[SLUG] Some events
Here are some events which I thought may appeal to SLUG members (it would be great if they could appear in the SLUG calendar :-)): ** The OpenSkills social evening will be held this Wednesday evening at the Cohi Bar from 18:30. It's a chance to network, get your key signed and to get OpenSkills to do the things you need it to do. It's also the last chance to pick up a 2006 DevCon pin! The social evening follows the committee meeting (the link has more details of the venue): http://wiki.openskills.org/OpenSkills/Agenda+for+Committee+meeting+38 ** There will be a Sydney Smalltalk User Group meeting this Friday at the ACS NSW offices in Sydney. The easiest place to get all the details is on the speakers blog: http://tinyurl.com/gz3eb ** There will be an ACS FOSS SIG meeting next Thursday (the 29th) by Del Elson about the Fedora directory services. No charge for coming along (I mention this only because some ACS SIG *do* charge non-members) . Details on the ACS NSW site: http://tinyurl.com/lyo3d All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Calendar
The SLUG calendar does not seem to reflect upcoming events. Is the calendar no longer used? I ask because I plugged the SLUG calendar into my Google calendar and nothing showed up. I used the following link to the SLUG calendar: http://www.slug.org.au/events/event.ics Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] BSD SOckets
Chaps, Where is the specification of BSD sockets definitively expressed? What standards body is responsible for the specification? I read that BSD Sockets are a de facto standard (e.g. in RFC 2553), so the answers may be nowhere and nobody respectively ... but I'm hoping there is a body somewhere that owns the spec. Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] re-announce: DebSIG Meeting: Wednesday April 12, 2006
On 10/04/06, Lindsay Holmwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK, Bruce had taken care of the bookings. yes, we have the bookings in hand. We have the second Wednesday booked for the next few months, and we'll probably roll that forward. The Cohi Bar is a great venue for our needs. BTW, the meeting isn't the OpenSkills AGM, it's just the regular board meeting at 18:00 followed by the social evening at 18:30 ... and this week we are luckly enough to have the DebSig and Christof Wittig along to our social evening. :-) All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] DebSIG Meeting: Wednesday April 12, 2006
On 10/04/06, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guest speaker Christof Wittig will be talking about db4o OODBMSes came and went as a technology in the late 80s/early 90s, so you might be saying WTF? Hey! Less of the went! :-) The OpenSkills SkillsBase uses a Smalltalk OODB called GemStone in production, and as it happens I will be giving a talk about this at Linux World / Smalltalk Solutions in Toronto in a couple of weeks time: http://www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca/smalltalk.cfm ... and because of my current interest in OODBs I'm very much looking forward to hearing what Christof has to say on Wednesday. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linuxworld Success!
I'd like to add my thanks to LA for letting us have some OpenSkills beer mats on the display, and for those on the LA stand for handing them out. Many thanks! -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [Linux-aus] ACS FOSS SIG
On 28/03/06, Matthew Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, we have WWF sorted, now we have to deal with Ah, OK. Sorry about that. ACS Australian Computer Society FOSS Free Open Source Software SIG Special Interest Group CMS Content Management System And which CMS is it? I don't know! This ACS FOSS SIG Is a tale of how the WWF found their CMS. :-) All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ACS FOSS SIG
As quite a few people will be in town for the Linux World conference, I thought I'd mention the ACS FOSS SIG talk on Thursday evening given by Matt Moore (SLUG member and all-round good guy) and a colleague of his from the WWF. The talk is about the CMS system used by the WWF. Details of the time and venue are here: http://tinyurl.com/rwfec All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ACS FOSS SIG
On 27/03/06, Craige McWhirter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 14:09 +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: Details of the time and venue are here: http://tinyurl.com/rwfec Is registering necessary or merely optional? Not necessary, but appreciated. I hope to see you there :-) -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Ubuntu Flight 5 - blank screen
On 25/03/06, Bruce Badger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The system hung with the blank screen there and nothing else happening. The system responds to pings, but does not visibly respond to any keyboard input (e.g. trying to select other ttys). I restarted in recovery mode (from the Grub menu) and got a root prompt quite quickly. startx started X and Gnome fine, except for some scary messages about failing to initialise HAL and dbus not running. I ran the system upgrade and restarted and lo! Thinks came up fine. ... now to try recording from the built-in mic -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Flight 5 - blank screen
On 25/03/06, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 17:46 +1100, Bruce Badger wrote: The system hung with the blank screen there and nothing else happening. The system responds to pings, but does not visibly respond to any keyboard input (e.g. trying to select other ttys). Don't suppose you have an ATI video card? It's an S3 card. It looks like I have Dapper running nicely now. :-) Many thanks for the response, though! -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Dapper the Microphone
I'm still trying to get the microphone on my Thinkpad T21 to be picked up by recording apps (e.g. Audacity). I've installed Dapper Drake (Flight 5) and have the same symptoms I had with Debian Sarge. The mic works fine. I can hear sound from the mic through the laptop loudspeakers and headphones. I can control the volume of the mic and mute/un-mute it using the Gnome Volume Control app. I see in the Volume Control under Capture that I can enable/disable the mic for recording. I have the microphone volume set to a reasonable level (I can hear it through the speakers, but no feedback howl). I have both the mute/un-mute and audio capture buttons such that the little red x is *not* showing. ... but if I run Audacity and hit the record button, none of the sound I can hear coming to the speakers from the mic is recorded. I end up with a recording of silence. This must be some stupid config thing I'm missing. It works fine under Knoppix 4, so it is possible to get Audacity to record if things are set up right ... but what is right and how can I figure out what the problem is with the configuration under Dapper? Any suggestions? Please? -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Dapper the Microphone
On 26/03/06, Matt Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 10:18:11AM +1100, Bruce Badger wrote: ... but if I run Audacity and hit the record button, none of the sound I can hear coming to the speakers from the mic is recorded. I end up with a recording of silence. I reckon that your system has managed to find itself two microphones, and Audacity is recording off the wrong one. It's about the only thing left that's a possibility. Knoppix probably gets it right by accident, by switching the mics around in their load order or something crazy. Yeah, I came across this on my desktop workstation. With that I could not get the mic to work either, but I found in alsamixer that I could select mic2. Once I did that, I could hear sound from the mic through the speakers *and* record. On the Thinkpad, if I switch to mic2 in alsamixer I can no longer hear sound from the mic through the speakers, nor do the recording apps capture any sound :-( Is there a diagnostic tool that can reveal more information? BTW, in the Gnome Sound Recorder, the Record from input: drop down menu contains 45 (!) entries. There are 8 unique values in the list (e.g. Line-in CD Microphone ...) but the are repeated several times. Odd in itself. I had someone mention KMix so I've given that a go as well. KMix reveals many more options and I must have worked through every possible combination - no joy :-( I would be good if there was some kind of absolute identity for the microphone and some way of directing the recording programs to it - at the moment the recording programs look at /dev/dsp and then a miracle occurs ... or in this case, does not. Thanks for all the suggestions so far. -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu Flight 5 - blank screen
In trying to solve a problem with recording sound using the built in mic on my Thinkpad T21, I thought I'd give the latest flight of Ubuntu a try. I burned the Flight 5 Ubuntu CD and went through the install to the point where the CD was ejected and the system rebooted. Everything seemed OK up to that point. When the system rebooted, I saw the graphical boot stuff with the messages scrolling on the brown screen under the Ubuntu logo. Then the screen went blank except for a non-blinking cursor in the top left of the screen, then I heard the tom-tom drum sound that usually accompanies the opening of the logon screen ... and that's it. The system hung with the blank screen there and nothing else happening. The system responds to pings, but does not visibly respond to any keyboard input (e.g. trying to select other ttys). Help/guidance would be much appreciated. Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Sound Recording - not
Apologies for the breach of netiquette in replying to myself, but I have news of progress. Not much, but some. Using Knoppix 4 I can get sound recording applications to record sound from the built-in mic on my Thinkpad. So, the hardware is fine. I have recording working on another sarge box here, so I can see that the recording apps do work under sarge (not too big a surprise). ... but I'm still stumped trying to get (e.g.) Audacity (thanks James) recording from the mic on my Thinkpad. I do hear sounds from the mic on the speaker (as I do when under Knoppix, and on the other box). I can control the volume of the mic on the Thinkpad and can mute it through the Gnome volume control. But recording apps get nothing. I'd be happy to R an FM or a troubleshooting guide if someone could point me to one. I have Googled, but have not found anything that has helped so far. Many thanks. Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Sound Recording - not
I'd like to record some sound on my venerable Thinkpad T21 which is running Debian sarge. I can hear sound picked up from the microphone through the onboard speakers or via headphones. I can control the volume of the mic using the Gnome volume control and Alsa mixer. I can also mute and un-mute using the Gnome volume control. I can also get a really loud feedback noise :-) But (!) I can't get any application to record the sound from the mic to a file. I've tried arecord and Gnome Sound Recorder. Any suggestions of what I should try or what I should read? Many thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Sound Recording - not
On 22/03/06, James Purser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to record some sound on my venerable Thinkpad T21 which is running Debian sarge. Have you tried Audacity yet? I hadn't. Nor Sweep. But I have tried both now, and neither of those will record from the mic either. :-( Thanks for the suggestion, though. Audacity and Sweep are very nice. I love scrubby! All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SSH/Bash journal
In the days of teletypes you had a hard-copy record of everything that happend in a shell session - the paper teletype roll. Is there a way to get a journal (electronic is fine, no need for the roll :-)) produced for SSH/Bash sessions? Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SSH/Bash journal
