Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi Steven, Sorry for this enormous delay with reply and thank you for detailed answer. I think you showing a brilliant example of good parenting - thoughtful and thorough. While I praise your attitude for introducing your son to GNU/Linux and games may I ask what games you consider to be your favorite so far? Your experience may helpful for some of us. I respect your agnostic position regarding GNU/Linux distribution even though I disagree. :) I realized that in this short email I can't properly explain why I called Mandriva impaired comparing to Debian. I hope to clarify the matter in the essay I'm writing so hopefully I'll send you a link to it some time later when it will be finished. (if you don't mind). Regards, Dmitry. On 3 July 2011 17:42, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Dmitry, You do bring up some valid points. I was a Debian user for a very long time mainly due to the very wide range of packages, unmatched by any other distro I tried (I have all my servers running Debian or Ubuntu LTS, including an academic computing cluster). I am though, almost totally Distro agnostic. If it's GNU/Linux it will be familiar enough not to get in the way of doing stuff, and there will be a way to get what I want, it basically just comes down to the amount of effort. I moved to Ubuntu which at the time (may still be the case) had less packages, if I wanted something obscure it was far more likely to be packaged in Debian, but I moved never the less, as Ubuntu required less configuring and for the most part required less effort. Moving to Mandriva is much the same. It is GNU/Linux so has all the tools and capabilities I am after, as for range of packages, so far it has had everything I wanted and more, if there are some more obscure packages that it does not have, then on balance, overall I would still be happy to use Mandriva and build/package the 1 or 2 programs I want, though as I said, there is nothing yet that has not been available. As far as preinstalling the games, part of the fun for him is being independent and searching for games, he seems to find it quite rewarding being able to do this himself. If he breaks something, no problem its his computer. He then gets to do the install process, more fun and learning. It's not a choice between a distro and time with my son. His computer is in the living room and fully supervised at all times (even youtube can be disturbing at times). The whole distro change was totally done in consultation with my son, every choice was confirmed by him. In time, if he is interested and wants to learn, I will teach him how to do things on the command line, and hopefully how to program. The computer is not used as a babysitter, it is very much the opposite, it's a chance for him to learn by looking things up, or learning how to use it. I didn't even make the decision for him to use Linux, I gave him a dual boot system (with windows7) and he chose to use Linux only, as he used windows at school, so his logic was he could learn something else at home (I was very proud!). We end up discussing aspect of computing in general, or FOSS. I certainly wouldn't call Mandriva impaired. Anyway, it's interesting to hear different points of view, but for my son right now, Mandriva is the right choice. If next month he prefers Debian, or OpenSuse or Fedora or Ubuntu or gnome3 over KDE then in this fantastic ecosystem called FOSS, he is empowered to change, as often as he likes. The only criteria is that it is what he wants to do, even if its just to try something different, or just for fun. Cheers Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 11:55 +1000, onlyjob wrote: Hi Steven, Sorry for this enormous delay with reply and thank you for detailed answer. Suse, RedHat, Debian and Ubuntu. I have used them all, all quite good and the code base is pretty much the same. What I prefer is different to what you do for different reasons. (Ubuntu with Unity switched OFF!!!) The package management of today is nothing like before Debian got it right. The other distributions have followed suite and cleaned up their package managers I am sure that the problems of old are now just history. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi Dmitry, You do bring up some valid points. I was a Debian user for a very long time mainly due to the very wide range of packages, unmatched by any other distro I tried (I have all my servers running Debian or Ubuntu LTS, including an academic computing cluster). I am though, almost totally Distro agnostic. If it's GNU/Linux it will be familiar enough not to get in the way of doing stuff, and there will be a way to get what I want, it basically just comes down to the amount of effort. I moved to Ubuntu which at the time (may still be the case) had less packages, if I wanted something obscure it was far more likely to be packaged in Debian, but I moved never the less, as Ubuntu required less configuring and for the most part required less effort. Moving to Mandriva is much the same. It is GNU/Linux so has all the tools and capabilities I am after, as for range of packages, so far it has had everything I wanted and more, if there are some more obscure packages that it does not have, then on balance, overall I would still be happy to use Mandriva and build/package the 1 or 2 programs I want, though as I said, there is nothing yet that has not been available. As far as preinstalling the games, part of the fun for him is being independent and searching for games, he seems to find it quite rewarding being able to do this himself. If he breaks something, no problem its his computer. He then gets to do the install process, more fun and learning. It's not a choice between a distro and time with my son. His computer is in the living room and fully supervised at all times (even youtube can be disturbing at times). The whole distro change was totally done in consultation with my son, every choice was confirmed by him. In time, if he is interested and wants to learn, I will teach him how to do things on the command line, and hopefully how to program. The computer is not used as a babysitter, it is very much the opposite, it's a chance for him to learn by looking things up, or learning how to use it. I didn't even make the decision for him to use Linux, I gave him a dual boot system (with windows7) and he chose to use Linux only, as he used windows at school, so his logic was he could learn something else at home (I was very proud!). We end up discussing aspect of computing in general, or FOSS. I certainly wouldn't call Mandriva impaired. Anyway, it's interesting to hear different points of view, but for my son right now, Mandriva is the right choice. If next month he prefers Debian, or OpenSuse or Fedora or Ubuntu or gnome3 over KDE then in this fantastic ecosystem called FOSS, he is empowered to change, as often as he likes. The only criteria is that it is what he wants to do, even if its just to try something different, or just for fun. Cheers Tuxta From: onlyjob only...