Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Broun, Bevan wrote: on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:17:17PM +1100, Paul Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there are now Linux stickers around my classroom and one machine will be a dual OS machine with Windows 98 and SuSE 7.3. The test will I think it might be better to have one machine setup as a linux login machine. That way a student who has an interest in linux/unix will be able to telnet/ssh into the machine from a windows box and read man pages and other fun thing like that. This machine could be without monitor/keyboard. No way man! It's gotta be the whole shebang multimedia desktop thing or the kids will think it's crap. They're pretty harsh critics you know. -- ---GRiP--- Web: www.arcadia.au.com/gripz Phone/fax: 02 4950 1194 Mobile: 0408 686 201 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
On Friday 11 January 2002 08:23, Broun, Bevan wrote: on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:17:17PM +1100, Paul Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there are now Linux stickers around my classroom and one machine will be a dual OS machine with Windows 98 and SuSE 7.3. The test will I have my machine at school (the p4 on my desk) set up as a Linux machine.I use it for all my functions at school and often spend time retrieving data from floppy disks that have been unreadable on the win2k machines in other staff rooms. Linux also controls part of the library network and free BSD runs our proxy server (gproxy)and internal email. There is as yet only one Linux machine available to the students on which to browse the net, but it is mostly used by the Linux literate students at school. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
3 cheers for Paul Copeland and his school..!!! That is the problem these days is that alot of people are standardising on M$ products... My girlfriend went into an interview and they tested her on Excel,Word,Access but didn't ask her if she know anything about linux desktops at all.. because windows is so much out there it's scarey... Though I'm one of the unfortunate ones who actually hate Netscape, though M$ is not far either.. It crashes just as much but Netscape is a pain to deal with in HTML, some thing it just causes more grief than it's worth to get a good effect on a web site where you decide to test it in IE and it just works.. But Mozilla is soon to be maturing.. it works like IE but isn't.. sorry if this hits some people but just my experiences... thanks, George Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Paul Copeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 5:17 PM To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation Hi All, Although I am relatively new to Linux, as a high school teacher I have noticed some things regarding students and computers. It amazes me to see how proficient some students are when delving into the Windows OS, and it demonstrates how comfortable people are with something that the grow up with it. While I was very comfortable with the nuances of Windows these kids would run rings around me several times over. The problem I see is that many students no of nothing outside the M$ universe. Prior to moving over to Linux my minimal move away from M$ was to use Netscape 6.2. I asked a couple of classes what they use to browse the net and they all looked at me like I was a fool, i.e. There is only one net browser sir. Their next question was to ask me what I used? They were stunned I didn't use M$ Explorer. Well there are now Linux stickers around my classroom and one machine will be a dual OS machine with Windows 98 and SuSE 7.3. The test will be to see if Linux will work with Novell, the network we run at school. One small victory is the Computing Studies teacher is quite interested in my Linux move and has agreed we should run both systems on the Staffroom machines. Small steps and the school may get there. It doesn't help, however, when the Department of Education enters into a licencing agreement with M$ that allows all staff to install Office etc at home legally. Forgive my musings, I am hoping I am in a good position to make people aware about Linux at a young age. Regards Paul Copeland -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
Hi George, Thanks for the kind words. I will be interseted to see what the kids think of SuSE 7.3 and KDE. Just a question, isn't Netscape 6/6.1/6.2 based on the Mozilla Project? I once read that Netscape 6 was just a rehashed version of Mozilla. This was how Time Warner reduced the amount of programmers working on Netscape as they based there work on the work of the Open Source Mozilla developers. Forgive me if I have this all topsy turvey. Regards Paul George Vieira wrote: 3 cheers for Paul Copeland and his school..!!! That is the problem these days is that alot of people are standardising on M$ products... My girlfriend went into an interview and they tested her on Excel,Word,Access but didn't ask her if she know anything about linux desktops at all.. because windows is so much out there it's scarey... Though I'm one of the unfortunate ones who actually hate Netscape, though M$ is not far either.. It crashes just as much but Netscape is a pain to deal with in HTML, some thing it just causes more grief than it's worth to get a good effect on a web site where you decide to test it in IE and it just works.. But Mozilla is soon to be maturing.. it works like IE but isn't.. sorry if this hits some people but just my experiences... thanks, George Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
quote who=Paul Copeland Just a question, isn't Netscape 6/6.1/6.2 based on the Mozilla Project? I once read that Netscape 6 was just a rehashed version of Mozilla. Forgive me if I have this all topsy turvey. No, you're absolutely correct, but you'll find that most people in these parts say Netscape when they mean the dreaded 4.x versions, and completely ignore the 6.x versions in favour of Mozilla. I tried Netscape 6 once, and wondered why they'd release such a broken version of Mozilla. :) - Jeff -- World domination is a community responsibility. - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
Paul Copeland wrote:
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The test will
be to see if Linux will work with Novell, the network we run at school.
