Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Rev Simon Rumble]

This one time, at band camp, Martin Barry wrote:

> I've never understood the ${ubuntu_release}-updates thing.
> 
> A separate repositry for security I understand due to the need to bypass
> mirror lag.
> 
> But anything worthy of going into ${ubuntu_release}-updates is surely worth
> putting straight into ${ubuntu_release} ? Or is it just me?

Yeah I don't get it either.  And the fact it's not enabled by default is 
even more bizarre.

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Martin Barry]

$quoted_author = "Jeff Waugh" ;
> 
> Definitely. gutsy-backports is batshit insane, but gutsy-updates receives
> important (but non-security related) bug fixes such as this.

I've never understood the ${ubuntu_release}-updates thing.

A separate repositry for security I understand due to the need to bypass
mirror lag.

But anything worthy of going into ${ubuntu_release}-updates is surely worth
putting straight into ${ubuntu_release} ? Or is it just me?

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Robert Collins]

On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 20:21 +1100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote:
> 
> > Long and short of it some devices will change incorrectly todat (eg my
> > mobile phone), others are correct. Thank $deity I haven't got a large
> > server/blackberry/phone infrastructure to manage at the moment.
> 
> My Ubuntu desktop doesn't seem to have done it right.  Now how to fix 
> it?  There's no new tzdata package available...

There is a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/209429

'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' and select sydney again, will fix it.

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Jeff Waugh]

> Guess that is what UNIX admins do.

Hooray for banging rocks together!

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Jeff Waugh]

> What is gutsy-updates then, and should I have that in my sources.list?

Definitely. gutsy-backports is batshit insane, but gutsy-updates receives
important (but non-security related) bug fixes such as this.

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Rev Simon Rumble]

This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> Make sure your /etc/timezone is actually set to Australia/Sydney. One of my
> machines did the wrong thing because it was set to 'User defined' -- perhaps
> the result of an errant upgrade? I've certainly not set it myself. Anyway,
> that might be the problem... sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

Nope, definitely:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/timezone 
Australia/Sydney

tzdata is at:
Version: 2007f-3ubuntu1

But there does seem to be a more recent one in gutsy-updates:
2008a-0ubuntu0.7.10: all

Installing that seems to have worked.

What is gutsy-updates then, and should I have that in my sources.list?

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[grove]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Simon Males wrote:


Make sure your /etc/timezone is actually set to Australia/Sydney. One of my
machines did the wrong thing because it was set to 'User defined' -- 
perhaps

the result of an errant upgrade? I've certainly not set it myself. Anyway,
that might be the problem... sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata


Same happened to me this morning on my Debian Lenny desktop. On boot I sync 
with time.optusnet.com.au, which brought me back an hour. Then I used GNOME's 
gui magic time zone selecter to actually set Australia/Sydney.


Whatever happened to doing:
ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/

Getting the latest tzdata file and running zic/zdump on it?!

Guess that is what UNIX admins do.

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Simon Males]

Make sure your /etc/timezone is actually set to Australia/Sydney. One of my
machines did the wrong thing because it was set to 'User defined' -- perhaps
the result of an errant upgrade? I've certainly not set it myself. Anyway,
that might be the problem... sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata


Same happened to me this morning on my Debian Lenny desktop. On boot I 
sync with time.optusnet.com.au, which brought me back an hour. Then I 
used GNOME's gui magic time zone selecter to actually set Australia/Sydney.


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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Jeff Waugh]

> This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote:
> 
> > Long and short of it some devices will change incorrectly todat (eg my
> > mobile phone), others are correct. Thank $deity I haven't got a large
> > server/blackberry/phone infrastructure to manage at the moment.
> 
> My Ubuntu desktop doesn't seem to have done it right.  Now how to fix it?
> There's no new tzdata package available...

Make sure your /etc/timezone is actually set to Australia/Sydney. One of my
machines did the wrong thing because it was set to 'User defined' -- perhaps
the result of an errant upgrade? I've certainly not set it myself. Anyway,
that might be the problem... sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Rev Simon Rumble]

This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote:

> Long and short of it some devices will change incorrectly todat (eg my
> mobile phone), others are correct. Thank $deity I haven't got a large
> server/blackberry/phone infrastructure to manage at the moment.

My Ubuntu desktop doesn't seem to have done it right.  Now how to fix 
it?  There's no new tzdata package available...

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Sonia Hamilton]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:07:30 +1100, "James Purser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> 
> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 11:01 +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > for some reason my time is still daylight savings time ?  hasn't change
> > for DST last night. any one else having this problem ?
> > 
> > Alex
> 
> That's actually correct, we are still in daylight savings time. The
> Government shifted the end of daylight savings to April 6 so that NSW,
> VIC and TAS all run on the same time.

