Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Daniel Pittman]

Marghanita da Cruz  writes:
> Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
>
>> Yes, it's a slight derivation of the script we used at LCA2007, which uses
>> ffmpeg2theora. It's worked well for us so far. If there's a problem, I
>> suspect it's with the installed copy of ffmpeg2theora.
>
> There are a couple of other possible causes:
>
> * as Martin suggested disk isn't keeping up (in the capture - assuming
>   DVGRAB).  Though my experience of capture (Kino/DVGRAB) is the computer
>   display has/should have lower priority - so, I have to track the capture
>   on the camcorder display

Ah.  When I was doing DV capture, some time ago, I found that frame dropping
was pretty hard to avoid.  Even running to a five disk RAID-0 with a gig of
memory for caching I found that none of the common file systems at the time[1]
would robustly keep up.

In the end I found the most reliable "solution" was:

while sleep 1; do sync; done

That works independently of the filesystem; testing showed that XFS hurt less
for other things at the same time, but there was little other difference.

Ugly, but it kept data flowing out smoothly rather than in bursts that tended
to cause frame dropping.  Sadly, given the figures that have shown up in the
current per-BDI flushing work on the kernel it *still* looks like 2.6.30 has
problems keeping a smooth dataflow on create — though that might finally
change in the .31 or .32 timeframe.

Regards,
Daniel

Footnotes: 
[1]  XFS, ext2, ext3 in all three data modes.

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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

Yes, it's a slight derivation of the script we used at LCA2007, which
uses ffmpeg2theora. It's worked well for us so far. If there's a
problem, I suspect it's with the installed copy of ffmpeg2theora.



There are a couple of other possible causes:

*as Martin suggested disk isn't keeping up (in the capture - assuming DVGRAB).
Though my experience of capture (Kino/DVGRAB)  is the computer display 
has/should
have lower  priority - so, I have to track the capture on the camcorder display

*I noticed the files on the server are quite large. I've had problems playing
high quality video and suggest reducing the quality to "broadband 320x240"
(audio, which is the important bit, is still good). This may also help at the
server end.

Varying the quality is an output preference in Kino/ffmpegtheora but I don't 
know
the parameters would be if you are using raw ffmpegtheora.

Marghanita


2009/6/2 Ken Wilson :

ffmpeg2theora script from SLUG website that is a derivative of the script
from LCA Sydney i think.
Ken

Jeff Waugh wrote:




This time to the list :(

Looks like there's an ugly encoding issue going on... the audio seems
fine,
but the video goes nuts in mplayer (and gstreamer just seems to ignore the
intermediate frames -- mplayer is valiantly trying to do something useful
with them).

What did you use to encode the videos?

- Jeff


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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

Yes, it's a slight derivation of the script we used at LCA2007, which
uses ffmpeg2theora. It's worked well for us so far. If there's a
problem, I suspect it's with the installed copy of ffmpeg2theora.


2009/6/2 Ken Wilson :
> ffmpeg2theora script from SLUG website that is a derivative of the script
> from LCA Sydney i think.
> Ken
>
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>> This time to the list :(
>>
>> Looks like there's an ugly encoding issue going on... the audio seems
>> fine,
>> but the video goes nuts in mplayer (and gstreamer just seems to ignore the
>> intermediate frames -- mplayer is valiantly trying to do something useful
>> with them).
>>
>> What did you use to encode the videos?
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Ken Wilson]

ffmpeg2theora script from SLUG website that is a derivative of the 
script from LCA Sydney i think.

Ken

Jeff Waugh wrote:




This time to the list :(


Looks like there's an ugly encoding issue going on... the audio seems fine,
but the video goes nuts in mplayer (and gstreamer just seems to ignore the
intermediate frames -- mplayer is valiantly trying to do something useful
with them).

What did you use to encode the videos?

- Jeff


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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Martin Visser]

Yes, I had the same issue.

I actually found that Movie Player (totem) actually does a better job in
playing then mplayer. (mplayer basically shows garbage/blocks, whereas totem
just does a freeze-frame for a second or two when the errors occur). My
guess is that during the transfer from camera to disk (maybe using dvgrab??)
that video frames are being dropped - possibly due to your capture
workstation not keeping up with the firewire/1394 transfer. The fault-mode
displayed doesn't seem to what you would normally see because of an encoding
issue, but I could be wrong.