@gmail.com To: Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au Cc: SLUG slug@slug.org.au Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian Perhaps I'm missing something obvious but why not just preinstall all the games? I prefer keeping kid away from package management besides the fact that some games' setup in ScummVM, Wine or Dosbox may be quite not trivial. In the old days when I didn't know about Debian, Mandriva was looking attractive but nowadays I wouldn't recommend it because it would mean a lot less flexibility. Did you compare amount of games available in Debian and Mandriva? What's the numbers? Does Mandriva make any sense if it have no game you like when Debian have it? It appears to me that least important criteria was used for choosing a distribution. There are also some benefits of having the same GNU/Linux on all home computers. Synaptic is not so difficult after all and maybe all the effort ant time spent for experimenting with package managers could be better spent for teaching and training? If choosing between spending time together with kid helping to learn how to install software and spending time with impaired GNU/Linux distributions the first seems to be a better investment of time. Regards, Dmitry. On 3 July 2011 10:08, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
From: Erwin Mueller erwin.muel...@deventm.org To: slug@slug.org.au Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian Hi, I'm using Fedora 15 with KDE4 and for installing new software I'm using KPackageKit. Is KPackageKit not available in Debian? http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html Thanks for the suggestion, I looked into Kpackagekit and looks like the ticket, though I wasn't sure if there was an update notifier integrated with it. I have had a couple of annoyances with Wheezy though, and am a little concerned it may break with the rolling release set up so started looking around on the distro front. We are trialing Mandriva atm, it has an easy to use gui package manager which my son has already started using. It seems conservative enough to be stable, but updates often enough to keep us happy. They are working on an even better gui package manager for the next release so look forward to that. If we don't encounter any show stoppers my son will stick with KDE on Mandriva, fingers crossed. Thanks for everyones input. Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able to keep it up to date and install software through easy gui tools. It installed easily, everything worked and with the PLF repo's we have everything we could want software wise. I have found urmpi to be a capable alternative to apt. I'm so impressed actually, I am considering making the move on my workstation. Cheers Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Perhaps I'm missing something obvious but why not just preinstall all the games? I prefer keeping kid away from package management besides the fact that some games' setup in ScummVM, Wine or Dosbox may be quite not trivial. In the old days when I didn't know about Debian, Mandriva was looking attractive but nowadays I wouldn't recommend it because it would mean a lot less flexibility. Did you compare amount of games available in Debian and Mandriva? What's the numbers? Does Mandriva make any sense if it have no game you like when Debian have it? It appears to me that least important criteria was used for choosing a distribution. There are also some benefits of having the same GNU/Linux on all home computers. Synaptic is not so difficult after all and maybe all the effort ant time spent for experimenting with package managers could be better spent for teaching and training? If choosing between spending time together with kid helping to learn how to install software and spending time with impaired GNU/Linux distributions the first seems to be a better investment of time. Regards, Dmitry. On 3 July 2011 10:08, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able to keep it up to date and install software through easy gui tools. It installed easily, everything worked and with the PLF repo's we have everything we could want software wise. I have found urmpi to be a capable alternative to apt. I'm so impressed actually, I am considering making the move on my workstation. Cheers Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able to keep it up to date and install software through easy gui tools. It installed easily, everything worked and with the PLF repo's we have everything we could want software wise. I have found urmpi to be a capable alternative to apt. I'm so impressed actually, I am considering making the move on my workstation. Good for you. Mandriva is a superb distro which is mostly overlooked in this country. It has better than most hardware support and its Control Centre is one of the best around. Urpmi is very, very good but I have to confess that I find Yum a little better. I have used Mandriva for about 10 years and have never found it lacking although I am having a flirt with Fedora 15 right now for no real reason other than to see what the rest are doing. Mageia (Mandriva's fork) has better artwork but is, for release 1.0, a little lacking in the driver department. Right now it is a better looking Mandriva. Mandriva does KDE4 better than any other distro I have tried. This will start a war no doubt but these are my humble findings. I have used Linux since 1996 and as my desktop of choice since 1999 when things were a lot harder to do. By comparison now, Linux borders on boring because it works so well. Enjoy! Rick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Sorry forgot to mention that in Debian there is a nice package 'goplay' - it's some kind of a games database with screenshots. It may be quite helpful to choose which game to install. Dmitry. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Thus spake Steven Tucker: If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian /me slaps self Yes, I misread that above. I blame it on the funny font rendering in Windows 7, which I posted from then. ;-) In any case, software-center runs fine on Debian as well (it ships in the default desktop task) so you’re all set. They even couldn’t be bothered stripping the Ubuntu branding (apart from the logo) so visually it’s indistinguishable. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
'tis a thing of beauty! :) - Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:57:35 +1000 To: slug@slug.org.au Patrick, When you say GUI ? do you mean something like this ? -http://lcdproc.org/:-) a bit of hacking and perhaps you can get a graphics lcd working.. then he can have pixels.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi, I'm using Fedora 15 with KDE4 and for installing new software I'm using KPackageKit. Is KPackageKit not available in Debian? http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html On Thursday, June 30, 2011 09:57:47 AM Steven Tucker wrote: Hi sluggers, quick background to problem: My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center. As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me. So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has chosen. For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution. I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in Debian. Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution? We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable). Thanks in advance Tuxta -- Erwin Mueller http://www.global-scaling-institute.de/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi sluggers, quick background to problem: My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center. As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me. So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has chosen. For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution. I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in Debian. Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution? We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable). Thanks in advance Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
