 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 16:22:40 | 2005-06-01 16:34:49 | 12 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 16:22:41 | 2005-06-01 16:36:26 | 14 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 16:22:42 | 2005-06-01 16:37:52 | 15 | | ordno | 2005-06-01 16:22:42 | 2005-06-01 16:25:59 |3 | +---+-+-+--+ See what I mean, between 15:30 and 16:00 there were 9 orders started but the average will be 12.4 minutes per order by the previous query when in reality it's 9 orders in 30 minutes due to batching. Or to put it into perspective, if you add up the packing minutes it's 1.7 times the actual elapsed time :-( Anybody got any smart ideas for reporting purposes? I don't mind if performance sucks because I will do it on a replicated database. Essentially there needs to be a way of grouping orders with a similar pickslip_printed time. Maybe we could look at pickslip_printed in terms of 5 minute chunks. That doesen't quite work because more orders are started before all the others are finished. select from_unixtime(round(unix_timestamp(pickslip_printed)/300)*300) as fudgestart, avg(round((unix_timestamp(docketdate) -unix_timestamp(pickslip_printed))/60)) as packmins from orders where pickslip_printed is not null group by fudgestart order by fudgestart; For now the most practical thing I guess is to take the lesser of (max(docketdate)-min(pickslip_printed))/order_count or the first query I mentioned. -- ---GRiP--- Grant Parnell - senior consultant EverythingLinux services - the consultant's backup tech support. Web: http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/support.php We're also busybits.com.au and linuxhelp.com.au and elx.com.au. Phone 02 8756 3522 to book service or discuss your needs. ELX or its employees participate in the following:- OSIA (Open Source Industry Australia) - http://www.osia.net.au AUUG (Australian Unix Users Group) - http://www.auug.org.au SLUG (Sydney Linux Users Group) - http://www.slug.org.au LA (Linux Australia) - http://www.linux.org.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Problems with rsync
On 6/1/05, Ryan Verner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 07:01 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: Ryan Verner wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 22:28 +1000, David wrote: I have a routine that runs an rsync to sync data from a Linux fs to a vfat fs which I have smbmounted on a linux fs. It runs quite happily for a while, then stalls. the rsync command I an using is: rsync -vrtL --delete /home/ext3fs /home/vfatfs What is the best way to find out why it might be stalling? I know where, but why. I've had a lot of trouble with rsync stalling. I've managed to cure it without understanding the reasons. Try adding --bwlimit= Sounds like packet shaping somewhere is causing packet loss, which rsync tends not to handle very well. This may explain your problem and fits in with a packet shaping issue http://jared.sonicspike.net/pipermail/adsl-qos/2003-November/000477.html and this http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/traffic_shaping/scenarios.html you may not be shaping with iptables but your net admin may be shaping you on their switches etc.. I wouldn't be expecting packet shaping on a LAN. Never say never. A lot of switches are now implementing CoS boundaries on their user ports. Then again I could just be firing from the hip ;-) But it is worth a look -- James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Debian /etc/apt/sources.list
I know this has been posted before, but searching on the archive doesn't spit anything related out Looking for a listing of Debian Wooody(stable) /etc/apt/sources.list Particularly australian source for security. I've just done a base installation of cdroms and apt-get update spews over the default security setting. TIA -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au Wombat Outdoor Adventures Bicycles, Computers, GIS, Printing, Publishing People without trees are like fish without clean water -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] XP access to ext3 linux partition
I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio. Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ? -- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] XP access to ext3 linux partition
Hi, if you have a ext2/3 linux partionen you can try the following tool http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm Works for me (win98 / debian ext3) cheers wolfgang On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:54:19 +1000 (EST), linley caetan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio. Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] XP access to ext3 linux partition
I used this and it just crashes my Win2K partition everytime I access one of the mapped drives. So be warned it's not necessarily so easy. Phil. wolfgang wrote: Hi, if you have a ext2/3 linux partionen you can try the following tool http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm Works for me (win98 / debian ext3) cheers wolfgang On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:54:19 +1000 (EST), linley caetan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio. Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] access ext3 partion from xp dual boot
I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio. Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ? -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Debian /etc/apt/sources.list
