Re: [SLUG] Re: [Jobs] Systems Admin - Build Engineer

2011-05-24 Thread Del

My experience would put that salary at a high level helpdesk person, with
what they are asking more towards the 80-100K range.
Or am I being somewhat ambitious with my views?


No, not ambitious.  I had the job pushed at a few people I know by the recruitment agent late 
last week.  They want a degree qualified Linux Admin with extensive development experience as 
well as able to be a MySQL DBA.  When I found out the salary on offer my response was you are 
joking, right?.


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Re: [SLUG] Re: [Jobs] Systems Admin - Build Engineer

2011-05-24 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, May 24, 2011, Del wrote:
 My experience would put that salary at a high level helpdesk person, with
 what they are asking more towards the 80-100K range.
 Or am I being somewhat ambitious with my views?
 
 No, not ambitious.  I had the job pushed at a few people I know by the 
 recruitment agent late last week.  They want a degree qualified Linux Admin 
 with extensive development experience as well as able to be a MySQL DBA.  
 When I found out the salary on offer my response was you are joking, 
 right?.

+1.

The above is basically why I stopped hunting for thos kinds of contracts
outside of very narrow markets (eg financial contracts); most (local) places
seeking all of the above expect(ed) to pay the equivalent of $60k - $65k pa
for it.



Adrian

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[SLUG] Linux in Australia in 2012 - trends..

2011-05-24 Thread David Lyon
Opinions sought...

What will happen in Linux in Australia in 2012?

Yes Ubuntu is nice, but Android is surely set to be a competitor ?

Is anyone going to retrofit Linux for sensors and A/D ports? Accelerometers?
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Re: [SLUG] Linux in Australia in 2012 - trends..

2011-05-24 Thread Peter Chubb
 David == David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com writes:

David Opinions sought...  What will happen in Linux in Australia in
David 2012?

David Yes Ubuntu is nice, but Android is surely set to be a
David competitor ?


David Is anyone going to retrofit Linux for sensors and A/D ports?
David Accelerometers?  

Linux already has drivers for all these things.  Embedded Linux is
huge, and has been for some time --- almost every modern high end embedded
device (set-top box, in-vehicle entertainment system, mobile phone,
mine gas sensors, security system, etc., etc) has linux somehwere in
teh mix.

The big thing coming up is more virtualisation, and moving
virtualisation onto the embedded device.  Arm have announced hardware
virtualisation for their chips; and there are sound reasons for using
it in sensitive applications.

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Re: [SLUG] Re: [Jobs] Systems Admin - Build Engineer

2011-05-24 Thread Amos Shapira
On 24 May 2011 13:24, Simon Rumble si...@rumble.net wrote:

 Try to find companies that advertise direct.  Whirlpool is a good place for
 that kind of thing.  If Python is your thing, try finding out what big
 companies are doing Python in a big way in Sydney and contact them, and
 find
 others in the community who work for them (LinkedIn is your friend).


Snipey (http://www.snipey.com.au/) is supposed to be an aggregator of direct
job postings by companies.

I haven't done anything through them so can't testify on their quality.

Good luck,

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Re: [SLUG] Re: [Jobs] Systems Admin - Build Engineer

2011-05-24 Thread Piers Rowan

On 05/24/2011 12:54 PM, Simon Rumble wrote:


You're talking to the wrong people.  Lemme guess, recruitment agents with
English accents, straight off the plane from England but claiming to have
extensive contacts in the industry?  They're idiots. Every last one of them.
  They'll be reading your somewhat eclectic CV and see that as a liability,
which is idiotic of course but they're idiots you see.  Since they have
absolutely no understanding of what we do, they just parse a checklist of
skills against your CV.


There are two discussions I know of on LinkedIn regarding IT recruiters. 
One in the Australian IT Industry group asking for your top five 
complaints about recruiters. (If you are going to post have a read of 
all the comments first - you might learn something [and grab a large 
coffee first its rather long])


...and secondly in Australian  New Zealand Recruitment Network where 
recruiters are discussing how they can *fix and address* the *valid* 
complaints IT (and other) candidates have.


The comments about imported recruiters have been made on both LinkedIn 
groups.



Try to find companies that advertise direct.


In some (many?) cases recruiters are filling positions you are 
interested in so dealing with them is part of the employment landscape.


My advice:

* Make an effort to build a relationship with smaller numbers of 
recruiter who you get better service from, find them, stick with them.


* They are time poor and dealing with 100's of different people each 
week - give them a break and start every phone conversation with a 
couple of words to job their memory Hi its David, the DBA candidate for 
the North Shore role...


* Vote with your feet - walk away from recruiters that mess you about 
and tell them eg: You told me the role was paying $80k but in interview 
the employer said it was $70k (it might be that the *employer* made a 
mistake or lied - give the recruiter enough feedback to mend their evil 
ways.




If there's a job you really want that's got a recruitment agent in the way,
put in a custom CV that ticks all the mandatory boxes, plus something
ridiculously wrong but funny (12 years Ruby on Rails experience).  Hopefully
you'll get through to someone with a brain who'll find it funny and decide
to call you.



That's not good advice. (I find it funny and can look past it but I 
wouldn't bet you career on the recruiter or employer doing sowould you?)




The IT recruitment agency slogan:
If you can, do.  If you can't, have you considered a career in IT
recruitment?



Most engineers and IT people make lousy recruiters, one of the biggest 
complaints that IT candidate have is that the recruiter doesn't 
understand the job (aka they are not an engineer / IT person).


Now just some caveats:

* I've been in the Recruitment Industry since 1991
* Most recently as a developer of recruitment software
* I manage the Australian  New Zealand Recruitment Network group on 
LinkedIn and kicked off the discussion so that recruiters could fix 
their own back yard - and OF COURSE they want to!
* I have hired engineers a number of times (grad, ord, masters and up to 
professor level) and without exception none of them could do the 
recruitment role, but I know of people in the industry who are engineers 
and can
* The discussion on Australian IT Industry has much larger feedback 
from both sides - most of which is valid - and if you care about this 
topic then I suggest you read it.



The reason I have posted a reply is that in all the LUG's their are 
people with a wealth of experience and knowledge and also young people 
starting out on their careers. It would be unfair to the latter group to 
have Simon's opinion (which he is perfectly entitled to) go uncontested 
since - IMHO - the problems won't exactly go away so people might as 
well know how to deal with them.


Trust me - I've been using Linux years before I was in recruitment!

Cheers

P

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