I sort of sympathise. Maybe you need to teach him apt-get install . . in the command shell... Six years is very young.. but today I saw a boy in a pram playing with some sort of game device.. he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi sluggers, quick background to problem: My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center. As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me. So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has chosen. For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution. I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in Debian. Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution? We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable). Thanks in advance Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/**mailinglists.htmlhttp://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote: he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls? Nick. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On 01/07/11 00:39, Nick Andrew wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote: he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls? Nick. Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Thanks for your input though. Just on a side note, when I stopped to think about it, its quite interesting that a 6 year old can jump straight in and find software and install it independently (one day I came home and he had installed about 8 new games), but a lot of adults, some in the university I work at, cant make the move to linux because its harder to install software than Windows!?!? If my son had to google for software, navigate to the appropriate website, download the software, navigate to the download and double click, next next next, he would not be installing much at all. Old dog, new tricks perhaps? Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, A. Not sure if this is suitable, but Software Center is available in Debian 6 and looks sort of similar the the Software Center in Ubuntu 11.04. B. Why KDE on Debian instead of the Classic interface in Ubuntu 11.04? NOTE: I also can't stand Unity but then I don't like KDE either. Heracles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4M//4ACgkQybPcBAs9CE9mrgCgu3kwskxHmITnEgmwnljxObwq pQQAn1mqRO44iNlDABBY3hvGb1cQx2Wn =v4xE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On 01/07/11 09:00, Heracles wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, A. Not sure if this is suitable, but Software Center is available in Debian 6 and looks sort of similar the the Software Center in Ubuntu 11.04. yes, this may be the path I take if there is no KDE equivalent, but I have read about issues. I guess I wont know till I try. B. Why KDE on Debian instead of the Classic interface in Ubuntu 11.04? NOTE: I also can't stand Unity but then I don't like KDE either. Well, we could have stayed with Ubuntu classic, but as AFAIK classic (as in gnome2) will be dropped next release, and the only gnome option will be gnome3. I'm not a fan of Unity or gnome3. So why not wait till October to switch? Well I guess that is reasonable, but knowing what is over the horizon, I would rather work on the transition now while I have some time, I may not have the luxury later. Perhaps not the greatest logic, but there it is. Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On 07/01/2011 08:21 AM, Steven Tucker wrote: On 01/07/11 00:39, Nick Andrew wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote: he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls? Nick. Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Thanks for your input though. Just on a side note, when I stopped to think about it, its quite interesting that a 6 year old can jump straight in and find software and install it independently (one day I came home and he had installed about 8 new games), but a lot of adults, some in the university I work at, cant make the move to linux because its harder to install software than Windows!?!? If my son had to google for software, navigate to the appropriate website, download the software, navigate to the download and double click, next next next, he would not be installing much at all. Old dog, new tricks perhaps? Tuxta you got the windows software install procedure almost correct you forgot, untick toolbar remove virus scanner bundled with install remove autostarted helpers take PC to computer store because it now plays up restore all important documents from backup because computer store formatted it to remove the virus that came bundled with it. realise you lost the licence key for office that you downloaded from microsoft buy another office licence realise that now your old documents are legacy and don't really work well with new office so spend ages reformatting them. download new email program to put smiley faces in emails. repeat. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Steven wrote: Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Hi Steven, There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things with. It's attractive, easy to navigate and you can browse just like you do in a store! It's a great, fun way to look for something you may want to use and to find things you didn't know about. Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the GNU/Linux 'app store' (LOL) on my machine just to see what there is and have found some amazingly interesting things. Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old dogs never learnt tricks before becoming old :) Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Patrick, When you say GUI ? do you mean something like this ? - http://lcdproc.org/ :-) a bit of hacking and perhaps you can get a graphics lcd working.. then he can have pixels.. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:49 PM, elliott-brennan elliottbren...@gmail.comwrote: Steven wrote: Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Hi Steven, There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things with. It's attractive, easy to navigate and you can browse just like you do in a store! It's a great, fun way to look for something you may want to use and to find things you didn't know about. Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the GNU/Linux 'app store' (LOL) on my machine just to see what there is and have found some amazingly interesting things. Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old dogs never learnt tricks before becoming old :) Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/**mailinglists.htmlhttp://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