Regards, Martin

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On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Jeff Waugh  wrote:

> 
>
> > This time to the list :(
>
> Looks like there's an ugly encoding issue going on... the audio seems fine,
> but the video goes nuts in mplayer (and gstreamer just seems to ignore the
> intermediate frames -- mplayer is valiantly trying to do something useful
> with them).
>
> What did you use to encode the videos?
>
> - Jeff
>
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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Marghanita da Cruz]

James Purser wrote:

Martin Visser wrote:

Awesome, thanks Ken + the team!

Regards, Martin

martinvisse...@gmail.com

I'll second that.

Also thanks to everyone who turned up and watched me ramble :)

If you want to have a look at the slides that went along with the talk
there on slideshare:

http://www.slideshare.net/purserj/thinkubating-or-how-local-government-came-to-love-plone

James


Thanks for an interesting talk James,

From memory, your slides were in PDF. However, slideshare is asking me to
download flash - which I have a  policy of not using.

Following up on the presentation, I have a couple of questions about the
project/plone:
*did the project produce HTML or PDF/Word?
*any strong/week points/frustrations you/your clients found which were Plone 
limitations/features

*does plone provide support for templates (to for example generate HTML tables)

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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Richard Ibbotson]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 14:04:42 Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Looks like there's an ugly encoding issue going on... the audio
> seems fine, but the video goes nuts in mplayer (and gstreamer just
> seems to ignore the intermediate frames -- mplayer is valiantly
> trying to do something useful with them).
>
> What did you use to encode the videos?

Yeh.. I'm getting that.  Also get the same when I create my own videos 
from VHS-C tape.


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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Jeff Waugh]

> This time to the list :(

Looks like there's an ugly encoding issue going on... the audio seems fine,
but the video goes nuts in mplayer (and gstreamer just seems to ignore the
intermediate frames -- mplayer is valiantly trying to do something useful
with them).

What did you use to encode the videos?

- Jeff

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Re: Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides?

[Ken Wilson]

Michael Chesterton wrote:



The videos are up, (thank you very much) they're in the 2008 directory.

http://mirror.linux.org.au/lug/slug/2008/


looks like the LA server script that transports the videos to folders is 
not dealing with a new year.

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[James Purser]

Martin Visser wrote:
> Awesome, thanks Ken + the team!
>
> Regards, Martin
>
> martinvisse...@gmail.com
I'll second that.

Also thanks to everyone who turned up and watched me ramble :)

If you want to have a look at the slides that went along with the talk
there on slideshare:

http://www.slideshare.net/purserj/thinkubating-or-how-local-government-came-to-love-plone

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Martin Visser]

Awesome, thanks Ken + the team!

Regards, Martin

martinvisse...@gmail.com


On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Michael Chesterton  wrote:

> This time to the list :(
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>  From: Michael Chesterton 
>> Date: 31 May 2009 3:53:41 PM
>> To: Ken Wilson 
>> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO
>> STORAGE
>>
>>
>> On 30/05/2009, at 9:22 PM, Ken Wilson wrote:
>>
>>  Jamnes and Jeffs talks recorded OK, are uploaded to LA site, available
>>> some time soon,, when fancy automatics happens.
>>>
>>
>> The videos are up, (thank you very much) they're in the 2008 directory.
>>
>> http://mirror.linux.org.au/lug/slug/2008/
>>
>> Thanks Ken.
>>
>> --
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>>
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Fwd: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Michael Chesterton]

This time to the list :(

Begin forwarded message:


From: Michael Chesterton 
Date: 31 May 2009 3:53:41 PM
To: Ken Wilson 
Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT  
VIDEO STORAGE



On 30/05/2009, at 9:22 PM, Ken Wilson wrote:

Jamnes and Jeffs talks recorded OK, are uploaded to LA site,  
available some time soon,, when fancy automatics happens.