You need mars (?)
Works well with Novell 4.11 and gives you client access. Just map the
drives you want.
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RE: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
It probably is and I haven't used 6.x yet under linux. I know under windows it works alot better than 4.x but it still has some small rendering quirks.. maybe I'll check my code and make sure.. Whatever the case is, it's freee thanks, George Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Paul Copeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 12:25 AM To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation Hi George, Thanks for the kind words. I will be interseted to see what the kids think of SuSE 7.3 and KDE. Just a question, isn't Netscape 6/6.1/6.2 based on the Mozilla Project? I once read that Netscape 6 was just a rehashed version of Mozilla. This was how Time Warner reduced the amount of programmers working on Netscape as they based there work on the work of the Open Source Mozilla developers. Forgive me if I have this all topsy turvey. Regards Paul George Vieira wrote: 3 cheers for Paul Copeland and his school..!!! That is the problem these days is that alot of people are standardising on M$ products... My girlfriend went into an interview and they tested her on Excel,Word,Access but didn't ask her if she know anything about linux desktops at all.. because windows is so much out there it's scarey... Though I'm one of the unfortunate ones who actually hate Netscape, though M$ is not far either.. It crashes just as much but Netscape is a pain to deal with in HTML, some thing it just causes more grief than it's worth to get a good effect on a web site where you decide to test it in IE and it just works.. But Mozilla is soon to be maturing.. it works like IE but isn't.. sorry if this hits some people but just my experiences... thanks, George Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:17:17PM +1100, Paul Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well there are now Linux stickers around my classroom and one machine will be a dual OS machine with Windows 98 and SuSE 7.3. The test will I think it might be better to have one machine setup as a linux login machine. That way a student who has an interest in linux/unix will be able to telnet/ssh into the machine from a windows box and read man pages and other fun thing like that. This machine could be without monitor/keyboard. B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
At 11:18 am, Friday, January 11 2002, Broun, Bevan mumbled: I think it might be better to have one machine setup as a linux login machine. That way a student who has an interest in linux/unix will be able to telnet/ssh into the machine from a windows box and read man pages and other fun thing like that. This machine could be without monitor/keyboard. Oh, I agree to that. At my last job, I was told to use Windows. So I did most of my work telnet'd (later, ssh'd, when I'd installed it.) to a Linux server. *stretches in front of his Linux workstation at the office* -- Steve BenC echo WORK DAMNIT /dev/driverfs/eth0/status msg19412/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:37:41AM +1100, Steve Kowalik wrote: Oh, I agree to that. At my last job, I was told to use Windows. So I did most of my work telnet'd (later, ssh'd, when I'd installed it.) to a Linux server. that was one of my requirements when job hunting - I won't work with a M$ desktop machine, I've always had Dec Vax/Alpha, Suns or linux (in that order) (nb the vax wasn't a desktop of course it was a dumb terminal to the vax). *stretches in front of his Linux workstation at the office* ditto! Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Fitch wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:37:41AM +1100, Steve Kowalik wrote: Oh, I agree to that. At my last job, I was told to use Windows. So, you complied, and used X Windows, or the newer Windows LX (8-) -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com We are either doing something, or we are not. 'Talking about' is a subset of 'not'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
At 3:54 pm, Friday, January 11 2002, Howard Lowndes mumbled: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, David Fitch wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:37:41AM +1100, Steve Kowalik wrote: Oh, I agree to that. At my last job, I was told to use Windows. So, you complied, and used X Windows, or the newer Windows LX (8-) Naw, I used 98, and hated it. -- Steve Real programmers use chmod +x /dev/random and cross their fingers. msg19424/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[SLUG] Linux and the Next Generation
Hi All, Although I am relatively new to Linux, as a high school teacher I have noticed some things regarding students and computers. It amazes me to see how proficient some students are when delving into the Windows OS, and it demonstrates how comfortable people are with something that the grow up with it. While I was very comfortable with the nuances of Windows these kids would run rings around me several times over. The problem I see is that many students no of nothing outside the M$ universe. Prior to moving over to Linux my minimal move away from M$ was to use Netscape 6.2. I asked a couple of classes what they use to browse the net and they all looked at me like I was a fool, i.e. There is only one net browser sir. Their next question was to ask me what I used? They were stunned I didn't use M$ Explorer. Well there are now Linux stickers around my classroom and one machine will be a dual OS machine with Windows 98 and SuSE 7.3. The test will be to see if Linux will work with Novell, the network we run at school. One small victory is the Computing Studies teacher is quite interested in my Linux move and has agreed we should run both systems on the Staffroom machines. Small steps and the school may get there. It doesn't help, however, when the Department of Education enters into a licencing agreement with M$ that allows all staff to install Office etc at home legally. Forgive my musings, I am hoping I am in a good position to make people aware about Linux at a young age. Regards Paul Copeland -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