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:35 pm, Terry Collins wrote: I know this has been posted before, but searching on the archive doesn't spit anything related out Looking for a listing of Debian Wooody(stable) /etc/apt/sources.list Particularly australian source for security. I've just done a base installation of cdroms and apt-get update spews over the default security setting. TIA This is what is in my sources.list on my Woody-based servers: ... # # Security Patches and Standard Patches for Woody # #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-security/ stable/updates main contrib non-free ... Watch the wrap :) My ISP peers with Pacific so it's fast for me, YMMV. Another alternative might be http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian-security/ HTH, James -- Murphy was an optimist. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Linux/Windows shared partition question
I have a computer which, until recently, had one hard drive. My operating system was Windows XP Professional. The drive had two partitions, one the usual C:\, of file type NTFS, and the other, of file type FAT32, a hidden one from which, as I understand it, I can restore Windows, if necessary. I recently installed a second hard drive in the computer and, on it, installed Fedora Core 3. On the second drive, I created a /boot partition and a / partition, both of file type ext3. I also created a swap partition. I knew I could create on the second drive a partition of the vfat file type and so I did that as well, understanding that that partition would be capable of being used by both OSs. However, that partition does not appear when I run Windows. Was my understanding wrong? Have I simply created an unnecessary partion accessible only by FC3? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Co-lo, UML Dedicated servers
Morning Sluggers, Just after some recommendations on the above probably in that order. Machines don't need to be overly powerful but reasonable traffic allowance would be good. The Co-lo would need to be located in sydney the others I'm fairly ambivalent about (but if O/S a nice exchange rate helps) After experiences both good and bad. Thanks, Dan. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] XP access to ext3 linux partition
linley caetan wrote: I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio. Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ? I recently installed an ext3 device driver for windows xp. It's way too unstable for actual use. I think the simple answer is no. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Problems with rsync
James wrote: I wouldn't be expecting packet shaping on a LAN. Never say never. A lot of switches are now implementing CoS boundaries on their user ports. Then again I could just be firing from the hip ;-) But it is worth a look Agreed, but in this case I manage the whole LAN (it's very basic) and it only has hubs, not switches. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannet.com.au -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; When you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. begin:vcard fn:Howard Lowndes n:Lowndes;Howard org:LANNet Computing Associates adr:;;PO Box 1174;Lavington;NSW;2641;Australia email;internet:howard [AT] lowndes [DOT] name tel;work:02 6040 0222 tel;fax:02 6040 0222 tel;cell:0419 464 430 note:If you want to phone me, you will need to ensure that your phone presents Caller ID, or use access code 9. x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.lannet.com.au version:2.1 end:vcard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Problems with rsync
Howard Lowndes wrote: Agreed, but in this case I manage the whole LAN (it's very basic) and it only has hubs, not switches. Theres your problems. get switches dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Debian /etc/apt/sources.list
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 08:35:01PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Looking for a listing of Debian Wooody(stable) /etc/apt/sources.list ftp.au.debian.org ftp.wa.au.debian.org mirror.pacific.net.au mirror.internode.on.net (Internode customers only, I believe) mirror.aarnet.edu.au (.au IPs only, I've been told) Etc etc. Prepend deb http:// and append /debian woody main contrib non-free to each. Particularly australian source for security. A lot of mirrors don't carry security updates, because you typically don't want any delay in getting your security updates, as you would get from a 2nd or 3rd tier mirror. I've just done a base installation of cdroms and apt-get update spews over the default security setting. ? As in it throws an error from http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free? That's just *weird*. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SQL Brain teaser...
Grant I'm not sure that what you have is really a SQL syntax problem. It looks like an Operations research queuing problem. Googling on this should help - or confuse. hope this is relevant Steven O'Reilly On 6/1/05, Grant Parnell - EverythingLinux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to do some metrics on how long it takes to process an order in our system based on time between printing the picking slip and bagging the goods for dispatch. The aim is to determin the maximum performance if we were to have one guy do nothing but pick pack orders. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SQL Brain teaser...
