Re: [SLUG] Re: Australian government to censor your internets

[Simon Rumble]

Very good advice on crafting a letter that will actually get noticed.  Kind
of a postal DDoS.

Bernard Keane’s guide to writing to Ministers
http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/16/dont-waste-your-time-waste-theirs-a-guide-to-writing-to-ministers/

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Australian government to censor your internets

[Dean Hamstead]

Where do we get these people.


They congregate in to 'Parties', meet monthly, and people vote for them. 
They fill up three levels of government, with an upper and lower house 
for state and federal :)




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Re: [SLUG] Re: Australian government to censor your internets

[Dmitry Smirnov]

If someone going to write about it maybe we could post some good convincing
phrases why internet filtering is wrong?
I'd like to borrow some good arguments for letter to MP.



2009/12/16 Darryl Barlow 

> Makes Senator Alston seem almost benign in comparison.
>
> My favourite quote:
>
> “The report into the pilot trial of ISP-level filtering demonstrates that
> blocking RC-rated material can be done with 100% accuracy and negligible
> impact on internet speed,” Senator Conroy said.
>
> Where do we get these people.
>
> Darryl Barlow
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[SLUG] Re: Australian government to censor your internets

[Darryl Barlow]

Makes Senator Alston seem almost benign in comparison.

My favourite quote:

“The report into the pilot trial of ISP-level filtering demonstrates that
blocking RC-rated material can be done with 100% accuracy and negligible
impact on internet speed,” Senator Conroy said.

Where do we get these people.

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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Dmitry Smirnov]

Few links related to Conroy's censorship:

https://broowery.com/
http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/

http://www.zdnet.com.au/story_media/339300056/ISP_Filtering_Live_Pilot_Report_low_res.pdf
 (October
2009)

Can't open wikileaks.org at the moment :(



2009/12/16 Jeff Waugh 

> 
>
> > Not only them, but also http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet
> > But I'm afraid it might be already too late.
>
> No, this is actually a good step forward -> they have now said they're
> going
> to introduce legislation next year and have released the report, so now
> it's
> very real. Not just "twinkle in the eye" real.
>
> Political pressure begins now.
>
> (In the next few days, details about a combined EFA/GetUp! campaign should
> be announced. We have from now -- hindered by end-of-year
> take-out-the-trash
> announcement of the report -- until August/September next year. We *can*
> fix
> this.)
>
> - Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Jeff Waugh]

> Not only them, but also http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet
> But I'm afraid it might be already too late.

No, this is actually a good step forward -> they have now said they're going
to introduce legislation next year and have released the report, so now it's
very real. Not just "twinkle in the eye" real.

Political pressure begins now.

(In the next few days, details about a combined EFA/GetUp! campaign should
be announced. We have from now -- hindered by end-of-year take-out-the-trash
announcement of the report -- until August/September next year. We *can* fix
this.)

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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Daniel Pittman]

jam  writes:
>
>> I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
>
>> Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be censored
>> next year.
>
>> http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
>
> I wrote to Conroy talking about proxies and ssh tunnels and received back
> many pages reminiscent of 'Shirley Valentine' 'Hello wall ...'
>
> Then, older and wiser, I realized *doing something* and being seen *to do
> something* are vastly different and after all it's *your* $100 million ...

Sad, isn't it?  The old government joke still applies:

   This is Terrible!  We must do something!
   This is Something!
   Therefore, we must do this!

Senator Conroy's office is not stupid, but doesn't seem likely to change.  In
addition to contacting them, getting in touch with your own member, the
senate, and other relevant groups is a big help:

http://nocleanfeed.com/action.html

Regards,
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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Dmitry Smirnov]

Thanks Marty.

Not only them, but also http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet
But I'm afraid it might be already too late.

It's not only humiliating, I think Australians will only feel more
isolated.
It doesn't matter what they intend to filter but introducing such an
instrument to control what people can access is quite evil. This censorship
tool shouldn't exist in our society because of fears of improper use. (And I
believe it will be used improperly either deliberately or unintentionally)
It's not government's responsibility to "protect" children and adults
shouldn't be "protected" without their consent.
It's such a shame that we're going to join countries who doesn't even
pretend to have independent media and freedom of speech... :(


2009/12/16 Marty Richards 

> Hi Dmitry,
>
> I agree, this should be actively opposed and it will be - Electronic
> Frontiers Australia are already on the case - http://nocleanfeed.com
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
>
>
> Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>
>> Guys this is bloody serious -- let's do something about it.
>> Petitions, complaints, protests -- anything!
>> Whom we can write about it? Any ideas how to resist?
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/15 Mike :
>>
>>
>>> I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be
>>> censored
>>> next year.
>>>
>>> http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
>>>
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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[jam]

> I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.

> Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be  
> censored next year.

> http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115

I wrote to Conroy talking about proxies and ssh tunnels and received back many 
pages reminiscent of 'Shirley Valentine' 'Hello wall ...'

Then, older and wiser, I realized *doing something* and being seen *to do 
something* are vastly different and after all it's *your* $100 million ...

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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Marty Richards]

Hi Dmitry,

I agree, this should be actively opposed and it will be - Electronic 
Frontiers Australia are already on the case - http://nocleanfeed.com


Cheers,
Marty

Dmitry Smirnov wrote:

Guys this is bloody serious -- let's do something about it.
Petitions, complaints, protests -- anything!
Whom we can write about it? Any ideas how to resist?


2009/12/15 Mike :
  

I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.

Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be censored
next year.

http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115


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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Dmitry Smirnov]

Guys this is bloody serious -- let's do something about it.
Petitions, complaints, protests -- anything!
Whom we can write about it? Any ideas how to resist?


2009/12/15 Mike :
> I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.
>
> Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be censored
> next year.
>
> http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
>
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Re: [SLUG] Australian government to censor your internets

[Dean Hamstead]

Youre forgetting how wholeheartedly the people of australia voted in the 
current labor government.


Although this should really move to slug-chat

Dean

Mike wrote:

I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it doesn't.

Well looks like the government got it's way. Our Internet will be 
censored next year.


http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115



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