[SLUG] Fwd: [CTTE] TV Show Request
Original Message Subject:[CTTE] TV Show Request Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:07:28 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I'd be very grateful if you'd consider alerting your members to the request shown below, either by internet bulletin board or any e-mail mailing list of your members you may have. Many thanks. Asif Zubairy Series Producer Grundy Television COULD YOU BE DESCRIBED AS AN INTELLEGENT GEEK? GOT A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOUR? ARE YOU READY FOR A NEW CHALLENGE? THEN GRUNDY TELEVISION WANTS YOU! A new TV series is looking for 14 men aged 18 – 25. It will be filmed a few days every week in Dec, January and February in and around Sydney. Successful applicants will have to be flexible about committing time to the project so it would be an advantage if you study or do not have a full time job. The reward is to be part of something that may be a life-changing experience, probably make you a TV star and definitely see you earning some cash for taking part. If you're interested, come to Venue Plus, Ground Floor, 619 Pacific Highway, St. Leonards , NSW 2065 (turn left exiting St Leonards station 300 metres to junction with Christie Street) on Thursday 27 October at 7pm when all will be revealed. Grundy Television Pty Limited considers being male and aged 18-25 is a genuine occupational qualification for this position under sections 31 and 49ZYJ of the Anti-Discrimination Act 1977 (NSW) respectively. ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** -- SLUG Committee -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: returning windows software
Hi Russell, I have not received a refund yet... but let me tell you the story so far: A long time ago in a galaxy far far away... Oh, sorry - wrong story! A long time ago I bought a laptop from Twinhead Corporation [1] via a retailer in Sydney. I told the retailer that I did not want the preloaded software. The retailer said I should contact the manufacturer for a refund. So I did. The manufacturer refused to give me a refund for the software because of a contract they had with *ahem* the world's greatest software company that all of the manufacturer's Efio branded machines must be preloaded with the software in question. Since *all* of the manufacturer's machines were Efio branded this qualification is a distinction without a difference. [1] http://www.twinhead.com.au/ So I contacted the ACCC [2]. Y'see, I like a free market. I like it when manufacturers can choose what to sell and consumers can choose what to buy. But coercive contracts do not respect this freedom. The manufacturers have little choice but to accept these contracts when ninety-something percent of the consumers want software preloaded. The consumers have no choice when the manufacturers accept these contracts. [2] http://www.accc.gov.au/ The end result is that *all* consumers lose because without competition in this market the consumers will never see the better products at lower prices that might have been. Most consumers will never appreciate this loss. After all, how can one quantify the loss of a hypothetical choice? I answer that the market price for an operating system in a free market may be estimated by considering the profit margin that *ahem* the world's greatest software company derives from its products. I have read that this profit margin is in the order of 90% and so the market price for an operating system would be about $A30 in the absence of coercive contracts. Thus the current situation constitutes a theft of hundreds of dollars from *every* consumer. So coercive contracts are unjust. As it happens, coercive contracts are also unlawful. The Trade Practices Act 1974 [3] is the relevant legislation. [3] http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/ Section 45 prohibits contracts, arrangements or understandings which contain exclusionary provisions - an agreement between persons any two or more of whom are competitive with each other where the provision has the purpose of preventing, restricting or limiting: (i) the supply of goods or services to, or the acquisition of goods or services from, particular persons or classes of persons; or (ii) the supply of goods or services to, or the acquisition of goods or services from, particular persons or classes of persons in particular circumstances or on particular conditions; by all or any of the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding. Section 45 also prohibits contracts, arrangements or understandings which contain any provision that has the purpose, or would have or be likely to have the effect, of substantially lessening competition. Section 46 prohibits a corporation that has a substantial degree of power in a market from taking advantage of that power for the purpose of: (a) eliminating or substantially damaging a competitor of the corporation [...] in that or any other market; (b) preventing the entry of a person into that or any other market; or (c) deterring or preventing a person from engaging in competitive conduct in that or any other market. Section 46 also sets the standard of evidence required for that section: Without in any way limiting the manner in which the purpose of a person may be established for the purposes of any other provision of this Act, a corporation may be taken to have taken advantage of its power for a purpose referred to in subsection (1) notwithstanding that, after all the evidence has been considered, the existence of that purpose is ascertainable only by inference from the conduct of the corporation or of any other person or from other relevant circumstances. The ACCC sent me a response that was nine-tenths bullshit. I wrote back in contradiction - very politely! - with equations and diagrams that the behaviour of the manufacturers cannot be explained by volume licensing, that *all* Twinhead machines were Efio branded, and that Twinhead had *admitted* to having a contract limiting the supply of goods. Time passed. Several weeks ago I telephoned the ACCC and spoke with the contact officer for the case. She had since moved to another section and she said she would have the director call me. The director, Michael Kiley, has not yet contacted me. While writing this email I checked Twinhead's website. They now offer laptops with Linux preloaded, including Efio branded laptops. This is good news and bad news... The bad news first: compare the two most similar laptops on offer - the efio 12KTL [4] and the efio 12KT [5]. I have summarized below the differences between these systems. Could someone please
Re: [SLUG] Sydney Open Solaris User Group - Meeting Oct 17th 6:30pm
Rather than reply to Dave's detailed points, he attempts to ridicule him. I saw it as an _acknowledgement_ that Dave had excellent points by admitting he had no substantive comeback. A great talker maybe but when he has no substantive comeback he attempts a personal attack. Not nice. He spoke at UNSW on Wednesday and was introduced as the guy who posted have you ever kissed a girl etc. He thought it was kinda funny to be introduced like that and took 2 minutes to reminiss about the whole shebang. He noted that it was in 1996 when he was even younger. From his point of view, Dave was going off half cocked making a bunch of assertions that were completely incorrect and he was about to reply to it item by item and got annoyed so just quoted the whole thing back and added that line. He claimed that Dave has said since that he (Dave) deserved a response like that, and that he (Bryan) also regretted the whole thing. Bryan finished by noting that both he and Dave are much older and wiser now and, incidentally, both have kissed girls. My impression was that while he still finds it amusing in hindsight, its the sort of amusing of What kind of a dill was I being then? Who among us isn't amused by something silly we've done previously. Moral of the story, if you go off half-cocked, don't do it where it will be recorded next to your name for the rest of you natural life. IRC anyone? ;) -- Kind regards, Hal Ashburner -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Sydney Open Solaris User Group - Meeting Oct 17th 6:30pm
quote who=Hal Ashburner My impression was that while he still finds it amusing in hindsight, its the sort of amusing of What kind of a dill was I being then? Who among us isn't amused by something silly we've done previously. Yeah, his reply to my congratulations when I first met him was, Oh, we were young once... :-) The funny thing is that they're just so similar in passion and ability, the only very obvious difference is that Dave says dude a lot... ;-) - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today. - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] shaped inhesion
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[SLUG] Re: Re: Xorg -- 'No Core Pointer'
From: Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Xorg -- 'No Core Pointer'
Message: 5
This one time, at band camp, Adam Bogacki wrote:
In tty1 text mode it flashes by too quickly .. is there an appropriate
log file where I can use vi ?
dmesg | less
less /var/log/messages
less /var/log/syslog
Thanks Jamie.
dmesg | less
.. includes the following output regarding 'mouse' 'kbd'
- transcribed possibly subject to human error ..
snip
drivers/usb/core/usb: registered new driver usbfs
drivers/usb/core/usb: registered new driver hub
drivers/usb/core/usb: registered new driver usbkbd
drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.c :USB AID Boot Protocol keyboard driver
snip
input: ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1
snip
drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver usbmouse
drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c: V1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver
USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver V2.2
snip
less /var/log/messages
.. ends July 6 (why ?) and the only mouse references (repeated 3 times)
were ..
Jul 3 snip tux kernel: mice: PS/2 mouse device common to all mice
Jul 3 snip tux kernel: drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c v1.6:USB HID Boot
Protocol mouse driver
Jul 3 snip tux kernel: drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c v1.6: USB HID
Boot protocol Mouse driver
/var/log/syslog
.. did not contain search patterns 'mouse' or 'mice'.