Thank you all for the great information. Best regards, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Looking for speakers
Hi all, I'm looking for speakers for the ACS FOSS SIG. If you can give a talk on a FOSS related subject, and you are free one last Thursday in the month ... of if you know of someone else who could give such a talk, please let me know. This is a chance to get a slightly different slice of the Australian IT industry excited about what's happening in the FOSS world. Many thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] [Fwd: [sydney-stug] Sydney Smalltalk Meeting at the James Squire on Monday 12th December 6PM]
I thought I'd pass on this announcement for a Smalltalk User Group meeting on the evening of Monday 12th. If dynamic languages and AI interest you, do come along. Forwarded Message From: McNeil, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [sydney-stug] Sydney Smalltalk Meeting at the James Squire on Hi All This is somewhat short notice, but for those who are interested we are planning a Sydney Smalltalk Users Group meeting for Monday 12th December 6PM at the James Squire at Kings Street Wharf down at Darling Harbour. http://www.malt-shovel.com.au/frames.asp?page=brewhouse.asp We don't have a formal room booked, but we may be able to hijack the Ward Room if it is not occupied. As a special guest we will have David Long from Canadian firm Satellite Forces who have some great technology revolving around defining and automating business processes, based on an AI engine all based on VisualWorks. I'll add a more detailed bio and info shortly. David is in Australia for a month on holidays and keen to meet up with other Smalltalkers while he is here. Apart from Sydney I know he'll be in Canberra as well. Regards Andrew McNeil ___ Sydney-stug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openskills.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sydney-stug -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Anyone know of a LISP Users group in Sydney ?
On 10/26/05, Mark Jonathan Greenaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow SLUGers, Does anyone know of any LISP user groups in our fair city ? Nope, but I'm willing to get involved with one. I'd probably pop along to such a thing largely out of curiousity. I think there are many people on this list who have at least had a passing infatuation with LISP, or something like it. If you like LISP, you might like Smalltalk as well. And, if Smalltalk *does* interest you, there is a Sydney Smalltalk user group. We tend to meet on demand (when someone has something interesting to show), and needless to say we have a mailing list, which you can sign up for here: http://lists.openskills.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sydney-stug Lispers would also be most welcome :-) All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Software Idea Patents - another nudge
SLUGgers, if you think software idea patents are a bad thing, you can do a little something to help, at least in Europe. There is a poll to find the European of the Year which is open to anyone, no matter where they live. Some of the candidates have worked to keep software idea patents out of Europe. If right-minded people win, it will help raise the No Software Patents profile. To this end, nosoftwarepatents.com have set up a page suggesting how you might vote: http://tinyurl.com/byo7j You might like to spread the word to other groups too! All the best Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)
On 9/29/05, Angus Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:00:09 +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: In fact, the very best of the JITing VMs can get performance that exceeds that attainable by static compilation - because there is more information available at run time to base the tuning decisions upon. If a program's use changes over its invocation, and the JIT continually shifts its optimisation targets, then I can see the potential benefit of this approach. I don't believe, however, that there are many programs that have this dynamic behaviour. I agree. It is only in very dynamic, high throughput and long-lived services that one would see a measurable benefit in having such a sophisticated VM, though I would not be surprised to see heavily used web servers falling into this category. You can gain the same runtime knowledge in a statically compiled C program by compiling with gcc's -ffprofile-arcs, running over some typical use cases (will write a bunch of .gcda files) and then recompiling with -fbranch-probabilities. Right. For static problems, or problems with a well understood number of modes of operation static compilation can be superb. For each new mode encountered in the wild, though, one would have to tweak the compiler hints and rebuild to keep up with our imaginary perfect JITer. I think the key is your first point. The cases where absolute performance is critical are very rare indeed. I'm happy, though, that I am using an environment where I can focus on the problem at hand, and delegate many low-level issues to the environment itself and at the same time expect performance on a par with (and perhaps even better than?) the best hand-crafted binaries. Only real circumstances will tell. I'd love to work in an environment that was sophisticated and high-load enough to put some of the advanced JITing VMs to the test. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps
On 9/29/05, O Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Badger wrote: integerArray := #(1 -2 3 -4 5 -6 -7 8 -9 32727000 9876543210). On my Computer which is a 32-bit, my C compiler is able to handle Integer size 4 bytes = 32 bits. So 2 exponent 32 less 1 is 2147483647. This is the max that my computer can handle. Can't handle your number 9876543210. With C on 64-bit your number will not be a problem as an integer. C integer is size 8 bytes = 64 bits. So 2 exponent 64 less 1 can be handled. Is your computer 64-bit or does smalltalk handles wider size integers ? Smalltalk can handle integers of an arbitrary size, limited only by the physical resources of the machine (e.g. RAM). e.g. The following are Smalltalk expressions with results on the following line: 2 ** 64 18446744073709551616 2 ** 128 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 2 ** 256 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 It sounds like Python can do this too. As can Ruby (I just checked). All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C-Pointers and Perl ?
On 9/30/05, Benno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, but I don't agree with him. If the language is good, there is no reason why it *shouldn't* be used for device driver programming. The languages that save developers worrying about if a number is too big to be an integer mostly do the insulating by lifting the programmer away from physical resources. So, for example, memory allocation and deallocation is magic. For problems that requires memory mapping, VM based languages are not going to be a good fit (given my experience of them, anyway). Device drivers are, in general, buggy pieces of crap, so having a higher level language to program them in would be a *really* good thing. I certainly agree with this sentiment. I've written bindings to allow you to program drivers in python before, unfortunately the result wastoo slow :(. So a higher level compiled language like O'Caml might be kind of cool. Smalltalk may be interesting, then. GNU Smalltalk is pretty quick, I understand. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] C-Pointers and Perl ?
On 9/30/05, Benno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Sep 30, 2005 at 10:24:56 +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: For problems that requires memory mapping, VM based languages are not going to be a good fit (given my experience of them, anyway). Mmm, that is true. Languages I've used/know of, generally have `a way out', some way to bypass this, by writing some small stub in C. Which I guess I was assuming O'Caml (or smalltalk) would have. Ah, I see. Yes, calling out to C is doable in a number of ways from a Smalltalk runtime. The options cover calling a library and also adding primitive functions to the Smalltalk VM. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps
On 9/28/05, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are doing low volumes, I can't imagine a punter using mutt. It's really hard to convince someone raised on gui that consoles are actually easier. Perhaps we could have a SLUG talk on mutt? I've heard so many good things about mutt, so I'l like to give it a try, but feel that I don't have the time to learn how to get going with it. So, a talk that covered: o Running mutt for the very first time o Configuring for IMAP ( and POP, and local mail file etc...) o How to fetch read mail o efficient ways of searching mail o how to send an email o how to filter mail (e.g. I have Evolution move my mail around as it arrives) o just *why* mutt is more efficient that a GUI mail tool ... and all the things that makes mutt cool! :-) All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)
On 9/27/05, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with dynamic typing is that it postones testing for an important class of errors (type errors) until run time. Nah. In fact the oposite is true. Static typing is just another form of premature optimisation! I make extensive use of dynamically typed languages (Smalltalk mostly) and the class of problem one might imagine that static typing save you from I just don't encounter in practice. Each to their own, of course :-) -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)
On 9/27/05, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are large classes of problems where running speed is an important issue. Static typing does make for faster run times and in cases where that moves your program from being too slow to being fast enough, that is not a premature optimisation. Modern VMs (e.g. many of the Smalltalk VMs) dynamically compile code, i.e. they JIT. The more sophisticated ones use type inferencing to tighten up the compiled code at runtime. This adds the runtime benefits of having type information to the coding time benefits of dynamic typing. In fact, the very best of the JITing VMs can get performance that exceeds that attainable by static compilation - because there is more information available at run time to base the tuning decisions upon. The down side to JITing is that there is a start-up cost. Every time a program starts, the process of compiling and tuning begins. Statically compiled code is therefore much faster out of the blocks. This is very much like the story of the tortoise and the hare - the quality JIT will overtake the statically compiled code, but whether it will do it before the end of the race depends on the length and nature of the race. Horses (or tortoises) for courses. Of course, languages like Ocaml bring bring significant coding time benefits to the table too! The declarative nature of Objective Caml suits some kinds of problems really well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of Smalltalk is that all objects live in a class heirarchy that inherits from a base class. Given a sane programmer - yes. There are ways to create new root classes, but anyone doing this in code destined for a production environment should scolded, and perhaps even spanked. That means that given an operation on two objects A and B that is not defined on A and B, then the runtime system can walk back along the class heirarchy of both A and B until (hopefully) it finds parent classes of A and B that do allow the required operation. Exactly All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps
On 9/27/05, O Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can RTFM but if I can see the equivalent of this code, it'd be helpful.
