Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
This one time, at band camp, David Kempe wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll also be looking in to generating useful statistics from the mailman logs, so we can have a much firmer idea of how effective the current strategies are. Is there any packages around that already do this? Any advice or suggestions more than welcome. I had an idea once that to train these type of packages easily you could put a hyperlink at the bottom so you could train with a click. Much easier on admins etc. Of course it wouldn't make sense for the whole slug list to train. If you could have a link to a script with specified the message ID which went to a page where you could chose spam or nospam. Don't know how hard that all is, but it seemed to me to be a simpler way to train a filter than the current resending. The idea Pete came up with involved forwarding the message in question back to a spam-trainer address as an attachment, so that the message can be fed into the spam database of the bayesian filter, and using GPG to ensure that trusted parties do the feeding. I imagine a single script that'd take a message and do the right thing with it, so any list admin could bind a mutt key to do the job, or collect a mailbox in Evolution and feed that in bulk periodically, or similar. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword. This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time. Have I overlooked something? Peter -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 08:36:09 +1100, Peter Vogel wrote: With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword. This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time. Have I overlooked something? Ease of use. I'm sure my usual posting to slug will involve: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* look for an old email about the current magic keyword append to e-mail resend e-mail. Actually on second thoughts it will probably be more like: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* give up trying to reply to someones question Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:45:05AM +1100, Benno wrote: On Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 08:36:09 +1100, Peter Vogel wrote: With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword. This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time. Have I overlooked something? Ease of use. I'm sure my usual posting to slug will involve: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* look for an old email about the current magic keyword append to e-mail resend e-mail. Actually on second thoughts it will probably be more like: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* give up trying to reply to someones question If the s3kr1t keyword is '[SLUG]' and it has to appear in the subject, then I think we'd block at least 95% of spam. (to start with) plus you don't need to worry about replying, because your mailer will include '[SLUG]' in the header automatically. cheers, Woody -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
quote who=Anthony Wood If the s3kr1t keyword is '[SLUG]' and it has to appear in the subject, then I think we'd block at least 95% of spam. (to start with) plus you don't need to worry about replying, because your mailer will include '[SLUG]' in the header automatically. The key points that people are missing here: * We work quite hard behind the scenes to limit the amount of spam that gets to the SLUG lists - and we're already above 99% catch rate. Pete's proposal is an attempt to raise this even further, not to add spam filtering where there is none. * We just voted on the list policy and it was decided by a large margin to leave it exactly as it is so as not to 'raise the barrier to entry' to new participants. Thank you, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:22, Jan Schmidt wrote: The key points that people are missing here: * And nobody seems to be generating Mailman reports yet. :-( -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Email hacking
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 22:45, Mary Gardiner wrote: If you feel absolutely compelled to discuss this any further, do so on slug-chat. (Unless you are asking about configuration for lists YOU run.) Well, now that you mention it... ;-) I'd just like to clear up a few things that seemed to be left hanging after the meeting. Hence, SLUG admins will retain the current policy: non-subscribers will be able to post without moderation, and the admins will try and prevent spam reaching SLUG using Postfix, SpamAssassin and Mailman checks on content of the mails, rather than the From address. Jamie mentioned this during sluglets, but I may as well elaborate. We'll soon be adding bogofilter (http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/) in to the mix as well. One of my codefest projects will be writing a useful python wrapper around bogofilter, and plugging it in to mailman. Nutting out the details of handling remote training nicely is making it an interesting endeavour. I'll also be looking in to generating useful statistics from the mailman logs, so we can have a much firmer idea of how effective the current strategies are. Is there any packages around that already do this? Any advice or suggestions more than welcome. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
- Original Message - From: Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll also be looking in to generating useful statistics from the mailman logs, so we can have a much firmer idea of how effective the current strategies are. Is there any packages around that already do this? Any advice or suggestions more than welcome. I had an idea once that to train these type of packages easily you could put a hyperlink at the bottom so you could train with a click. Much easier on admins etc. Of course it wouldn't make sense for the whole slug list to train. If you could have a link to a script with specified the message ID which went to a page where you could chose spam or nospam. Don't know how hard that all is, but it seemed to me to be a simpler way to train a filter than the current resending. dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, David Kempe wrote: I had an idea once that to train these type of packages easily you could put a hyperlink at the bottom so you could train with a click. Much easier on admins etc. Of course it wouldn't make sense for the whole slug list to train. If you could have a link to a script with specified the message ID which went to a page where you could chose spam or nospam. Don't know how hard that all is, but it seemed to me to be a simpler way to train a filter than the current resending. I think you're onto something. If you added 2 hyperlinks at the bottom (only for admins), one for spam, one for no-spam. It would then be a one-click/key operation. Another thought was to whip up some php code to display the normal headers the first 10 lines of each message in batches of about 50 or 100 with checkboxes and one submit button at the bottom. Downside is you have to launch a web browser. -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver rave music lover, Big kid that refuses grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