As I pointed out previously, it is a USB mouse connecting through
a PS/2 (male) adapter which may explain the apparent confusion
between the two formats .. but which is the appropriate driver or module,
why is it missing, and how do I get cursor function ('core pointer)
back ?
Adam Bogacki,
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[SLUG] ot: [Fwd: Please vote against software patents]
just in case this is of interest Original Message Subject: Please vote against software patents From:Norbert Bollow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Fri, October 21, 2005 7:19 am -- Dear Supporters of ThankPoland.info, By thanking the Polish government for its courageous intervention against software patents, you have already been very helpful (you may refer to http://wiki.ffii.org/Sejm050216En for details and some pictures of the Thank Poland ceremony which took place in Warsaw in February of this year, in the Polish Parliament, Sejm.) There is now a new and extremely similar opportunity to make a statement against software patents by taking a minute to fill out a simple Internet form. The founder of the NoSoftwarePatents.com campaign, Florian Mueller, is currently running in an Internet poll for the European of the Year against such celebrities as U2 frontman Bono and politicians like Schroeder, Merkel and Blair. For voting recommendations and further information, please click here: http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/ev50/vote.html When I was in Warsaw, I learned from Polish politicians that Florian's NoSoftwarePatents.com campaign website has had a significant impact among them. Two Polish politicians have told me personally that they had printed out information from NoSoftwarePatents.com and used it to inform other politicians about the issue. Florian, who had come to Warsaw for the Thank Poland ceremony, also played a key role during the press conference afterwards. In view of all this, I have no doubt that Florian deserves to win those Campaigner of the Year and European of the Year awards. There is a realistic chance that we can, by voting for him on the Internet, make him the new European of the Year, which would demonstrate to politicians, the press and the public that software patents are highly unpopular. Hence, every vote for Florian is a strong vote for freedom from software patents. It is necessary to vote for one candidate in each of the ten categories. Florian is running in two of them, and there are also other categories in which we can support those who opposed software patents and vote against those who wanted to make software legally patentable in Europe. Best regards, Norbert Bollow P.S. Everyone can participate in this Internet poll, including non-Europeans. On the NoSoftwarePatents.com site, texts (and banners) are available in more than a dozen languages. You can also send emails to make friends aware of this Internet referendum. Today, five celebrities from the world of free and open-source software (Richard Stallman, Tim O'Reilly, Alan Cox, Rasmus Lerdorf and Monty Widenius) also called on their supporters to vote for Florian: http://www.ag-ip-news.com/GetArticle.asp?Art_ID=2254lang=en -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] htaccess control for 200 users ?
On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:46:47AM +1000, Voytek wrote: I have Apache 1.3x running a number of vhosts, some have some htaccess control using maybe 10 or 15 unique usernames; for one vhost, I'm looking at setting a 'closed shop' accessible only to pre-defined existing customers, like, say, oscommerce behind htaccess authentication; is that a 'good idea' to look at htaccess authentication for around 200 unique user/password ? or ? By htaccess authentication you probably mean Basic Authentication, probably with mod_auth and htpasswd files, right? The main problem with Basic Authentication is security, since usernames and passwords are passwd in the clear - unless you're going to do everything over SSL, you shouldn't do it. Scalability is a secondary issue. Since htpasswd files just use a linear scan, even 200 users will probably start to impact performance. The docs say [1]: A consequence of this is that there's a practical limit to how many users you can put in one password file. This limit will vary depending on the performance of your particular server machine, but you can expect to see slowdowns once you get above a few hundred entries, and may wish to consider a different authentication method at that time. Something like mod_auth_dbm/mod_auth_mysql/mod_auth_ldap would be better for scalability, but you're still doing evil Basic Authentication, just faster. PlugYou'd need something like mod_auth_tkt[2] to sidestep the problems with Basic Authentication if you want to avoid using SSL everywhere. /Plug Cheers, Gavin [1] http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/auth.html [2] http://www.openfusion.com.au/labs/mod_auth_tkt/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] returning windows software