I wish to have a quick idea of the language.
#include stdio.h
int integer_array[] = {1,-2,3,-4,5,-6,-7,8,-9,32727000};
int *ptr;
int main(void)
{
int i;
ptr = integer_array[0];
printf(\n\n);
for (i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
printf(integer_array[%d] = %d ,i,integer_array[i]);
printf(ptr + %d = %d\n,i, *(ptr + i));
}
return 0;
}
In Smalltalk:
integerArray := #(1 -2 3 -4 5 -6 -7 8 -9 32727000 9876543210).
Transcript cr.
1 to: integerArray size do: [:index|
Transcript
show: 'integerArray[', index printString, '] = ';
show: (integerArray at: index) printString;
cr].
^0
Notes:
o The index of the first position in an Array is 1
o Objects have a memory address, but only the VM knows what it is
o I popped in a larger number at the end of the Array :-)
Here is the result of evaluating the above:
integerArray[1] = 1
integerArray[2] = -2
integerArray[3] = 3
integerArray[4] = -4
integerArray[5] = 5
integerArray[6] = -6
integerArray[7] = -7
integerArray[8] = 8
integerArray[9] = -9
integerArray[10] = 32727000
integerArray[11] = 9876543210
All the best,
Bruce
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Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking
On 9/27/05, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 12:00 +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: As a developer intent on doing the best job possible, I want to discover whole classes of bugs long before the corresponding unit test is executed. (E.g. my keyboard can't spel.) I certainly share the desire to do a good job! Wrt bugs, I'm quite happy if I can find the problems before I check code into my version control system. I tend to be running SUnit tests while I am writing code and debugging. BTW, the Smalltalk IDE I use does have a spell checker that picks up many typos (I know - I have clumsy fingers :-/). What is essential in a production environment is a way to validate the code for trivially stupid mistakes, like a = b.c where b is an int, and c is a struct member; or prentf(%g\m, 4) Right, before we get to the production system. This is the kind of thing I had in mind when I said I don't experience the problems one might imagine static typing would save you from. The worst are some interpretive languages where whole code blocks are parsed at run time, creating the wonderful situation where customers (!) ring up and say what does syntax error mean? [Aside: Languages can be implemented in many ways - e.g. there are statically compiling Smalltalk IDEs C can be interpreted. Yes, Smalltalk tends to be dynamically compiled and C tends to be statically compiled, but that's not the fault of the language.] Production environments can throw up all kinds of surprises, mostly because users do unexpected things or present unexpected data. Neither static typing nor unit tests will give you a 100% guarantee against a system doing something embarrassing. I reckon no code coverage tool can cover 100% of situations either, even if it does help you cover 100% of the code. Surprises are inevitable. Clearly it is possible to build excellent system using all kinds of tool sets. It's possible to build crap systems too. IMO, the best tool for the job is the one that developer finds to be the best one for the job. Of course, a good developer will keep an open mind and look out for different and perhaps better ways of doing things, but having a current preferred tool set is important (BTW flitting from one tool to the next in hope of a silver bullet is as bad as sticking with what you know and not keeping an open mind, IMO). For myself, I think the best trade-off is to be found using Smalltalk as the primary language. :-) All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] curious javascript phenomenon
On 8/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a _javascript_ file that gets imported into a php page. The curious thing about this is that if I name the the file:'cust.js', one particular field doesn't get checked. If I name the file something else like 'testJS2.js', then all checking worksabsolutely perfectly. Do you have more that one _javascript_ fragment called 'cust.js'? -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkillshttp://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Squid accelerator + SSL
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 12:00 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if this is even possible. We have an Exchange server behind our Linux firewall runnning webmail on port 80. Would it be possible to run Squid as an accelerator on the firewall but adding SSL to it? So basically within our lan it uses http but from outside (the firewall via Squid) it uses https. Any ideas on how to make this webmail run over https outside our network. Thanks. Carlo I certainly hope this is possible, because this is exactly what we plan to do for the OpenSkills SkillsBase and membership systems. Rob Collins pointed in the direction of the (still unreleased) Squid 3.0 as having better reverse-proxy support for authentication, SSL and load balancing. So far we are using the authentication capability only, but have tested out the load balancing. The SSL stuff is on the list of things to do soon. If you would like to work together on this, let me know. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Co-lo, UML Dedicated servers
Just after some recommendations on the above probably in that order. Machines don't need to be overly powerful but reasonable traffic allowance would be good. The Co-lo would need to be located in sydney the others I'm fairly ambivalent about (but if O/S a nice exchange rate helps) All OpenSkills services are run on UML servers hosted by: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/index.html Which has worked out very well for us. HTH, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] 2-Way power splitter
I think I left my 2-way power splitter behind at the last DebSIG held at the James Squire Brewpub. Did some kind soul pick it up? It has a sticker on it with my email address. Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Unzipping a big file
I'm having a problem unzipping a large file. I get: ... write error (disk full?). Which is, you would think, a hint that the disk is full. But I have 20GB free and everything is in the / partition. I created a 600MB file, and used cat as follows: cat 600.file 600.file 600.file 600.file BigFile This worked fine, and I ended up with a 2.4GB file as expected. ... and yet unzip seems to just hit a wall. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could diagnose this situation? I'm using Debian sarge, BTW. Many thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Unzipping a big file
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 13:20 +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 13:09 +1100, Bruce Badger wrote: I'm having a problem unzipping a large file. I get: ... write error (disk full?). Its probably not been built with 64-bit file pointers. try unzip BigFile which will use stdio rather than a file. Brilliant! Thanks for the pointer. This worked fine: unzip -bp vm.zip BigFile | cat BigFile Also, you could use a 64-bit box :) Alas, my excuse for getting one is blown now you suggested using stdio. Thanks again, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] USB /dev/???