Long and short of it some devices will change incorrectly todat (eg my
mobile phone), others are correct. Thank $deity I haven't got a large
server/blackberry/phone infrastructure to manage at the moment.

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[DaZZa]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Jamie Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, DaZZa wrote:
>  >I've got a SuSE 9.3 box that I can;t get an update to the zone file for.
>  >Not that it matters for this particular box, but 9.3 'aint that old.
>
>  You could grab the tzdata from the source at ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/
>  and overwrite your /usr/share/zoneinfo directory, or rebuild the suse RPM
>  with this new source, or merely copy the zoneinfo file from a newer machine
>  to your suse box.

I could, but it's not worth the effort. The box in question is
scheduled for rebuilding to 10.3 shortly (along with some new
hardware), and the functions it's currently running aren't going to
break in the week between now and the real end of DST.

DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, DaZZa wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Kevin Shackleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 11:26 +1100, DaZZa wrote:
>>  > You should patch it. There *is* an update for Microsoft products -
>>  > provided, of course, you're not running anything later than XP.
>>  > WIndows 2000 or earlier - forget it!
>>  >
>>  To be fair, there can't be many people running a version of Linux as old
>>  as Windows 2k.  Though I don't think the DST methodology has changed in
>>  the 'nix environment in that time.
>
>I've got a SuSE 9.3 box that I can;t get an update to the zone file for.
>
>Not that it matters for this particular box, but 9.3 'aint that old.

You could grab the tzdata from the source at ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/
and overwrite your /usr/share/zoneinfo directory, or rebuild the suse RPM
with this new source, or merely copy the zoneinfo file from a newer machine
to your suse box.
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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[DaZZa]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Kevin Shackleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 11:26 +1100, DaZZa wrote:
>  > You should patch it. There *is* an update for Microsoft products -
>  > provided, of course, you're not running anything later than XP.
>  > WIndows 2000 or earlier - forget it!
>  >
>  To be fair, there can't be many people running a version of Linux as old
>  as Windows 2k.  Though I don't think the DST methodology has changed in
>  the 'nix environment in that time.

I've got a SuSE 9.3 box that I can;t get an update to the zone file for.

Not that it matters for this particular box, but 9.3 'aint that old.

DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Kevin Shackleton]

On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 11:26 +1100, DaZZa wrote:

> You should patch it. There *is* an update for Microsoft products -
> provided, of course, you're not running anything later than XP.
> WIndows 2000 or earlier - forget it!
> 
To be fair, there can't be many people running a version of Linux as old
as Windows 2k.  Though I don't think the DST methodology has changed in
the 'nix environment in that time.

Kevin

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[DaZZa]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:09:45AM +1100, DaZZa wrote:
>  > That'll be because we're still in Daylight Savings Time - until NEXT 
> Sunday.
>  > NSW law changed last year to bring the NSW Daylight Savings periods in
>  > line with other states like Vic, Tasmania and SA. Daylight savings is
>  > now from the FIRST Sunday in October until the FIRST Sunday in April.
>
>  bloody hell, got caught out by my phone :) told me there had been a
>  daylight savings change

So did about half the people I work with. :-)

>  should have not listen my phone (windows mobile)

You should patch it. There *is* an update for Microsoft products -
provided, of course, you're not running anything later than XP.
WIndows 2000 or earlier - forget it!

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[Alex Samad]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:09:45AM +1100, DaZZa wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> >  for some reason my time is still daylight savings time ?  hasn't change
> >  for DST last night. any one else having this problem ?
> 
> That'll be because we're still in Daylight Savings Time - until NEXT Sunday.
> 
> NSW law changed last year to bring the NSW Daylight Savings periods in
> line with other states like Vic, Tasmania and SA. Daylight savings is
> now from the FIRST Sunday in October until the FIRST Sunday in April.

bloody hell, got caught out by my phone :) told me there had been a
daylight savings change


should have not listen my phone (windows mobile)

> 
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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[DaZZa]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
>  for some reason my time is still daylight savings time ?  hasn't change
>  for DST last night. any one else having this problem ?

That'll be because we're still in Daylight Savings Time - until NEXT Sunday.

NSW law changed last year to bring the NSW Daylight Savings periods in
line with other states like Vic, Tasmania and SA. Daylight savings is
now from the FIRST Sunday in October until the FIRST Sunday in April.

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Re: [SLUG] DST in debain

[James Purser]

On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 11:01 +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> Hi
> 
> for some reason my time is still daylight savings time ?  hasn't change
> for DST last night. any one else having this problem ?
> 
> Alex

That's actually correct, we are still in daylight savings time. The
Government shifted the end of daylight savings to April 6 so that NSW,
VIC and TAS all run on the same time.
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[SLUG] DST in debain

[Alex Samad]

Hi

for some reason my time is still daylight savings time ?  hasn't change
for DST last night. any one else having this problem ?

Alex

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