On Thursday 20 October 2005 18:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LA is good suggestion, though I couldn't search the archives of Linux-aus unless I downloaded the entire 19MB archive http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/ and Software Freedom Day archive are not available for list page http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/sfd I searched for returning windows software in Slug not much came up windows refund is much better. Lots of juicy stuff to keep me occupied. Please keep us informed on how this goes. I'm not too far off getting myself a new laptop and I will be shopping at one of the places that will pre-install Linux. I will also be asking the vendor to completely wipe windows from the machine and providing me with a signed letter saying that they did just that. Phone the vendor! I did for Dell and they explained how to get the refund and return Winders. The also said they purchase in bulk, so the refund for Xp was $80. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: returning windows software
This may seem overly simple but by the retailer selling you the computer with the FUBAR software installed havn't they fulfilled their contract with FUBARSOFT once the sale is made. The refund is a completely different issue. And the right to refuse the licence terms and get a refund etc. are FUBARSOFTS words. Surely the agreement between FUBARSOFT and the retailer can't extend to forcing or guaranteeing that the end user agrees to their licencing terms in a manner that is contrary to their licencing terms. Unless FUBARSOFT are implying that their licencing terms do not in fact apply. Now that we know their licencing terms do not apply we can all use it for free and share in the pure joy that is FUBARSOFT. You know all that your inspiration is our wet dream stuff. Just my take. Al Steel. On 20/10/05, Nicholas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Russell,I have not received a refund yet... but let me tell you the story so far:A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...Oh, sorry - wrong story! A long time ago I bought a laptop fromTwinhead Corporation [1] via a retailer in Sydney. I told the retailer that I did not want the preloaded software. The retailer said I shouldcontact the manufacturer for a refund. So I did. The manufacturerrefused to give me a refund for the software because of a contractthey had with *ahem* the world's greatest software company that all of the manufacturer's Efio branded machines must be preloaded with thesoftware in question. Since *all* of the manufacturer's machines wereEfio branded this qualification is a distinction without a difference.[1] http://www.twinhead.com.au/So I contacted the ACCC [2]. Y'see, I like a free market. I like itwhen manufacturers can choose what to sell and consumers can choose what to buy. But coercive contracts do not respect this freedom. Themanufacturers have little choice but to accept these contracts whenninety-something percent of the consumers want software preloaded. The consumers have no choice when the manufacturers accept thesecontracts.[2] http://www.accc.gov.au/The end result is that *all* consumers lose because withoutcompetition in this market the consumers will never see the better products at lower prices that might have been. Most consumers willnever appreciate this loss. After all, how can one quantify the lossof a hypothetical choice? I answer that the market price for anoperating system in a free market may be estimated by considering the profit margin that *ahem* the world's greatest software companyderives from its products. I have read that this profit margin is inthe order of 90% and so the market price for an operating system wouldbe about $A30 in the absence of coercive contracts. Thus the current situation constitutes a theft of hundreds of dollars from *every*consumer.So coercive contracts are unjust. As it happens, coercive contractsare also unlawful. The Trade Practices Act 1974 [3] is the relevant legislation.[3] http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/Section 45 prohibits contracts, arrangements or understandings which contain exclusionary provisions - an agreement between persons anytwo or more of whom are competitive with each other where theprovision has the purpose of preventing, restricting or limiting: (i) the supply of goods or services to, or the acquisition of goods orservices from, particular persons or classes of persons; or (ii) thesupply of goods or services to, or the acquisition of goods orservices from, particular persons or classes of persons in particular circumstances or on particular conditions; by all or any of theparties to the contract, arrangement or understanding. Section 45also prohibits contracts, arrangements or understandings which containany provision that has the purpose, or would have or be likely to have the effect, of substantially lessening competition.Section 46 prohibits a corporation that has a substantial degree ofpower in a market from taking advantage of that power for the purpose of: (a) eliminating or substantially damaging a competitor of thecorporation [...] in that or any other market; (b) preventing theentry of a person into that or any other market; or (c) deterring orpreventing a person from engaging in competitive conduct in that or any other market. Section 46 also sets the standard of evidencerequired for that section: Without in any way limiting the manner inwhich the purpose of a person may be established for the purposes of any other provision of this Act, a corporation may be taken to havetaken advantage of its power for a purpose referred to in subsection(1) notwithstanding that, after all the evidence has been considered,the existence of that purpose is ascertainable only by inference from the conduct of the corporation or of any other person or from otherrelevant circumstances.The ACCC sent me a response that was nine-tenths bullshit. I wroteback in contradiction - very politely! - with equations and diagrams that the