How can I work out the device name of a USB device? So, I plug in my USB device. I see the device in usbview. How can I work out what node in the /dev/ tree has been mapped to the device I just plugged in? Thanks. -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] OpenSkills social evening
There will be an OpenSkills social evening at the James Squire Brewhouse tomorrow (Wednesday 10th) evening at 20:00. http://www.malt-shovel.com.au/brewhouse.asp?Sydney=true People (and wireless Internet access) will be there quite a bit earlier as we'll be having some more formal meetings 20:00 (a ctte meeting and an SGM). Anyway, if you'd like to find out more about OpenSkills and perhaps have a look at the systems available for members, and ones in the works too, please come along. Please also come along if you just want to chat about making a living as a skilled individual in the IT industry. I hope to see you there. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 3d graphics viewing/modelling
From: Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] The sort of thing I'd like to be able to do is define a 2d shape like this (ascii art): +---+ | | +---+ | | +-+ Spin axis == +-+ and then spin it around the spin axis shown to trace out a 3d shape. I'd then like to be able view the resulting 3d shape, spinning it to look at it from different angles. You can do all of this using Jun for Smalltalk. Jun is an OpenGL wrapper. http://www.srainc.com/Jun/Main_e.htm Jun is GPLed. HTH Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 3d graphics viewing/modelling
From: Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] The sort of thing I'd like to be able to do is define a 2d shape like this (ascii art): and then spin it around the spin axis shown to trace out a 3d shape. Ah, here is an example of what I thing you are asking for as seen when using Jun for Smalltalk: http://www.srainc.com/Jun/Manuals/Jun/OpenGLRotationModel/rotation_e.htm All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] RMS @ UTS on Friday @ 14:00
The ACS is hosting a talk by Richard Stallman at the UTS on Friday 15th October @ 14:00. That's this Friday at 2:00pm. Details registration here: https://www.acs.org.au/acs_events/index.cfm?attributes.fuseaction=eventdetailsevent_id=935branch=NSW All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting
From: Pia Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:39, Craige McWhirter wrote: put together a panel of who would be appropriate. It might be a good time to get together, look at all the requirements and put together a matrix of skills in NSW. We already have a few directories online: Sounds like OpenSkills - http://openskills.com/ - may as well use an existing infrastructure. I'm talking specifically about a matrix of skills as defined in the tender. IE - who does postfix, spamassasin, etc. An opportunity to figure out where we may be lacking, or have many options. And indeed the OpenSkills SkillsBase system can be used to answer precisely this kind of question: http://skillsbase.openskills.net/SearchResults?do=Searchs=178s=31 or http://skillsbase.openskills.net/SearchResults?do=Searchs=14s=25 So while the SkillsBase is a young system with only a few people using it so far, it is designed to do what you seem to be asking for. If you think it needs some additional features, just let us know. And if you'd like to know why it is worth becoming a member of OpenSkils, a recent thread of discussion on the topic resulted in Taryn writing the following: http://wiki.openskills.net/OpenSkills/Why+be+a+member%3F HTH. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting
__ From: Ben de Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: SLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:07:59 +1000 Do you think that being on the committee might give you a extra value from what is offered? With more members coming in is 100x times going to change to 10x? I can't think of a reason that being on the committee should be an advantage in getting engagements, and I don't think being on the committee should be an advantage. Right now, all the professional engagements are through the SkillsBase, the OpenSkills-dev list, or just word of mouth between members. It's all pretty transparent. OpenSkills is not the market, so demand for professional talent is not really changed by OpenSkills. We hope that OpenSkills is an efficient way for people to find skilled help and so will become one of the first places people will look, and thus we would expect that being a member will give you an edge in marketing your skills. I saw the cost is around $20 a year? so open skills has brought you 2000? the time spent doing what ever you need to do with openskills might out way the benefit of the 2000? If the cost is so low $20 how does open-skills market it self? Yes, membership of OpenSkills is $20 AUD / year. stuff about money was not asked of me, so I'll skip it OpenSkills currently markets itself by word of mouth. The major systems to help members make the most of their skills are coming on stream this year. For example, the membership management and effort tracking systems are due to be rolled out Christmas. Once all the major systems are in place, we'll be looking at some more explicit means of marketing ourselves. If you have any suggestions as to how we should do this, they would be most welcome. Does some one check that the people who list information list only true and correct information? Well, to be a member you need to have your OpenPGP key signed by at least two other members. This gives us something of a handle on who people really are, and makes it hard for a person to pretend to be many people. In the future, we will be adding in cross validation tools to the SkillsBase. The first would be a simple reference, where one member can be a reference for another and agree to be called or emailed - as with a regular reference you might get from an ex employer. Then we'd like to move on to commendations where one member can commend another for a particular skill. ... but we want to be careful and avoid game-able features (e.g. where two members jointly praise each other to the skies), so we'll move slowly. So in short, we try to create a transparent situation where it's hard to cheat. We hope to avoid needing a central screening function. HTH All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting
Further to Pia's announcement of the meeting about the NSW tender next week: The venue: ACS NSW offices Level 4, 122 Castlereagh Street Sydney NSW 2000 Ph. 02 9261 4411 Time: 14:00 - 15:30 Thursday 14th Oct 2004 -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NSW Tender meeting
Taryn wrote: Openskills you have to pay for... I find this a big turnoff and it's highly unlikely that I'd join. We know that some people feel this way, but OpenSkills does provide a number of hosted services, and these do need to be paid for. An alternative would be to look for advertising revenue or sponsors. Both of these options would mean that OpenSkills would be beholden to parties other than our members, and that may not be in the best interests of members. Being funded by members means that we can focus on doing the best for members. If there is a better financing model that leaves OpenSkills free to focus on it's goals, we'd love to hear about it. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Walking talking Gimp whizz
I thought a talk on the Gimp would be interesting for the ACS FOSS SIG meeting one month (and perhaps for SLUG too?). Is anyone here a Gimp whizz willing to give a 40 minute intro to the Gimp? Or, do you know such a person? Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] RMS bed situation
Many thanks to all those who offered bed facilities for RMS. He now has accommodation all sorted out for his stay in Sydney during October, thanks to the power of the SLUG community :-) All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Richard Stallman - bed
Richard Stallman will be visiting Sydney for a week or three at the beginning of October this year. The initiating event is the Builder conference: http://www.builderconference.com.au/ I have been trying to line up a speaking engagements for him with the ACS while he is here (possibly taking him around the country), but this is taking some time to work out. Anyway, during the exchanges, RMS asked me if: o There were any venues where he could speak while in Sydney. He had in mind Universities. Does anyone on the list have any thoughts or suggestions about possible venues for an RMS talk? o Would anyone have a spare bed for the duration of his stay? It seems that RMS prefers to avoid hotels. If you have any ideas on either of these, please let me know. Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The Sound of Silence
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 15:38, Shaun Oliver wrote: try looking at your /etc/esound/esd.conf I think that's the properpath, and comment it out entirely The trick is, as Jeff said, to specify that the sound server should not start in the GnomeDesktopPreferencesSound dialog. Commenting out every line in the /etc/esound/esd.conf seemed to have no effect :-/ if your sound card is a multi channel card you won't need esd. hth It seems that my card is not multi-channel, then, because if I try and play a .au file with aplay while xmms is playing something (say, Berlioz), aplay hangs until I stop xmms playing (I don't have to close xmms) and then aplay proceeds to play the .au file. Jeff suggested using esd for everything, but then I have to presumably explicitly configure everything (e.g. zine, ogle, xmms, aplay, mpg123 etc ...) to use esd. I'm kind of surprised that there is not some Debian-wide policy on this such that everything is configured to use a default setup that will just work (once the right modules are loaded). I'm up and listening to music now. Xine works too. I don't do these two things at the same time, so I'm happy enough for now :-) Many thanks for the help Jeff Shaun. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] The Sound of Silence
I can't get sound on my new XPC :-( I am using Debian Sarge with Kernel 2.6.7. I am trying to work with ALSA. Everything seems to check out fine. alsamixer does the right thing. The /proc/ files show me the information I expect to see, but when I try and play something I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1155:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy Which I guess means that snd_pcm_hw_open thinks that /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is being used by something else. ... but what? How can I find out what is already using my sound device? - or perhaps I'm just seeing a symptom of another problem? Guidance from the wise would be appreciated. Thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The Sound of Silence
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 13:19, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Bruce Badger I can't get sound on my new XPC :-( [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1155:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy Which I guess means that snd_pcm_hw_open thinks that /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is being used by something else. ... but what? How can I find out what is already using my sound device? Yeah, you got an nforce-based board in it? Stupid, stupid sound chipsets in these ones. Oddly enough, I got a shuttle recently too, and it's a big step back for sound hardware (from an sblive). Use fuser or lsof to find out what has the device open. Sure you haven't got a stray esd process going? :-) Why, I *do* have an esd process running! How did that get there? I see nothing in /etc/init.d. It's not a module. Yet there is is, bold as brass, sitting right under init. While loathe to just kill the thing, I did anyway. And lo! Sound! So, what is the humane way of exterminating a feral esd? But, you're right. It is crap sound. I get a kind of crackling noise in the background, and thisr really gets in the way of the old Berlioz. As it happens, I have a spare PCI slot in the XPC - should I just transplant my old SB Live, or even get a new card? And if a new card is the way to go, are there any recommendations for sound cards for XPCs running Debian sarge these days? And so we see that it is true that, given an inch, I'll take a mile :-/ Many thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Need to replace htdig for personal use.
