Re: [SLUG] ssh certificate logins

2008-10-12 Thread Del

Mary Gardiner wrote:


There is one potential disadvantage of non-standard ports: there are a
few networks with a default-deny outgoing connection policy who open
port 22, but do not open most ports. (I find 443 the most useful
alternative port to run SSH on, outgoing to 443/HTTPS is very often
open!)


OK, raise their hand everyone here who runs an SSH server somewhere out 
on the net on port 443 for the deliberate purpose of tunneling through a 
work-related proxy server / firewall combination to do non-proxy-allowed 
stuff.


(/me sheepishly raises hand)

(/me points at *everyone* at a certain large organisation that will 
remain nameless)


:)

Del

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Re: [SLUG] ssh certificate logins

2008-10-12 Thread Owen Townend
2008/10/12 Del [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Mary Gardiner wrote:

 There is one potential disadvantage of non-standard ports: there are a
 few networks with a default-deny outgoing connection policy who open
 port 22, but do not open most ports. (I find 443 the most useful
 alternative port to run SSH on, outgoing to 443/HTTPS is very often
 open!)

 OK, raise their hand everyone here who runs an SSH server somewhere out on
 the net on port 443 for the deliberate purpose of tunneling through a
 work-related proxy server / firewall combination to do non-proxy-allowed
 stuff.

 (/me sheepishly raises hand)

 (/me points at *everyone* at a certain large organisation that will remain
 nameless)

 :)

 Del

/me raises hand
Though only since contracting at said large organisation[1]... there
are other ways at uni.

cheers,
Owen.

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[1] Assuming we're thinking of the same one... otherwise... it's the same idea.
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[SLUG] OSDC 2008 Sydney - Earlybird Registration is now open!

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Rees
Hi,

Earlybird Registration for The Open Source Developers' Conference 2008
is now open. OSDC 2008 is a conference run by open source developers,
for developers and business people. It covers numerous programming
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This year we have an exciting selection of presenters and keynote speakers
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 * Larry Wall, the creator of Perl
 * Chris DiBona, Open Source Progams Manager for Google
 * Andrew Tridgell, Founder, Samba Team
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Earlybird registration closes 27th October, 2008.

For more information about this event, please visit:
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Regards

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Re: [SLUG] ssh certificate logins

2008-10-12 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:48:59PM +1100, Owen Townend wrote:
 2008/10/12 Del [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Mary Gardiner wrote:
 
  There is one potential disadvantage of non-standard ports: there are a
  few networks with a default-deny outgoing connection policy who open
  port 22, but do not open most ports. (I find 443 the most useful
  alternative port to run SSH on, outgoing to 443/HTTPS is very often
  open!)
 
  OK, raise their hand everyone here who runs an SSH server somewhere out on
  the net on port 443 for the deliberate purpose of tunneling through a
  work-related proxy server / firewall combination to do non-proxy-allowed
  stuff.
 
  (/me sheepishly raises hand)
 
  (/me points at *everyone* at a certain large organisation that will remain
  nameless)

sort of, I use 563 which is nntps and many large org's allow this
through as well, I did this before openvpn could shadow a port so that
you can have 443 be https and openvpn

Alex

 
  :)
 
  Del
 
 /me raises hand
 Though only since contracting at said large organisation[1]... there
 are other ways at uni.
 
 cheers,
 Owen.
 
 Footnotes:
 --
 [1] Assuming we're thinking of the same one... otherwise... it's the same 
 idea.
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Re: [SLUG] ssh certificate logins

2008-10-12 Thread jam
On Sunday 12 October 2008 10:00:04 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We

 I don't know what makes you flame so hard with a simple suggestion of mine.

 I've tested PortKnock, I like it and I feel comfortable with it. Since
 Phill had asked an open question for alternative approaches to secure his
 network, I made a simple suggestion.

 I don't know why you take it so personally to prove your point better than
 mine and start an all out war with it, or is it the technical supremacy ego
 that kicks in at times...

 Mate, we all don't know everything, but we're here to learn and share with
  
 others... I'm sure you have more knowledge and experience than me and I
 respect you for that. And I'm sure your CGI script or some other approach
 would do the trick just fine, but what I learnt along the way I thought
 of sharing in this space am I wrong for it, you be the judge.

IMHO port knocking is a silly waste of complexity, specially since 
establishing (in practice) that non-standard ports makes the problem 
disappear so in that respect I found Daniels arguments well presented and met 
the goals of 'learn and share'. 
He may have presented his argument pedantically, but each and every assertion 
is presented in a way that I can debate or test, so it was very useful

James


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[SLUG] linux.conf.au 2009: programme announced and registrations open

2008-10-12 Thread Mary Gardiner
Hi all,

linux.conf.au 2009 (Hobart, January) has announced their programme and
ticket registrations are open. Hobbyist and Professional registration
levels have early bird prices until 3 November or until the earlybird
limit of 200 tickets is reached, whichever happens *sooner*.

Programme: http://linux.conf.au/programme/schedule/
Registration: http://linux.conf.au/register/prices_ticket_types

-Mary
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