[SLUG] Network Tool to aid Virus Detection
Sluggers, Does anyone know if there's a way/tool to use Linux to snoop the network and detect which box is the source of infection? I just built a WinXp box and put it on our local Lan and before I could even install some virus software it got the sasser.wormb virus (which I detected with stinger). Ive stingered every box under my control in the local class C and found none infected, but perhaps this virus is coming from else where on the corporate network. Is there any way I can use tcpdump/linux tools to detect where the port scanning is coming from? The Linux box is on the same Hub (yes hub not switch) as the honey pot. TIA's Pete. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Network Tool to aid Virus Detection
ethereal? Dean Peter Rundle wrote: Sluggers, Does anyone know if there's a way/tool to use Linux to snoop the network and detect which box is the source of infection? I just built a WinXp box and put it on our local Lan and before I could even install some virus software it got the sasser.wormb virus (which I detected with stinger). Ive stingered every box under my control in the local class C and found none infected, but perhaps this virus is coming from else where on the corporate network. Is there any way I can use tcpdump/linux tools to detect where the port scanning is coming from? The Linux box is on the same Hub (yes hub not switch) as the honey pot. TIA's Pete. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Network Tool to aid Virus Detection
Dean Hamstead wrote: ethereal? Sure. But how do I distill the worms attacks out of the millions of other packets that are being picked up? There is constant broadcast traffic on the LAN with PC's file sharing between each other. So traffic to port 137 etc is very busy. How can I tell out of that broadcast stream which packets are the worm scanning for ports to attack on? I mean if the worm is scanning then I can just ethereal/tcpdump in the Linx box to try and capture the initial port scan for vunerable ports. I need a traffic analyser that can detect attacks by the sasser worm and tell me the source IP or hardware Mac address that they are coming from. Cheers P. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Network Tool to aid Virus Detection
Peter Rundle wrote: I need a traffic analyser that can detect attacks by the sasser worm and tell me the source IP or hardware Mac address that they are coming from. Snort? Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Network Tool to aid Virus Detection
This one time, at band camp, Peter Rundle wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: ethereal? Sure. But how do I distill the worms attacks out of the millions of other packets that are being picked up? There is constant broadcast traffic on the LAN with PC's file sharing between each other. So traffic to port 137 etc is very busy. How can I tell out of that broadcast stream which packets are the worm scanning for ports to attack on? Sounds like you want an IDS like snort or prelude: http://www.prelude-ids.org/ (winner of jaq's best artwork in an open source project 2005 award) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Network Tool to aid Virus Detection
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: Sounds like you want an IDS like snort or prelude: http://www.prelude-ids.org/ (winner of jaq's best artwork in an open source project 2005 award) an alternative to this is ossim http://www.ossim.net which seems to do the same sort of thing. I might compare them (didn't know about prelude) dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: returning windows software
Hi everyone, Yesterday I wrote about two systems [1] [2] - nearly identical - offered for sale by Twinhead Corporation. I have summarized again below the differences between these systems. [1] http://www.twinhead.com.au/product_detail.asp?productid=153 [2] http://www.twinhead.com.au/product_detail.asp?productid=154 efio 12KTL - $A1299 256MB DDR RAM, 40GB HDD Internal DVD+CDRW Combo Drive Abec LINUX Suite inclusive of Open Office Suite: Spreadsheet, Word Processor, Presentation Programme efio 12KT - $A1599 512MB DDR RAM, 60GB HDD Internal DVDRW Dual Drive Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Home Edition Today I contacted Twinhead for the upgrade prices on the efio 12KTL: 256MB DDR RAM - 512MB DDR RAM: ~$A69 40GB HDD - 60GB HDD: $A99 Internal DVD+CDRW Combo Drive - Internal DVDRW Dual Drive: $A179 Thus, to upgrade the efio 12KTL to *identical* hardware specs as the efio 12KT brings the price of the system to ~$A1646. As for the other upgrade: Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Home Edition: $A149 It is /possible/ that preloaded trialware covers the difference, but I doubt it. Could someone who has bought a laptop recently please tell me how much trialware was preloaded? I will send another letter to the ACCC soon; your input will be invaluable. By the way, the *OEM* End User License Agreement (EULA) is no help. From what I understand it provides for a refund only if you return the entire system. By itself, this is not a problem. Remember, you can't buy a Big Mac and get a refund on the cheese - but if ninety-something percent of consumers want cheese in their burgers and the dairy company (the only one) refuses to supply cheese unless the burger manufacturers put cheese in every burger (or charge for it anyway) then you have a complaint to take to the ACCC. Kind regards, Nicholas -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] returning windows software