Terry, One option might be for you to look at an IMAP server running on your local box, and have your mail tool point at that. I use Cyrus which works well for me. As it happens, I run Cyrus on a server in the UK, but running locally would just make it faster. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] UTS FIT Seminar 5th May 2004 Wednesday 2 pm 10.4.460
This posted to both the SLUG and ACS open source SIG lists ... I just heard about this, and thought people may be interested (curtesy of John Leany at UTS). Rather frustratingly, I'm not available on the 5th May - darn. All the best, Bruce -Forwarded Message- FACULTY OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH SEMINAR, UTS THREE UNEXPECTED RESULTS IN EMPIRICAL OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE ENGINEERING Date and time: 2pm, 5/5/2004 Location: 10.4.460 (Building 10, Floor 4, Room 460) Presenter: Associate Professor Stephen R. Schach, Vanderbilt University ABSTRACT: We present the results of three research projects in empirical open-source software engineering. First, we consider Linus's Law (Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow), named in honor of Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux operating system. We show that Linus's Law does not hold for Mozilla, Gnome, or Apache. On the contrary, between 70 and 90 percent of faults in the versions we examined were corrected by the members of the small core group (the inner circle of software developers), rather than by the eyeballs of the hundreds of thousands of worldwide users who have downloaded the software. Second, we give a new categorization of common coupling within the context of software product lines, and use it to show that Linux will become extremely hard to maintain in the future. Third, in 1978, Lientz, Swanson, and Tomkins (LST) published data that seemed to demonstrate that less than 20% of maintenance is performed in order to correct a defect. However, when we examined 60 versions of the Linux kernel and 15 versions of GCC, we found that over 50% of the maintenance was corrective in nature. We also query the validity of the original LST data. BIOGRAPHY: Stephen R. (Steve) Schach is an associate professor of computer science and computer engineering in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at Vanderbilt University. Steve is the author of some 115 refereed publications and 12 books. The Sixth Edition of his textbook Object-Oriented and Classical Software Engineering will be published in June 2004 by McGraw-Hill. His current research is in the area of empirical software engineering, with particular application to open-source software. SEMINAR LOCATION: The Faculty is located in Building 10 (the Fairfax Building) in Jones Street off Broadway. Maps are available at: http://www.uts.edu.au/about/mapsdirections/bway.html or http://www.uts.edu.au/about/mapsdirections/citymap.html PRESENTATION SLIDES: Presentation slides of past Faculty Research Seminars are available at: http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~laurel/Research/ResearchSeminarshtm.htm Dr Laurel Evelyn Dyson, CCNA CCAI Lecturer and Assessor Department of Information Systems Faculty of Information Technology University of Technology, Sydney PO Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007 Building 10, Floor 4, Room 324 Phone: 9514 4493 Webpage: www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~laurel/ UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] BSD Sockets
Is there a definitive source of information on BSD sockets? e.g. is there an RFC? Many thanks, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] nomation: robert collins
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 23:05, Robert Collins wrote: Looks like this year will be a little less insane for me. So, I'm nominating myself for either VP or ordinary committee member. Seconded for both. Good luck, Rob! -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Compiere
On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 14:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 15:14, Hal Ashburner wrote: Project of the month at Sourceforge. http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2004-02.php http://www.compiere.org/ You need Oracle, despite their use of db connection middleware. So ... got Oracle? I heard a complaint from somewhere that compiere have been working on database independence for a LONG time but do not seem to be getting closer to that goal. Compiere is writen mostly using Oracle plsql, stored procedures, trigrers and all that. I heard a port to PostgreSQL was underway, but have heard nothing about that effort for quite a while. Probably just too hard, esp. as Compiere is proving to be a very fast moving target. If you *do* have Oracle it may be worth a try. It seems to be an ERP/CRM solution that many SMBs are getting good use from. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ACS OpenSource SIG
The slides for the last ACSOSS meeting on open source and the law are now available here, together with slides from a couple of previous talks (Gus on EmbPerl and Rob on Squid): http://openskills.com/acsoss/ At the next meeting Rob Collins will be telling us about Arch Thursday 26th Feb @ 18:00 Lv 4, 122 Castlereagh Street SIG home page: http://www.acs.org.au/nsw/sigs/opensource/index.html Register for talk: http://www.acs.org.au/nsw/ All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] The ACS open source SIG
It has been suggested that I post information here about upcomming meetings of the ACS (yes, the Australian Computer Society) open source SIG. The SIG is open to all. The ACS NSW branch only ask that you sign a register of guests. We meet on the last Thursday of the month, which is typically the day before the SLUG meeting. The venue is the ACS NSW branch office at Lv 4, 122 Castlereagh Street. The building is directly opposite David Jones'. This month we have Rob Collins who will be talking about Arch. Rob asked me to stress that this will *not* be the same talk he did at SLUG - it's a new one. And for those of you who don't know (not many, I'm sure), arch is version control system, so those in search of a version control system, or a better version control system, will find this talk most interesting, I'm sure. So, Rob will be talking at our February meeting, which will be held on Thursday 26th February @ 18:00, at the NSW ACS HQ which is at Lv 4, 122 Castlereagh Street here in the CBD. The home page of the SIG (such as it is) is here: http://www.acs.org.au/nsw/sigs/opensource/index.html We use a Yahoo! group to coordinate the SIG, and you are most welcome to join that. There is a little form at the bottom of the SIG home page. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source in Iraq.
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 14:48, David Killen wrote: An interesting article I found about the possibilities of Open Source in Iraq http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7320mode=threadorder=0 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7320mode=threadorder=0 We're seeing some activity over there too. OpenSkills already has members in the middle-east (to my surprise), and we have someone looking for a JBoss whizz in Jordan (if you know of any potential candidates, please yell). We live in very exciting open source times, I think. -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Freedom and Alternatives
On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 23:32, Ken Foskey wrote: On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 22:35, Benno wrote: Umm, I have to disagree here. The BSD folk want a commons for *anyone* to leverage. The GPL folk want a commands for anyone except proprietary product developers to leverage.[1] OK let me flip this with a little story. I am a corporation, I am considering releasing my code to the FOSS community. After some advice I consider BSD to be the one true free license (my opinion shines through) and release. Company B my main competitor picks up the application and adds some refinements. Because they have a better product they start getting my clients and my openness has cost me money. The Ogg Vorbis people use both the GPL and BSD style licenses IIRC. They use BSD style license for the CODEC spec so that anyone can write an implementation of the CODEC. This is good for helpng the .ogg format to be widely adopted. They use GPL syle licenses for their code so that nobody can simply lift their implementation of the CODEC and quietlly embed in it a proprietary system. To me this is an excellent example of using the strengths of each license. BSD to encourage widespread usage, GPL to keep implementations free and open. -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Freedom and Alternatives
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 02:08, Robert Collins wrote: On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 09:28, Benno wrote: 2) To a user of the system, the OOP COM object is hidden - it's not directly visible or usable as a standalone entity. Yes true. I think you are saying that this goes to making it a derived work, or covered by the GPL? If so does that mean I can't use any GPLed CORBA components on a Linux system without also releasing under GPL? I don't know enough CORBA to answer that. It goes like this. IDL (Interface Definition Language) defines CORBA interfaces. IDL is compiled to generate code in a specific language. That code is in turn compled using a native compiler to create the local CORBA artifacts used interact with the CORBA objects. Note that an IDL compiler produces *source* code in another language, e.g. C, C++, Smalltalk. So, as a client wanting to use a GPLed CORBA server, I'd grab the IDL and compile it (in my case to Smalltalk classes). I would then write code to interact with the new classes generated by the IDL compiler. The generated classes would translate messages I send into IIOP packets sent to the appropriate places (e.g. processes offering CORBA services). I don't need to even see the code of the GPLed CORBA server to interact with it. I do need to *read* the IDL (well, the IDL compiler reads it) in order to generate native (e.g. Smalltalk) code. It seems to me then that the only issue might be how the IDL is licensed. So perhaps the way to use CORBA is to GPL your servers, and put the IDL under BSD? But perhaps even having the IDL under the GPL would be OK in this case as the IDL itself is only ever read, and never directly included in new software? HTH All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Freedom and Alternatives
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 11:23, Robert Collins wrote: Hmm. So lets follow this: IDL file (GPL licence) -- smalltalk source (derived work) -- 'linked' into your smalltalk program (making that a derived work when taken as a whole). GPL requires releasing as GP. IDL file (BSD licence) -- smalltalk source (derived work) -- 'linked' into your smalltalk program (making that a derived work when taken as a whole). BSD allows treating the derived work as proprietary. Sounds about right to me. Certainly if you change Smalltalk for C and assume static linking then the GPLed IDL would appear to suck the client app into being GPLed too. Of course beyond the licensing of the IDL there is also the question of the licensing of the IDL compiler and the ORB (the common part of the CORBA library needed by the client app) and the impact this has on things :-/ And, back to Smalltalk, there is a question in my mind about how the GPL concept of linking applies to late-binding languages like Smalltalk. In our CORBA example, the generated code (the derived work) would not be needed in the system until runtime, and then it could be loaded and used on-the-fly, and even unloaded again - all from the Smalltalk runtime environment. Also one could use a completely different implementation (but with a consistent interface) of the generated code without any modification or recompilation being required for the client code - and this could also be done at run-time. Flipping between the two implementations without having to restart the client app is also possible. So, what does linked, in the GPL sense, mean for dynamically typed late binding languages? All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 19:58, Ken Foskey wrote: Debian has three types of releases: Stable: Grandma runs this, very very stable. So stable nothing changes except security fixes. It is also very safe from crashing. Testing: Normal desktop use. People that want to have latest releases mostly without the pain. Breaks but reasonably rarely. Things that are stable on unstable for a reasonable period of time migrate to here on a fairly quick basis. I have found that testing is the worst of both worlds (i.e. of stable unstable). It does not have the latest things, and it's not very stable. Some things are missing altogether - e.g. there is no testing version of GNUCash. Some things have large chunks missing (e.g. Gnome). Testing is, I think, for testing out the candidate stable releases. It's no place to live, except perhaps just before it is about to become stable anyway. Unstable: Stress monkeys live here. They HAVE to have the latest release, they want to be active in the debugging process. If they are smart they find out about apt-listbugs and are more selective about what they install. I would say that the split is: o Stable by default for people who want a reliable platform to work on without having to worry too much about the platform itself. o Unstable for those with a taste for the newest or coolest and those who like to be involved with development/packinging/deployment issues of the platform. o Testing for those who have an interest in specific packages and want to use them and test them in a less volatile environment than unstable. I find testing is the most challenging environment of the three. All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Jabber
Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a business context? I'm looking for some help doing this (for $). Please drop me a line if you can help. Thanks. Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Databases, some advice please.