The videos are up, (thank you very much) they're in the 2008  
directory.


http://mirror.linux.org.au/lug/slug/2008/

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides? SYSADMINS:- LOOK AT VIDEO STORAGE

[Ken Wilson]

Jamnes and Jeffs talks recorded OK, are uploaded to LA site, available 
some time soon,, when fancy automatics happens.
If anyone notices odd sequencing in the video then I can re sequence the 
components. The camera gave me really weird numbering of the component 
files, I think I have cat-ted them together in the right sequence, but 
if it is wrong email me and I will redo.
SLUG server seems to be missing storage at 
/home/slug/slug.org.au/root/videos/

***could the sysadmins look at where the 200G disc has gone.
because it was not visible today.

Marghanita da Cruz wrote:

Ken Wilson wrote:

Various problems.
Sound had sufficient noise to be unusable, which was traced to a lead 
problem, now fixed with a new lead.

Last month I connected to a wrong output so got no sound.
This month looked OK as I was filming, and it should go up over the 
weekend.
Any help on filming appreciated, I am doing it as no one else is, I 
know zip about video, and am learning in the dark on SLUG meetings.

Ken



Know, the feeling I once went to the effort of connecting an external 
microphone
but forgot to turn it on. While audio without video is useful, unless 
you are

recording Marcel Marceau - video without audio is useless.

As with all these things, getting the formula right is useful. I noticed 
the
camera was at the back of the room, perhaps those who have viewed the 
video can

provide feedback on whether this works for them.



side is hard to get speaker and screen together, from the back it is 
lower resolution but workable.
I figure the camera position is close enough to get a reasonable view. I 
am not at full telephoto and have speaker and screen in view. And there 
is power supply. also it doesn't interfere with the limited seating supply.
I want to listen to the speaker, rather than spend all my time worrying 
about camera angles, so I am generic about filming.
Dynamic camera would be better in question and answer, but only if their 
was a runner with audience microphone.
I would like speakers to paraphrase the question at the start of their 
answer, but that is hard for non experienced, and non prompted speakers, 
so often fails.

Next month it will all be different in a different venue.
Google potentially offers some much more exciting video/multiple 
cameras/flash presentation. We may see speaker, with video of speaker, 
image of slides from the laptop, crowd microphone and camera, in a 
composite image; equipment and potential is there in the Google 
building. We will probable just bumble along as usual with what we have, 
pending experience setting up in a new venue, and help on the 
technology. I am told there is a stereo mini-jack microphone feed, which 
is what I need. But later things could be much better. If you can make 
this work then step forward, because it is way over my head.

If you know about flash and U tube then I probably need help.
There are always debates available about free formats but lets get 
something up that is useful for our audience.

cheers
Ken

I have used a side of room camera position, which worked well. I did try 
(without

much success) to pan to members of the audience when they asked questions
- but occasionally randomly panning to the audience - does provide 
variety without
affecting the sound quality much. Towards the Front beside the audience 
reduces
the images of backs of heads and being closer to the speaker the sound 
is better.


Sorry, my attendance at SLUG meetings is too erratic for me to commit to 
helping

out with video capture and production, but thanks for doing it.

My 2c worth.

Marghanita

Martin Visser wrote:
I know that this question comes up from time to time, but I think it 
is the
first time that I have asked, so I thought I would kick it out there 
again

;-)

I try to get to meetings 2 or 3 times a year, but can't always get 
there,

mainly because of work and geographic issues. I know many members of the
list are in a similar situation.

As far as I am aware, video recordings of the main talks as well as 
slides

are captured every month.

Unfortunately, it seems though that this valuable material isn't being
published. I know that there has been issues with manpower/server
space/broken cameras etc that have been discussed in the past. So I 
guess I

am wondering whether there is a plan to get this back on track? I don't
imagine the problem is insoluble, and if people are made aware of 
what needs

to be done they can possibly pitch in.

(I am particular interested in seeing Jeff's talk tonight but 
probably won't
be able to get there - and I know of at least one person that can't 
be there

but would love to see it).

Regards, Martin

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides?

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Ken Wilson wrote:

Various problems.
Sound had sufficient noise to be unusable, which was traced to a lead 
problem, now fixed with a new lead.

