Re: [SLUG] AMD based computers.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:54:08AM +1100, Visser, Martin wrote: > Having two near equal sized competitors in the CPU market ensures > that progress is aggressively pursued. If by size you mean performance, maybe, but IIRC Intel still produces something close to 80% of the x86 market. -i -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] AMD based computers.
As has been said, there is no general case that says either way whether Intel or AMD CPUs are better. Certainly for most of last year the AMD based HP servers were much better bang-for-buck having their dual core Opteron. For those interested HP Proliant server model numbers ending in the digit 5 (eg DL585, BL485) are AMD based, those ending in 0 are Intel based). I have a feeling of late that it has swung back towards Intel's favour. Of course there will always be general benchmarks that will have a skew towards one or the other - you really need to specify your exact requirements and an exact point in time before you can judge. Having two near equal sized competitors in the CPU market ensures that progress is aggressively pursued. Martin Visser Technology Consultant Consulting & Integration Technology Solutions Group - HP Services 410 Concord Road Rhodes NSW 2138 Australia Mobile: +61-411-254-513 Fax: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail: martin.visserAThp.com This email (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify HP immediately by return email and then delete the email, destroy any printed copy and do not disclose or use the information in it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 8:23 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] AMD based computers. > For servers, it comes down to price/performance/power. I haven't been > watching very closely in recent times, but it seems Intel are making a > strong comeback on that front. Anyone have links to (clueful) > comparisons that take all three into account? For the general case, I haven't seen any. For specific examples of machine vs machine you would probably want to look at Toms Hardware guide, etc. If you're looking at higher end / 64 bit server stuff, the word from the various vendors seems to be that although Intel have made a strong comeback in terms of price/performance it does come at the cost of heat dissipation issues and the recent server offerings have pretty much reflected that. e.g. HP are pushing their quad CPU AMD-64 offerings in a 4RU form factor fairly heavily, but you won't find a quad CPU intel 64 bit in anything less than 7 or 8 RU as the intel chips need a fair bit more heat dissipation. How does that relate to home PCs? If you're looking at 64 bit then you can expect your average Intel machine to be hotter and noisier than your average AMD machine in the same price/performance range. -- Del Babel Com Australia http://www.babel.com.au/ ph: 02 9368 0728 fax: 02 9368 0758 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD based computers.
On 12/03/07, Del <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How does that relate to home PCs? If you're looking at 64 bit then you can expect your average Intel machine to be hotter and noisier than your average AMD machine in the same price/performance range. Is this correct with the new Core Duo II stuff? I though that one of the main advantages of the new Core Duo II was better power management, i.e. lower power sonsumption. Or am I mixing things up? --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD based computers.
For servers, it comes down to price/performance/power. I haven't been watching very closely in recent times, but it seems Intel are making a strong comeback on that front. Anyone have links to (clueful) comparisons that take all three into account? For the general case, I haven't seen any. For specific examples of machine vs machine you would probably want to look at Toms Hardware guide, etc. If you're looking at higher end / 64 bit server stuff, the word from the various vendors seems to be that although Intel have made a strong comeback in terms of price/performance it does come at the cost of heat dissipation issues and the recent server offerings have pretty much reflected that. e.g. HP are pushing their quad CPU AMD-64 offerings in a 4RU form factor fairly heavily, but you won't find a quad CPU intel 64 bit in anything less than 7 or 8 RU as the intel chips need a fair bit more heat dissipation. How does that relate to home PCs? If you're looking at 64 bit then you can expect your average Intel machine to be hotter and noisier than your average AMD machine in the same price/performance range. -- Del Babel Com Australia http://www.babel.com.au/ ph: 02 9368 0728 fax: 02 9368 0758 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AMD based computers.
> I was searching the web for computer kits when I came across > www.altech.com.au who were selling Druid computer kits, described as AMD > based. > > So I asked an IT friend, who said that the Linux core was built around the > AMD chip and that I should consider it. Sounds like Chinese whispers... AMD CPUs are, for pretty much all intents and purposes, compatible with Intel CPUs. They're both "x86", which Linux supports very well, and there's no huge advantage to either CPU when it comes to Linux. The choice comes down to price and the hardware ecosystem around -> different motherboards and chipsets are the most important here. > Has anyone any comment on this? I seem to recall someone advising someone > else in the columns to stick wholly with Intel. I've mentioned that a couple of times on the SLUG list, mostly regarding laptops (due to the integrated graphics chipsets, where Intel is far and away the best choice for Linux users at the moment). I'd probably do the same for desktops, but it's less of an issue (you can replace the graphics card, and few desktop users really appreciate good power management yet). For servers, it comes down to price/performance/power. I haven't been watching very closely in recent times, but it seems Intel are making a strong comeback on that front. Anyone have links to (clueful) comparisons that take all three into account? - Jeff -- Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/ Wars end, love lasts. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] AMD based computers.
I was searching the web for computer kits when I came across www.altech.com.au who were selling Druid computer kits, described as AMD based. So I asked an IT friend, who said that the Linux core was built around the AMD chip and that I should consider it. Has anyone any comment on this? I seem to recall someone advising someone else in the columns to stick wholly with Intel. Regards, Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