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 15:00, Bill Bennett wrote: I'd like to teach myself something on databases. The table of Window equivalents lists:--- 1) KNoda 2) Gnome DB Manager 3) OpenOffice + MySQL 4) InterBase7 (Prop) 5) InterBase6 (Presumably no longer Prop) 6) Berkley DB 7) Rekall (Prop) 8) StarOffice Adabase Has anyone any experience of any of these that they'd like to air? As I have only (very, ancient) limited experience of Access, I think thorough documentation would be a high priority. Any help, comments etc. Well, there's pgaccess for PostgreSQL which is great if you are using postgreSQL. What are you trying to achieve? All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Financial Membership
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:23, DaZZa wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Jan Schmidt wrote: Details on becoming a financial member are available here: http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html Dare I ask if any progress has been made on accepting membership remotely? I am unable to get to SLUG meetings - my work pattern is too varied to allow me the time - and while I'm perfectly willing to become a financial member again, there seems to be (still) no provision for anything other than paying by attending a meeting. OpenSkills is in the process of setting up to accept payments through PayMate. This is a low hassle, low outlay but high % per transaction charge service. It will add ~ a couple of dollars onto a SLUG membership. Payments are made by completing a form on the PayMates site pecifying o a target email account (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) o credit card details o amount to pay The form is here: https://www.paymate.com.au/PayMate/PaymateExpress Both parties get confirmation email, and the money (less fees) is put in the target bank account. I'd be happy to keep the SLUG committee up to date with our initial experience with PayMate. Also, I'd be *very* interested in hearing about any alternatives (except PayPal). All the best, Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:01, Richard Heycock wrote: You might want to have a look at the gnucash (http://www.gnucash.org). I'm not sure if it handles GST though. I maintain my company books using GnuCash at the moment and it handles GST nicely. It does not have GST/BAS specific functionality, but being a real double entry system make it a breeze to track all the numbers. Of course, YMMV. -- Bruce Badger OpenSkills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian Kernel
I have just upgraded my machine from stable to sarge (I specified sarge in my sources so I stick with it when it becomes stable). Apart from the fact that Gnome is broken, things have gone quite smoothly so far. I would like to use a more recent kernel. I looked at the kernel packages, and there are zillions of them! I suppose it's a good way of handling all the variety of targets for binary kernels, but it's a bit of a shock when compared to all the other packages. Anyway, I decided to go with kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686. I have a single CPU PIII, so this kernel seemed like a good fit for me. I did an apt-get -d install (-d to download only) and apt decided to download kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp too. I don't understand this. The smp kermal was not listed as a dependency for the non smp kernel. So, would some kind soul please tell me: o If the kernel I'm trying to install is a reasonable one to go for? o Why I got the bonus SMP kernel? o Will the bonus SMP kernel be installed too? o If apt-get install will Do The Right Thing to make the non-SMP kernel bootable? Many thanks, Bruce - Bruce Badger OpenSkills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian Kernel
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:17, Steve Kowalik wrote: At 3:41 pm, Tuesday, September 2 2003, Bruce Badger mumbled: So, would some kind soul please tell me: ... o Why I got the bonus SMP kernel? I'd need to see the output of apt-get to determine that. OK :-) wally:~# apt-get -d install kernel-image-2.4.21-4.686 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp The following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 22.3MB of archives. After unpacking 60.9MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 ftp://ftp.iinet.net sarge/main kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 2.4.21-4 [11.0MB]Get:2 ftp://ftp.iinet.net sarge/main kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 2.4.21-4 [11.3MB] Fetched 22.3MB in 14m11s (26.2kB/s) Download complete and in download only mode o Will the bonus SMP kernel be installed too? You said to apt-get to only download. Therefore, I'm to assume you're going to use dpkg -i to install it, in which case, no. Well, I plan to use apt-get install without the -d this time. Will that work OK? o If apt-get install will Do The Right Thing to make the non-SMP kernel bootable? Keep in mind if either or both kernels are installed, your machine will remain bootable. SMP or non-SMP it will still boot. An SMP kernel is not dependant on having more than one CPU. That doesn't answer your question, however. If you use lilo, yes, installing the .deb will do the Right Thing. Great, thanks. In trying to understand why I got the bonus SMP kernel (above) I used apt-get -d install to get kernel-image-2.4.20.3.686. This one came down *without* a bonus SMP package. Then, when running the apt-get install again (to really install it) I got this: You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.20-3-686) This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd. (An initrd image is a kernel image that expects to use an INITial Ram Disk to mount a minimal root file system into RAM and use that for booting). This reads like back off unless you know what you are doing!. But is it really saying do remember to update lilo.conf, old bean? Or is it saying something else altogether? Many thanks, Bruce signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Popular Distros in Australia.
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:51, Matthew Palmer wrote: I'm StudIEEE, StudIEAust, StudAPESMA, but not because of my interest in Linux. To become an ACS member, you have to hold appropriate technical qualifications - which I'll wager half of the people on SLUG don't have (not necessarily a bad thing...). In the circles I frequent, the ACS is seen as a bit of a joke - an MS shill, and not overly interested in true state of the art. I think IEEE's Computer Society isn't bad, but it isn't local. A tad harsh on the ACS, I think. In New South Wales the ACS have an open source SIG, and you don't need to be a member to come along to the SIG meetings (but members will get priority e.g. if there is not enough room at a meeting). The SIG home page is here: http://acs.org.au/nsw/sigs/opensource/index.html Also, the ACS can be a good place to network - i.e. find work. All the best, Bruce Badger http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] really slick screensavers..
Jeff, I'm preparing the Smalltalk talk you asked me to give this month. What time-slot do I need to fit within? Thanks, Bruce On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 12:08, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Dave Airlie For those of you with Nvidia or ATI cards with hardware TCL, there are some welll nifty screensavers packaged for RH8.0/9.0 on Hrm, if someone has this kind of hardware on a notebook, would they like to do a demo of it at SLUG this month? :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ Can we have a special TELSABUG category, and everything gets dropped to fix them first? - Telsa Gwynne -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: FW: [SLUG] ps2tiff
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 07:01, Michael Still wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Adam W wrote: fax. You open it in this kodak program(or really any image viewer), and it supports multiple pages within the one tif file. I have had pain with not all views supporting multipage TIFFs. What you describe is implemented in this way inside the file: FWIW, the ghfaxviewer (GNU HaliFAX Viewer) supports multi page TIFF files. The Debian package is ghfaxviewer. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] iinet DSL + Debian
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 10:51, Kevin Saenz wrote: I am with iinet, Do not use roaring penguin It will not work. I'm with iiNet, and I use the Roaring Penguin pppoe software which works fine for me. I mostly use tkpppoe to start the connection because I get a nice graph of the inbound and outbound traffic. I have a D-Link DSL-300 modem connected to a RH7.3 box. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Visual traceroute ?
