Re: [SLUG] Debian and starting VNC as Service
quote(Bill); Any help with either starting services in Debian or starting x11vnc via Webmins command line option will be appreciated. Check out the most excellent post by our very own Jeff Waugh at http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2001/August/msg00730.html -Chris. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Linux small business server setup guide
Just found this in my browser travels. Aguide to setting up Debian Sarge as a small office server that does the following using LDAP for single sign-on: DHCP-server DNS-server Fileserver (Samba/NFS) FTP-server Webserver Webmail / Client filters SMTP / Authenticated SMTP(S) AntiVirus / AntiSpam IMAP / IMAPS / POP3 / POP3S Proxyserver Certificate-server Fax2Mail-server NTP-server (keep time) LDAP-server / LDAP Backend http://hannibal.solstice.nl/hannibal-3.0_on-debian-sarge_2005-04-03.html Thought it might be useful for others too :-) -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re Debian and starting VNC as Service
Thanks Chris, Appears to be just what I ws looking for. I'll give it a go tomorrow. Thanks also to Jeff. It's amazing how many requests I've seen ( and posted myself) in various forums re this same thing, and nowhere have I seen this method. Bill Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:15:44 +1000 From: Chris Deigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian and starting VNC as Service To: slug@slug.org.au Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii quote(Bill); Any help with either starting services in Debian or starting x11vnc via Webmins command line option will be appreciated. Check out the most excellent post by our very own Jeff Waugh at http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2001/August/msg00730.html -Chris. -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html End of slug Digest, Vol 30, Issue 3 *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Sam Couter wrote: The Hurd is just a kernel (well, a microkernel and a bunch of servers that offer services normally provided by more traditional kernels). GNOME runs on the Hurd and it's about the same as GNOME on Linux or FreeBSD or any one of a bunch of free operating systems. I don't know if KDE runs on the Hurd yet, but when it does, it'll be just like running KDE on Linux or FreeBSD or any one of a bunch of free operating systems. QuantumG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See, this is flat out wrong. No, what I said is correct. The kernel is largely irrelevant to the end-user experience. We've know since BeOS that a microkernel makes for a better desktop operating system. Who's we? I'm no kernel expert, so what I say here is probably worth exactly what you paid for it, but... While I happen to agree with you that a microkernel seems like the best (most secure, stable, flexible and extensible) possible architecture for a system to have (barring deadbrained hardware architectures like x86), whether you're on a microkernel or monolithic system makes very little difference to the end-user experience. GNOME and KDE still look and behave like GNOME and KDE whether you're on Linux, one of the BSDs or the Hurd. That is not to say that we should just throw Linux away. In fact, I advocate the opposite. We need to refocus work on the Linux kernel and step up the incremental migration of services out of the kernel. Some crazy loon whacked the Linux kernel and ORBit (a C library that implements the CORBA specs) together a few years ago. The extrapolation of such trends leads to drivers in user space on a physically seperate machine, anywhere on the planet, with any hardware architecture, and implemented in any language that has CORBA support. Now that is something I find interesting, if not immediately useful. -- Sam Eddie Couter | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Sam Couter wrote: No, what I said is correct. The kernel is largely irrelevant to the end-user experience. Whether or not the kernel has real time scheduling or not makes one heck of a difference to the end-user experience. And, (for I think, the third time now?) although you can hack real time scheduling into a monolithic kernel it's not a sane thing to do. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
quote who=QuantumG Whether or not the kernel has real time scheduling or not makes one heck of a difference to the end-user experience. And for the third time, you haven't suggested any reasons why you think this is the case. There is more to user experience than the extreme technical definition of responsiveness suggested by real time scheduling. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity. - George W. Bush (by way of Miles Nordin) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Jeff Waugh wrote: And for the third time, you haven't suggested any reasons why you think this is the case. There is more to user experience than the extreme technical definition of responsiveness suggested by real time scheduling. Obviously. But real time scheduling *does* contribute to that experience. Which is the claim that I made. So why are you arguing? Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:37:21PM +1000, QuantumG wrote: Sam Couter wrote: No, what I said is correct. The kernel is largely irrelevant to the end-user experience. Whether or not the kernel has real time scheduling or not makes one heck of a difference to the end-user experience. And, (for I think, the third time now?) although you can hack real time scheduling into a monolithic kernel it's not a sane thing to do. MS-Windows (built on Non Trustworthy technology :-) has a level of priority called real time which happens to make no real time guarantees and for that matter is merely a do your best type of implementation. On the other hand, so many people rave about how great the MS-Windows user experience is... go figure. Does RT-Linux count as hacking real time scheduling into a monolithic kernel? Certainly the RT-Linux real time is as much a hard real-time implementation as you can achieve on i386 architectures without using dedicated I/O processors. I would say that the implementation is quite sane although not particularly convenient for coding to (but then again, 99% of code doesn't need it and the small amount that does need it also needs very careful design so the inconvenience of the API is probably the least of your problems). In other words, taking regular user-space bloatware applications and cranking up their priority to something that happens to be called real time is a meaningless gesture. - Tel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBQxbnxcfOVl0KFTApAQJIhg//ZpWmdrfMKdxrwwr8HHxZGe4S5ZIEio10 O5XzGQO9ENu4D1Y4oNsnLLg/1uVzAIcYaLOu8IWYKIolZ2gtGD9LIO7TIaUHkzc+ MdEzFE4GY2He81RZLrIE9moS/RFJXjoAT/rdlbWMNMdyd9DeZLdu/kmGKT/RLohN J5cNVUALE9opvwOHwfZoAu2R9dmODgvypmc8vo1Yw6Ty9TUZ9nPuA3pmG0n6fqUe mjny3yRZsKFEItofxb6bSaEj3+DAZaPbBkWIhqN8eriM6Ehu6SpcudcaC/96qtDg NlguVcF7QHz/K0vil79NExNXj4mgfZSfIWRZjlogFiXeZ0AOFUYIwgOVYeze/kle zbgT3/wwhS4xGczuCUDj3WL63k2eAoe7mLzrsAROhNfl1RoQB3NkArfgYXfpbIeC gzUZ/3eS3H5p/lLoqeu+V2f7i7T9qW1o3wrnywUMzfOXK0VjA2wZsfxOa6JRTHoX WSm1P4u0524smNk9VezC1d9CiYSEcCPEMBIqzW90XDwfaN9kdY1VYdkiomytAEpr 5wepnEzH3ovg/2uUmVUHrtQzThcnHoYaNr8bGowhtob/GOYdCVVBrc4f0waild4R 4izbPnyR1U4bcX3GsxuOmQvYxzQ5DlLfIMBCD3Po7D3+omQ9Y/x//P0oUKiYijck TdnnVoj35VI= =Txjq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:48:41AM +1000, QuantumG wrote: I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was insane. Yes, you can hack real time scheduling into Linux. Yes, we do have a kernel threads and kernel re-entry in Linux. Does Linux have the best architecture for such features? Hell no. The result is a massive blob of complexity running at the highest privilege level on the system. As for whether or not a microkernel really made a lot of difference to BeOS.. it contributed a lot to the overall system architecture. It let the developers compartmentalize concerns into communicating servers more readily than a monolithic kernel does. Don't forget that a microkernel introduces communication overhead and usually some extra scheduling overhead which in turn eats into performance. I seem to remember there was a big squabble over who had the fastest webserver until Linux introduced a kernel level http accelerator which blew everyone else out of the water so badly that they first tried accusing the kernel developers of cheating and when that didn't work they just stopped playing that game, took the ball and went home. That just happens to be one example of a real time task that Linux turns out to be rather good at. However, other real time tasks (such as queuing live music streams) have proven a bit more of a challenge and to some extent the idea that real time means anything specific is in itself quite wrong because there are a great many different tasks that have special sorts of time constraints (e.g. low average latency, bounded worst case latency, consistent latency (low jitter), fast resume from a power-save state (power efficient), accurate and reliable internal timing sources, etc) and depending on the situation, different constraints will become critical. - Tel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBQxbtMcfOVl0KFTApAQKoZhAAjecVbjt1TkSmg2caEmMCQNuShJxY8uPd /wC/ut9FYp3HqdZPJEFC15z27OkedkHV7zKorrCQs5vXzSgqckkXPkUeqK1yjUPd IROh7xtxkVr4TobCBR/sXI7ZinbcU66jPxvPAAibKAhYsbTk2/0AgptGNZK+Xylj G8o26E9228nTdnseUd8wqGWJxtCT1/1vcjHy9vdZuDexI/zQYC8HKiuShsf/92GX RvB+2pJnfgMK5VzmzKYuw77hxA62LHJamr5pt/9UwjsHeUZQ6Jklmw32RHxiCNDo +PC+7sqpSRiS1erSjsg32soS+NWVrpeHq3E0sLANDGzTPM+YRLGLep/XC30ay37H Fx/Q6SIKtJlxVguqA69BGWZSd7Oo5oitX5+P0EEBvAY+Thhr7Oxufmd1wvsVQrel 0lOXLus3zr1lkhZ5kUhuQBLNvvNCwuEVdn/kJ5D3V8fm90Ma2Yq76nxs/1Z5qee5 NiyLgHut8ODlpBa9mQJ/t1EnPhApTrX6jtbK6Bs4EbdZNdp0B2z+tJYrdO+qgpgH zeIvSL1sP7P4APhMUdzblzBeVzomJ2ughFoFjtEzXflkLrOsNm6k1zQtTX6TkQbc syKJySo9IrHmvUAqWsd+cmyy8OvTeTquNBR2xbHIqMrvR7Dbxz+Bmtoe3uQz3rcj wd3YlBB2hNw= =bZn5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that a microkernel introduces communication overhead and usually some extra scheduling overhead which in turn eats into performance. I seem to remember there was a big squabble over who had the fastest webserver until Linux introduced a kernel level http accelerator which blew everyone else out of the water so badly that they first tried accusing the kernel developers of cheating and when that didn't work they just stopped playing that game, took the ball and went