Re: [SLUG] Article, Linux, APC.
David Lyon said: The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. Clearly, they both are Linux derivates. ... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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But they do - employers do pay you to use MS, otherwise their IT manager might have to shoulder some responsibility. Kevin On 24/06/2011 6:24 AM, David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com wrote: and late model Ubuntu releases run very nicely on 8 core machines... somebody would have to pay me to accept windows over ubuntu.. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Jeremy Visser jer...@visser.name wrote: David Lyon said: The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. Clearly, they both are Linux derivates. ... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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I'm employed as an IT Manager. Heterogeneous environments with Linux and Windows are perfectly acceptable these days. With Android pads coming onto the market, it's reason to have even less Windows machines. Modern Linux is perfectly robust and it all works like a charm so I don't mind taking on the responsibility for that. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Kevin Shackleton krshackle...@gmail.comwrote: But they do - employers do pay you to use MS, otherwise their IT manager might have to shoulder some responsibility. Kevin On 24/06/2011 6:24 AM, David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com wrote: and late model Ubuntu releases run very nicely on 8 core machines... somebody would have to pay me to accept windows over ubuntu.. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Jeremy Visser jer...@visser.name wrote: David Lyon said: The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. Clearly, they both are Linux derivates. ... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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It's not so much that Linux is dead, but rather it is perhaps finished. The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. Clearly, they both are Linux derivates. So in a way, commercial Linux won out. There's little that really can be done on an activism front. Because that is just appstore or whatever they call it. So in a way, Linux is 'finished'. But finished in so far as it is now complete, useable and stable. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:12 PM, wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au wrote: Has anyone read/have an opinion of the article Is Linux finished that appears in the APC magazine of July 2011? I haven't read it. A friend alerted me; being the suspicious sod that I am, my first reaction would be to check the provenance of the material and the qualifications of the writer. If it's anyone called Gates, my second reaction would be to move briskly to the bird cage, which is in need of fresh lining. Regards, William Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011, David Lyon wrote: It's not so much that Linux is dead, but rather it is perhaps finished. The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. .. Apple - linux derivative? Adrian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Of course. gnu tool chain, has a command shell... if it has a shell where you can enter linux commands.. it's a linux derivative.. just a very beautiful one.. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Adrian Chadd adr...@creative.net.auwrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011, David Lyon wrote: It's not so much that Linux is dead, but rather it is perhaps finished. The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. .. Apple - linux derivative? Adrian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011, David Lyon wrote: Of course. gnu tool chain, has a command shell... if it has a shell where you can enter linux commands.. it's a linux derivative.. just a very beautiful one.. .. except that it's got a gnu toolchain, but uses chunks of the BSD userland and network stack. There's likely no Linux code in the kernel; or they'd have to release the source. Adrian (I should finish my coffee before posting on the internet.) -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $24/pm+GST entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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David == David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com writes: David Of course. gnu tool chain, has a command shell... David if it has a shell where you can enter linux commands.. it's a David linux derivative.. Other way around. Apple and Linux are both derivatives of Unix(TM). Apple via the BSD, Linux via GNU/FSF reimplementations. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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So clearly, the main market forces are: Android (Linux), Apple (BSD), Microsoft (Windows).. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: David == David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com writes: David Of course. gnu tool chain, has a command shell... David if it has a shell where you can enter linux commands.. it's a David linux derivative.. Other way around. Apple and Linux are both derivatives of Unix(TM). Apple via the BSD, Linux via GNU/FSF reimplementations. Peter C Hmm I remember R.Stallman getting very annoyed that it was called Linux rather than GNU/Linux If I understand correctly, Apple has lots of GNU but no Linux. In either case, Windows still has an effective monopoly on the desktop, if you use the perfectly reasonable definition: 90% market share = monopoly. If Linux is finished in either sense of the word, it's a sad day. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM, david da...@kenpro.com.au wrote: pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: David == David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com writes: David Of course. gnu tool chain, has a command shell... David if it has a shell where you can enter linux commands.. it's a David linux derivative.. Other way around. Apple and Linux are both derivatives of Unix(TM). Apple via the BSD, Linux via GNU/FSF reimplementations. Peter C Hmm I remember R.Stallman getting very annoyed that it was called Linux rather than GNU/Linux If I understand correctly, Apple has lots of GNU but no Linux. In either case, Windows still has an effective monopoly on the desktop, if you use the perfectly reasonable definition: 90% market share = monopoly. If Linux is finished in either sense of the word, it's a sad day. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html I recently saw a study showing that a standard linux install has comparatively little GNU in it, if you count only FSF stuff. Other people using GPL for their code doesn't make it GNU. Without Linux, GNU would still just be something you add to your Sun box. -- Christopher Vance -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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David Lyon wrote: It's not so much that Linux is dead, but rather it is perhaps finished. The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. Clearly, they both are Linux derivates. So in a way, commercial Linux won out. There's little that really can be done on an activism front. Because that is just appstore or whatever they call it. The activisim actually needs to be stepped up. The linux people like myself who fled windows in the mid 1990s did so for reasons of Freedom. Apple and its Apple appstore is an even more constrained and shackled garden than windows ever was. I'm using Linux instead of Apple because: a) I don't like the fact that hardware that runs Apple's OS is only available from one manufacturer. This sitution is bad for consumers, because Apple can charge consumers however much they like. b) Apple's move to control everything that runs on their hardware is bad for software developers because Apple has control over what software is and is not presented to Apple's customers. That means the software developer has to toe Apples line or face being removed from the appstore. c) Apple's move to control everything that runs on their hardware is bad for a whole bunch of freedom related issues. Apple has in the recent past blocked gay and lesbian ebook literature from the appstore. Who the fsck made Apple the gate keepers to what can and cannot be read? Quite honestly anyone who runs Apple hardware and software should take a really good think about the logical conclusions to Apples rapidly increasing market share because there will come a time where removing Apple from the top rank will be far, far harder than the removal of Microsoft. Erik PS : Eben Moglen is well worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gORNmfpD0akfeature=share -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On 23/06/2011, at 9:01 AM, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: It's not so much that Linux is dead, but rather it is perhaps finished. The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. .. Apple - linux derivative? I did ask on this list, but was not able to get any helpful answers ... After many months of DOA, usb-stops-working, every-thing-fine-except-myth-tuner-card motherboards I bit the bullet and bought an imac 27. Ran OSX for a couple of days, then booted and installed SuSE11.4 and Ubuntu10.10. (boot CD, install normally) Both worked immediately. Both throttled CPU to 1600/2200/2700 and at 1600 both run HOT. OSX runs luke warm. Audio is ultra-grot, apple make it quite reasonable Standard OSX comes with groff, ps2pdf et al, vim (color (sic) syntax) Used fink to install gnome-terminal, gnuplot) So ... vim, groff, audacity, vlc, gnome-terminal, gnuplot, their-mail, firefox, xsane to a (vbox) vm all work well quicktime midi has better instrument quality than timidity Real Mouse (microsoft optical) works without a hitch Keyboard is good for hunt-n-peck, but not as nice for touch typing. One can adapt to the strangeness (funny keys, funny ^X ^C and ^V) I did not tame EFI, used OSX to make bios settings that were kept mythtv is reasonable, but not as smooth as an 8000 or 9000 series nvidia Both SuSE and 10.10 work fine but the fglx ATI drivers put 'Unsupported Hardware in a transparent message on the desktop I have not yet tamed itunes to do ogg (despite xiph), and have not yet been able to build amarok I've already benefited from apple's customer care, so 8/10 for the whole experience (vbox helps with the things I cannot live without) Hope somebody finds this dump helpfull James-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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That's right Eric, I'm with you. There are many other problems with Apple notably Banning of GPL and copyright assignments. I'm quite concerned about proliferation of proprietary software. No matter what software we can willingly choose, Australian public schools have to use Microsoft's software which our silly government bought for taxpayer's money. It is sad to realize that Venezuela is ahead of us in that regards. Regards, Dmitry. On 23 June 2011 12:22, Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com wrote: David Lyon wrote: It's not so much that Linux is dead, but rather it is perhaps finished. The computers 'to-die-for' now, are no longer the Windows machines but the Android and Apple computers. Clearly, they both are Linux derivates. So in a way, commercial Linux won out. There's little that really can be done on an activism front. Because that is just appstore or whatever they call it. The activisim actually needs to be stepped up. The linux people like myself who fled windows in the mid 1990s did so for reasons of Freedom. Apple and its Apple appstore is an even more constrained and shackled garden than windows ever was. I'm using Linux instead of Apple because: a) I don't like the fact that hardware that runs Apple's OS is only available from one manufacturer. This sitution is bad for consumers, because Apple can charge consumers however much they like. b) Apple's move to control everything that runs on their hardware is bad for software developers because Apple has control over what software is and is not presented to Apple's customers. That means the software developer has to toe Apples line or face being removed from the appstore. c) Apple's move to control everything that runs on their hardware is bad for a whole bunch of freedom related issues. Apple has in the recent past blocked gay and lesbian ebook literature from the appstore. Who the fsck made Apple the gate keepers to what can and cannot be read? Quite honestly anyone who runs Apple hardware and software should take a really good think about the logical conclusions to Apples rapidly increasing market share because there will come a time where removing Apple from the top rank will be far, far harder than the removal of Microsoft. Erik PS : Eben Moglen is well worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gORNmfpD0akfeature=share -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Article, Linux, APC.
Has anyone read/have an opinion of the article Is Linux finished that appears in the APC magazine of July 2011? I haven't read it. A friend alerted me; being the suspicious sod that I am, my first reaction would be to check the provenance of the material and the qualifications of the writer. If it's anyone called Gates, my second reaction would be to move briskly to the bird cage, which is in need of fresh lining. Regards, William Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