On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 20:52, Nick C wrote: Evening, Anyone got any ideas about a visual version of traceroute (tktraceroute, traceroute-nanog)? How about xtraceroute? It uses data from LOC records to show where hosts are on a 3D globe. Nice. It's a Debian package. I don't know about RPMs. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] October Open Source Expo
There has been some talk about having an open source expo of some kind in Sydney in the October time-frame. There are a few people quite keen on this, and it has been suggested that interested people have a get together to talk about objectives, structure etc. The ideas so far are to have a broad based event which is open to anyone, and will be held at a location where people can just drop in and see some cool things. Broad based means companies can have a presence too. So, anyone who is interested should come along to the Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel on Thursday 3rd April 2003 from 18:00 to 21:00. If you have any questions or, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] VMware on Redhat 8.0
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:39, Howard Lowndes wrote: If anyone is running VMware 3.2 on Redhat 8.0 without getting a closing error message, could they contact me OL pse. I'm not sure what OL pse means (sorry), so I'll post here. The current version of VMWare is not supported in RH8, though there are some work-around options you can find using Google. The beta version of VMWare 4 *does* run on RH8 (I'm using it myself), but it's just a beta, of course. (BB hopes he doesn't get flamed for mentioning VMware 4 when the Howard *specifically* asked about VMWare 3.2 :-/ ) I got stuck with this too. I wanted RH8 for a particular reason, and then found VMWare would not fly. Ugh. You can get the VMWare 4 beta from here: http://www.vmware.com/download/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Searching the slug archives
Is there any way to search the slug archives. A search tool, that is, rather than just poking thought the archive? Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 21:12, Jon Biddell wrote: So why offer the discount at all for one distro ??? OK, you asked, this is how it came about: Early last year I was in Dymocks and the only Linux distros they had were old and very expensive, some over $300. This seemed crazy to me. I asked the guys in the shop if they would be interested in stocking a distribution at a much lower cost, e.g. $20. They said that it sounded good. I thought that an inexpensive distribution in a place like Dymocks would be good, and advertising SLUG and the Linux community in Sydney would be a constructive thing to do. How to get people along to SLUG, though? I suggested to SLUG that having a distro in Dymocks that offered, say, a $5 discount on membership would be a good way to get people along to SLUG. The $5 discount would be built into the price. OK, so now to fund the thing. My company, OpenSkills, agreed to fund the exercise if they could have their name on the sleeve and CD, and if it was run as a non-profit exercise. I chose Debian as the distro to go with. It seemed like a good idea at the time, perhaps because there seemed to be a good body of support for Debian within SLUG. As it happens, I was using RedHat and SuSE at the time, thought recently I have used Debian. Much of the basic art-work for the CD and sleeve came straight from the Debian web site. I had the art-work professionally put together with OpenSkills logo, SLUG logo, and sleeve text. After several reviews involving all parties it was signed off. I had a number of CD-R blanks and sleeves printed up, and then had a few (about 100) manufactured (burned, inserted in sleeves and sealed). The final costs were $5 to manufacture each CD, $5 for SLUG and $1 to cover the costs for OpenSkills. The idea was to get them on the shelves for about $15 each. It turns out that Dymocks sell them for about $22, and the Coop for about $15. So far, Dymocks and the Coop carry the CDs, and we are already getting into repeat orders. Only small numbers, though. So there you have it. The SLUG/Debian distribution is just the first CD of the Debian install packaged up with information on how to join SLUG. People who buy this can surrender the the top left corner of the sleeve for a $5 discount off membership. SLUG gets refunded from the non-profit funds managed by OpenSkills. I can assure you that there is no danger at all of a profit for OpenSkills out of this (and yes I did have to explain how non-profit became for-loss)! Both OpenSkills and I hope that the CD proves useful to those who use it, and to SLUG as a way of encouraging people to join. So, as I said before, if you would like to put together a similar distribution, but based on [name your favorite distro here] please do so. If you would like to talk about how to go about doing it, I'd be happy to have a chat with you about it. Send me an email, and we can exchange phone numbers. One thing I have to say, though: The last thing I ever expected to happen as a result of all the effort I put to this project was to be accused of being a Nazi. That really took my breath away. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 10:43, Louis Selvon wrote: Hi: As the subject says. The stores in my area don't have them. Does Dymocks sell version 8.0 or any urls that list vendors of Red Hat Products in Australia would do me. I am browsing the web but had no lukc yet. The main Dymocks shop on George St. in Sydney does sell Debian Woody, BTW. And this is the distro that gives you $5 off SLUG membership too! Particularly interesting as this the AGM is at the next SLUG meeting, and you need to be a member to vote. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 11:51, David wrote: On 2 Mar 2003, Bruce Badger wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 10:43, Louis Selvon wrote: Hi: As the subject says. The stores in my area don't have them. Does Dymocks sell version 8.0 or any urls that list vendors of Red Hat Products in Australia would do me. I am browsing the web but had no lukc yet. The main Dymocks shop on George St. in Sydney does sell Debian Woody, BTW. And this is the distro that gives you $5 off SLUG membership too! Particularly interesting as this the AGM is at the next SLUG meeting, and you need to be a member to vote. Long Live The Debian Police! Debian Nazis Forever! You cast this as if you were defending against a ferocious attack. I intended no such attack, and am rather shocked to have such crude language directed against me. David, I apoligise if I have caused you offense by mentioning the SLUG Debian distribtion. D'uh... didn't he ask about RedHat? He did. I just thought he may be interested, that's all. David (Debian User, btw) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 17:59, Jon Biddell wrote: = The main Dymocks shop on George St. in Sydney does sell Debian = Woody, BTW. And this is the distro that gives you $5 off SLUG = membership too! Particularly interesting as this the AGM =is at the = next SLUG meeting, and you need to be a member to vote. = = = Long Live The Debian Police! Debian Nazis Forever! Hell, if buying Debian gets you a $5 discount, buying ANY distro should get you the same I think you're right! Why don't you put together such a distro? I'm sure that Dymocks and the Coop would be interested in another community sponsored option, and I doubt that SLUG would mind at all (note that I'm not speaking for SLUG, though). Feel free to get in touch if you want to discuss what you'll have to do to make this work. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] iiNet - not Mozilla friendly
It seems that iiNet (http://iinet.net.au) have improved their account
management tools such that they will no longer work with Mozilla.
Is it just me, or have they really just taken this step backward?
Also - I'm having a shocking time with my DSL connection at the moment.
The link light goes out for an hour or so once or twice a day. Is this
just Telstra once again demonstrating their brilliance, or is it
possible iiNet are screwing up this too?
Bruce {fondly remembering the *T1* connection I had at home for $49/
month when I lived in the 'states}
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Re: [SLUG] iiNet - not Mozilla friendly
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 14:15, David Kempe wrote: Hi Bruce, we had a customer with the same problem. do you have a dlink dsl-300? I do. If it is a modem problem, what can be done? Thanks, Bruce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] iiNet - not Mozilla friendly
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 14:34, David Kempe wrote: Have you still got the serial cable that came with the modem? If so you need to plug it into a spare serial port, bark up your favourite comms program (like minicom) and connect at 9600,8,N,1 Great, thanks! I can talk to the modem now. You can then do a itex mode auto at the prompt and then config save at the prompt and it should change the way it detects the line sync. Where can I read up on the commands? If I type help when connected to the modem it lists the commands (including itex), but does not explain what they do :-/ I've looked in the manual - even downloaded the latest from d-link, but I've found no clear description. This may of course have nothing to do with it, as you could just have line noise from the rain we have been having (or something else completly). Well, things have been flaky all this year. I had no problems at all in 2002, but so far 2003 has not been good for the link light on my modem :-( Many thanks, Bruce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] PII 400 no-fan heatsink?