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 09:46 +1000, Steven O'Reilly wrote: Grant I'm not sure that what you have is really a SQL syntax problem. It looks like an Operations research queuing problem. Googling on this should help - or confuse. Or talk to Andrew Cowie whom I believe has some expertise in this arena. Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] XP access to ext3 linux partition
http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2005/02/msg00698.html Might help. :-) Lindsay linley caetan wrote: I have just installed ubuntu as dual boot on my sony vaio. Is there a straighforward way of accessing the linux patition from windows ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Upgrading Firefox on Debian Woody
Has anyone been able to do this? I am attempting to upgrade Firefox (V0.7) on Debian Woody, but it seems to be at am impass. Have downloads the 1.0.4 upgrade and attempted to install it. First problem is that it requires libstdc++.so.5. and Woody only has up to V3. Does anyone know of a way around this? This all started when I went looking for a plug-in to display gifs (mutter mutter, tax stuff using whereis for distances) -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au Wombat Outdoor Adventures Bicycles, Computers, GIS, Printing, Publishing People without trees are like fish without clean water -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Co-lo, UML Dedicated servers
Just after some recommendations on the above probably in that order. Machines don't need to be overly powerful but reasonable traffic allowance would be good. The Co-lo would need to be located in sydney the others I'm fairly ambivalent about (but if O/S a nice exchange rate helps) All OpenSkills services are run on UML servers hosted by: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/index.html Which has worked out very well for us. HTH, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Upgrading Firefox on Debian Woody
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:57, Terry Collins wrote: Have downloads the 1.0.4 upgrade and attempted to install it. First problem is that it requires libstdc++.so.5. and Woody only has up to V3. Does anyone know of a way around this? Missing libraries sometimes happen with Gentoo too... I often symlink my latest version to whatever is required. Most of the time it seems to work fine (given there are no drastic used API changes between the two library versions). -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich. - Peter Ustinov - - Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Imp with Dovecot and Qmail
Sluggers, I've installed the latest Imp (Horde) on FC4 with Dovecot as the IMAP server and it looks pretty schwank except that the only folder that I can see is Inbox. When I compose and send a mail it sends it ok but it then reports that the imap server said that mail/sent-mail is not a valid folder and it can't save to the sent folder. Also it appears to no-longer have a Hide Deleted | Purge Deleted option on the menu. Does anyone have any cluesticks? TIA's Pete. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Upgrading Firefox on Debian Woody
Terry Collins wrote: Has anyone been able to do this? I am attempting to upgrade Firefox (V0.7) on Debian Woody, but it seems to be at am impass. Have downloads the 1.0.4 upgrade and attempted to install it. First problem is that it requires libstdc++.so.5. and Woody only has up to V3. Does anyone know of a way around this? This all started when I went looking for a plug-in to display gifs (mutter mutter, tax stuff using whereis for distances) Try using backports -- they at least have 1.0 available. (presumably this is patched for security, but ...) http://www.backports.org/ Cheers, Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Imp with Dovecot and Qmail
Answering my own question (why do you think of the obvious after posting?) the only folder that I can see is Inbox. Edit ~/horde/imp/config/servers.php and change folders from 'Mail/' to ''. I.E $servers['imap'] = array(...,'folders' = '',...); Also it appears to no-longer have a Hide Deleted | Purge Deleted option on the menu. This was fixed by cleaning out the old sql options data and starting fresh. HTH anybody else considering IMP. P. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux/Windows shared partition question
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 06:17:20AM +1000, Leslie Katz wrote: [fat on second drive ] partition does not appear when I run Windows. I think there are some subtle differences in the partition table between linux and windows. If sharing, do the initial partitioning, (ie. create at least one partition) with windows first. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SQL Brain teaser...
Grant Parnell - EverythingLinux wrote: I'm trying to do some metrics on how long it takes to process an order in our system based on time between printing the picking slip and bagging the goods for dispatch. The aim is to determin the maximum performance if we were to have one guy do nothing but pick pack orders. SNIP See what I mean, between 15:30 and 16:00 there were 9 orders started but the average will be 12.4 minutes per order by the previous query when in reality it's 9 orders in 30 minutes due to batching. Or to put it into perspective, if you add up the packing minutes it's 1.7 times the actual elapsed time :-( Anybody got any smart ideas for reporting purposes? I don't mind if performance sucks because I will do it on a replicated database. Could you simply take the time between the first printed picking slip and the last docketdate, count the number of orders in between and average? This may or may not be as accurate as you would like Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux/Windows shared partition question
Leslie Katz wrote: I have a computer which, until recently, had one hard drive. My operating system was Windows XP Professional. The drive had two partitions, one the usual C:\, of file type NTFS, and the other, of file type FAT32, a hidden one from which, as I understand it, I can restore Windows, if necessary. I recently installed a second hard drive in the computer and, on it, installed Fedora Core 3. On the second drive, I created a /boot partition and a / partition, both of file type ext3. I also created a swap partition. I knew I could create on the second drive a partition of the vfat file type and so I did that as well, understanding that that partition would be capable of being used by both OSs. However, that partition does not appear when I run Windows. Have you formatted it in Windows? Was my understanding wrong? Have I simply created an unnecessary partion accessible only by FC3? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html