home. That's because it's a stupid idea. Really, it is. We can put all the code of the entire system into one process and run it in ring-0 and we'll have the fastest system in the world! Until it crashes. Which is what the argument really boils down to. When something which is part of the kernel crashes, do you want it to take down the whole machine or do you want it to be contained and replacable? A web server should run in user space. End of story. Debatably a file system and a network stack should run in user space.. if you can get sufficient performance. For a desktop operating system (which, remember, is what we were talking about) today's hardware is so much overkill that you could run different parts of the kernel on different parts of a local network and still get adequate performance. So why are we still running it in ring-0? Because that's the system we have today and it doesn't make sense to reinvent the wheel if it is working. But it does make sense to keep working on it and slowly migrate things out of ring-0 and into their own process space so we can get rock solid stability and the flexibility needed to implement and debug new things more safely. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Manageable Linux Bittorrent Client?
Is there a Linux bittorrent client that provides
a) download queueing?
b) download capping?
c) upload capping?
I've rolled out the Debian bittorrent bittorrent-gui debs and whilst
I'm prepared to devote a whole machine to this purpose I am not prepared
to allow it to clog up my internet link. So I really need something that
provides the above features.
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Re: [SLUG] Manageable Linux Bittorrent Client?
Terry Collins wrote: Is there a Linux bittorrent client that provides a) download queueing? b) download capping? c) upload capping? I've rolled out the Debian bittorrent bittorrent-gui debs and whilst I'm prepared to devote a whole machine to this purpose I am not prepared to allow it to clog up my internet link. So I really need something that provides the above features. my favorite for download on linux is still the btdownloadcurses, because it is very handy and can be run in headless-mode (nice if the prog is run on a server). maybe the options max_upload_rate and max_download_rate solves problem b and c. hth, goofy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Manageable Linux Bittorrent Client?
On 01/09/05, Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a Linux bittorrent client that providesa) download queueing?b) download capping?c) upload capping? Hi Terry, If you don't mind having to install/run Java, Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net) is a safe bet. Really easy to use, and does everything you want (plus more). Hope that helps, Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Manageable Linux Bittorrent Client?
Ive been using Azureus under Linux. It has just about every feature under the sun and what isn't there can be added as a plugin. http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 00:22 +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Is there a Linux bittorrent client that provides a) download queueing? b) download capping? c) upload capping? Regards Richard Neal Childlessness is hereditary, if your parents don't have children neither will you. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Debian and starting VNC as Service
Hi. 01Sep2005 @ 12:42 Bill thusly spake Any help with either starting services in Debian or starting x11vnc via Webmins command line option will be appreciated. I've used tightvnc for a while now. It's great. I use it to access windows boxes. It can be started as a service on Windows boxes so it starts at boot. I used the info at the following URL http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html additional notes: / vnc configuration The ~/.vnc/xstartup file (on server side) contains a line to start a particular window manager. On the server side start vncserver as follows: './vncserver :64 -geometry 1152x864 -depth 24 -name LINUX' -name can be anything 'netstat -ta' shows the ports the server is then listening on. to kill the server: 'vncserver -kill :64' then connect to the server with a client using the following command /usr/local/vnc/vncviewer/vncviewer -via 203.xx.xx.xx localhost:64 ^ local progremote \___ I get a machine to start vnc on startup with the following command: 'su -l luke -c vncserver :64 -geometry 1152x864 -depth 24 -name LINUX' then I have an 'expect' script to connect to the vnc server: / #!/usr/bin/expect set timeout -1 spawn /myProgs/vnc/vncviewer/vncviewer -via 203.xx.xx.xx localhost:64 expect [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: sleep 1 send xx\r expect Password: sleep 1 send xx\r send exit\r expect eof \_ Good luck. Kind regards. Luke. -- ._.. .| .| |.|/.|_ . .|__.|_|.|\.|_ . :61 421 276 282: -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Manageable Linux Bittorrent Client?
quote(Terry Collins); Is there a Linux bittorrent client that provides a) download queueing? b) download capping? c) upload capping? Like others have said, Azureus. Just beware of it's resource footprint. :) -Chris. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