I have a couple of PII 400 machines which are very noisy. As part of the campaign to make them quieter, I was wondering if there were any no-fan heatsinks around that could prevent the PII 400s from melting down. Google reveals that world+dog would like to sell me a heatsink *with* fan - but I see no heatsinks without a fan. Is there such a thing? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Getting to my app
I'm running Debian Woody, and am trying to access an application which is listening on a TCP/IP socket. The app is just a small http server, and I'm using a web browser to access it. I know the app is listening on the expected port, because if I connect using a browser on the same machine that the server is running on, everything works fine. If I try to get to the same app from a different machine, though, I get the connection was refused. If I run tcpdump on the server I see that using the browser on the local machine to access the service generates 11 packets over the expected port (via lo). The remote access generates only two packets (via eth0), one coming in with the the request, and the other (i guess) saying the connection was refused. If I ask iptables what filtering is active, is tells me that everything is accepted. I've checked the nat filter and mangle tables. Clearly I'm missing something dead simple here. I have read the HOWTO for iptables and for IP in general, but I'm just not seeing the solution. Any hints, tips (or complete answers :-)) would be most appreciated. Thanks. BTW, here is the output from the tcpdump showing the bouncing request. Here is the tcpdump of the wally:~# tcpdump port 10045 tcpdump: listening on eth0 18:31:17.162927 alice.set.badgerse.com.53433 wally.set.badgerse.com.10045: S 1628653908:1628653908(0) win 5840 mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 181054829 0,nop,wscale 0 (DF) 18:31:17.163010 wally.set.badgerse.com.10045 alice.set.badgerse.com.53433: R 0:0(0) ack 1628653909 win 0 (DF) 2 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Getting to my app
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 20:35, Christopher Samuel wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 7:37 pm, Bruce Badger wrote: Any hints, tips (or complete answers :-)) would be most appreciated. What does: netstat -ntlp say for port 10045 ? I just knew this would be embarrassing! netstat reveals that Adam W was correct - I was listening on 127.0.0.1 only Here's the output: tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:10045 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 9428/visual How dumb can you get. :-( BTW, the server is one of a number of HTTP servers implemented in Smalltalk. Thanks for the help. Sorry to have troubled you :-/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
I'm running RH8.0 on an IBM Thinkpad T21. I can suspend the machine with X running, and everything is fine when I resume ... except for the keyboard autorepeat which no longer works, and the mouse becomes prone to take a single click as a double click. Simply exiting X and restarting it makes the problems go away. If I switch to another TTY, autorepeat is working fine - back in X land, it's still not working. Has anyone else experienced this? Does anyone know if/how it can be fixed? Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
Peter, many thanks for the suggestions. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 23:00, Peter Hardy wrote: Couple of things you can try: When you resume, run xset r to try turning autorepeat back on. The xset manpage will probably also tell you how to change the doubleclick timeout. I can't get this to work :-( If I start X, open an xterm I see that xset r off and xset r on do indeed start and stop autorepeat for all X apps. (nice - I've learned something there). However, if I suspend the machine at this point, and then resume it, I find that autorepeat is off, and xset r on will not restart it :-( If that doesn't work, try changing to a virtual console before suspending. I'm afraid that even this didn't work :-( Thanks again, though -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 14:56, Myles Byrne wrote: I can suspend the machine with X running, and everything is fine when I resume ... except for the keyboard autorepeat which no longer works, and the mouse becomes prone to take a single click as a double click. I have exactly the same problem with a thinkpad 600E Great - I'm not alone! I tried to Google for a solution, but could not find anything. Ben de Luca suggested that fiddling with the Repeat Keys options in the Keyboard Preferences dialog fixed a similar problem for him in the past. It didn't work for me though. Have you tried that? I'm wondering at what level this is a problem. e.g. IBM hardware, Video card driver, X, Metacity, Gnome ... It's a nuisance, that's for sure. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Palm Zire vs Psion Revo
I have a Revo and it's a great machine. My wife has one too. She is more gentle than I am, and her Revo has lasted 3 years now without problem. Mine had a battery recharge problem, but I had it fixed, though while it was being fixed I got withdrawl symptoms and bought a Revo Plus, so now I have a spare Revo (which I'll hang onto). I have not got synching working with my Linux boxes, mainly because I'm lazy. Has anyone on the list got a Revo to synch with a Linux app? Anyway, it is true that Psion have stopped design work on new models, but AFAIK they are still making, shipping and supporting the Revo [+]. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 11:59, Adam Hewitt wrote: The Revo is definitely on their website, and is still being sold throughout australia. They have, however, brought out the Revo Plus which is the advanced model... On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:54, Andrewd wrote: I don't think they actually make the Revo anymore, go to there website and check - I think it may be old stock only. Also my Revo broke after 4 months, but then I was fairly rough with it. Does anyone have any recommendations, good and bad points, linux compatibility (obviously the Zire is compatible from Graemes' recent post)... I was going to buy a Zire today, but my dealer has offered me the Revo for the same price... Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Pia Linux Australia makes the news ...
Linux Australia votes in first female president ... http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/os/story/0,224997,20271565,00.htm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [OT] recoverying NT4 disk
You could talk to Piamen Pazov who is a SLUG regular. His comany is Xyber, and they specialize in data recovery. His number is 9906 7967. Good luck, Bruce Richard Hayes wrote: Dear list, Sorry about the subject. A small SCSI drive has gone walkabout and I need to recover the data. 1. Is there a Linux based tool to rebuild the MBR / directories? 2. Can anyone recommend a company to recover the data? Any suggestions / recommendations? regards, Richard Hayes 0414 618 425 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Live! ALSA under Woody
Andrew Lau wrote: ...and the answer seemed to be ALSA ... Dear Bruce, ALSA in Debian is undergoing a major overhaul right now. /me points at StevenK and ducks. So the installation for it isn't as smooth as we'd like right now. Follow the below HOWTO and it should work fine. http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=541page=1 Andrew, Many thanks for the link. I didn't get very far, I'm afraid :-( I do have kernel 2.4.29-686 installed, which is a perfect fit with the instructions - I was optimistic. However ... wally:~# apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.18-686 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.18-686 Perhaps I need to modify my sources.list? Currently, my sources.list is: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb ftp://ftp.iinet.com.au/linux/debian/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main Thanks, Bruce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Live! ALSA under Woody
I asked a while ago what sound system people recommended for Woody, and answer seemed to be ALSA. Well, I've not been able to get it going - this after spending much time reading FAQs and being on the Creative IRC channel. :-( Does anyone have ALSA working under Woody with a emu10k1 card (SB Live!)? If not, is everyone using OSS? ... or is it just me -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Case Study Speaker
Robert Collins wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 18:06, Bruce Badger wrote: Does anyone know of an open source system deployment within Australia, that would be a potential source of a speaker? The ideal would be finding someone who was on a project from evaluation through to deployment who could tell the tale. It would be even better if it were a happy tale. Any ideas? Depends on what 'system' you are looking for a speaker on. I could certainly put toghether a presentation on squid-in-a-commercial-setting. A probably a few different things (ie samba, mail-servers, IDS, mysql, ...) , if I put my mind to it. Could you be a little more specific on what you are trying to achieve with the presentation? (i.e. 'show my peers that it is possible for a business to take a thought out, risk-managing approach to a project, and still end up with an open-source tool/environment/package as part of the projects solution'). The ideal would be a speaker from some rather conservative type company (e.g. bank, insurance company). An employee who was there while a project happened, but who could not be accused of being an evangelist, or a vendor with a vested interest. It would be good, though, if the speaker knows how to give an interesting presentation :-) Stories like: How we replaced all our web-edge system with OSS What benefits we saw in moving to a standards + OSS based mail solution would be good. Does this help, Rob? Thanks, Bruce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SMS
Richard Rooke wrote: hi is it possible to send sms messages to a phone off my home pc without having to connect to the internet? I have an internal modem but no phone line pls reply because ive heard it is possible but i dont know how/where to get it from cheers Well, there is equipment that will let your PC appear as a phone on the mobile phone network. They are like modems in many ways (I don't know if they modulate/demodulate over analog or just transmit digitally), but they are not cheap, and you'd still need an account with a phone company and a SIM. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Case Study Speaker
Does anyone know of an open source system deployment within Australia, that would be a potential source of a speaker? The ideal would be finding someone who was on a project from evaluation through to deployment who could tell the tale. It would be even better if it were a happy tale. Any ideas? Please feel free to email me directly with contact information if you wish. Many thanks, Bruce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