James wrote: Phone the vendor! I did for Dell and they explained how to get the refund and return Winders. The also said they purchase in bulk, so the refund for Xp was $80. Which just goes to show that if you submit to BOHICA then you can get it for cheap. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannet.com.au -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; When you want a system that works, just, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Segmentation fault when starting apache
Hi all On Thu Oct 20, Michael Lake wrote: Since yesterday's Debian upgrade my apache does not work. I'm on 'testing'. ~$ sudo apachectl start /usr/sbin/apachectl: line 65: 5417 Segmentation fault $HTTPD Im running apache Version: 1.3.29.0.1-3 and libapache-mod-perl 1.29.0.1-3 I had a look at bugs.debian.org and I have found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=329045 The person that had the above problem fixed it by commenting out the line: LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so in modules.conf After that the bug report asks about php4 being loaded but there is no follow up to that after 19th September. I have been able to get apache going again by removing apache and installing apache-perl. (I need to use mod_perl) The difference is that before with apache mod-perl was loaded as a DSO whereas with apache-perl its staticaly compiled in. Thats fine but statements like PerlSetEnv in the httpd.conf file give this error: Syntax error on line 1036 of /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf: Invalid command 'PerlSetEnv', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration /usr/sbin/apache-perlctl start: httpd could not be started If PerlSetEnv is commented out it starts fine. The apache daemon binary has got perl compiled in as seen below: # ldd /usr/sbin/apache-perl libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x0ff6a000) libpthread.so.0 = /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x0fef9000) libcrypt.so.1 = /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x0feac000) libdb-4.2.so = /usr/lib/libdb-4.2.so (0x0fdab000) libperl.so.5.8 = /usr/lib/libperl.so.5.8 (0x0fc4d000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x0fc2a000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0fadf000) libexpat.so.1 = /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x0fa99000) /lib/ld.so.1 (0x3000) apache-perl needs libapache-mod-perl and I have that and the .so file is there: # dpkg -L libapache-mod-perl | grep so /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Apache/Leak/Leak.so /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Apache/Symbol/Symbol.so /usr/lib/perl5/Apache/Resource.pm /usr/share/man/man3/Apache::Resource.3pm.gz BUT maybe it needs to be loaded I regenerated the modules.conf file: # /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache-perl and checked it : # cat modules.conf # Autogenerated file - do not edit! # This file is maintained by the apache-perl package. # To update it, run the command: #/usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache-perl ClearModuleList AddModule mod_so.c AddModule mod_macro.c LoadModule config_log_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_log_config.so LoadModule mime_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_mime.so LoadModule negotiation_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_negotiation.so LoadModule status_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_status.so LoadModule info_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_info.so LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so LoadModule autoindex_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_autoindex.so LoadModule dir_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_dir.so LoadModule cgi_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_cgi.so LoadModule asis_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_asis.so LoadModule imap_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_imap.so LoadModule action_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_actions.so LoadModule userdir_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_userdir.so LoadModule alias_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_alias.so LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so LoadModule access_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_access.so LoadModule auth_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth.so LoadModule expires_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_expires.so LoadModule unique_id_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_unique_id.so LoadModule setenvif_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_setenvif.so /etc/apache-perl# Thus guys I'm lost as to why I cant use PerlSetEnv. -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