Last month I connected to a wrong output so got no sound.
This month looked OK as I was filming, and it should go up over the 
weekend.
Any help on filming appreciated, I am doing it as no one else is, I know 
zip about video, and am learning in the dark on SLUG meetings.

Ken



Know, the feeling I once went to the effort of connecting an external microphone
but forgot to turn it on. While audio without video is useful, unless you are
recording Marcel Marceau - video without audio is useless.

As with all these things, getting the formula right is useful. I noticed the
camera was at the back of the room, perhaps those who have viewed the video can
provide feedback on whether this works for them.

I have used a side of room camera position, which worked well. I did try 
(without
much success) to pan to members of the audience when they asked questions
- but occasionally randomly panning to the audience - does provide variety 
without
affecting the sound quality much. Towards the Front beside the audience reduces
the images of backs of heads and being closer to the speaker the sound is 
better.

Sorry, my attendance at SLUG meetings is too erratic for me to commit to helping
out with video capture and production, but thanks for doing it.

My 2c worth.

Marghanita

Martin Visser wrote:
I know that this question comes up from time to time, but I think it 
is the
first time that I have asked, so I thought I would kick it out there 
again

;-)

I try to get to meetings 2 or 3 times a year, but can't always get there,
mainly because of work and geographic issues. I know many members of the
list are in a similar situation.

As far as I am aware, video recordings of the main talks as well as 
slides

are captured every month.

Unfortunately, it seems though that this valuable material isn't being
published. I know that there has been issues with manpower/server
space/broken cameras etc that have been discussed in the past. So I 
guess I

am wondering whether there is a plan to get this back on track? I don't
imagine the problem is insoluble, and if people are made aware of what 
needs

to be done they can possibly pitch in.

(I am particular interested in seeing Jeff's talk tonight but probably 
won't
be able to get there - and I know of at least one person that can't be 
there

but would love to see it).

Regards, Martin

martinvisse...@gmail.com



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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides?

[Ken Wilson]

Various problems.
Sound had sufficient noise to be unusable, which was traced to a lead 
problem, now fixed with a new lead.

Last month I connected to a wrong output so got no sound.
This month looked OK as I was filming, and it should go up over the weekend.
Any help on filming appreciated, I am doing it as no one else is, I know 
zip about video, and am learning in the dark on SLUG meetings.

Ken

Martin Visser wrote:

I know that this question comes up from time to time, but I think it is the
first time that I have asked, so I thought I would kick it out there again
;-)

I try to get to meetings 2 or 3 times a year, but can't always get there,
mainly because of work and geographic issues. I know many members of the
list are in a similar situation.

As far as I am aware, video recordings of the main talks as well as slides
are captured every month.

Unfortunately, it seems though that this valuable material isn't being
published. I know that there has been issues with manpower/server
space/broken cameras etc that have been discussed in the past. So I guess I
am wondering whether there is a plan to get this back on track? I don't
imagine the problem is insoluble, and if people are made aware of what needs
to be done they can possibly pitch in.

(I am particular interested in seeing Jeff's talk tonight but probably won't
be able to get there - and I know of at least one person that can't be there
but would love to see it).

Regards, Martin

martinvisse...@gmail.com

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides?

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

2009/5/29 Martin Visser :
> I know that this question comes up from time to time, but I think it is the
> first time that I have asked, so I thought I would kick it out there again
> ;-)
>
> I try to get to meetings 2 or 3 times a year, but can't always get there,
> mainly because of work and geographic issues. I know many members of the
> list are in a similar situation.
>
> As far as I am aware, video recordings of the main talks as well as slides
> are captured every month.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems though that this valuable material isn't being
> published. I know that there has been issues with manpower/server
> space/broken cameras etc that have been discussed in the past. So I guess I
> am wondering whether there is a plan to get this back on track? I don't
> imagine the problem is insoluble, and if people are made aware of what needs
> to be done they can possibly pitch in.

We've got some stuff up at http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/lug/slug/

Unfortunately, a dodgy audio cable meant that we don't have decent
sound for quite a few talks. That was rectified a while ago, but we
just need to get around to getting them all up there.


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Re: [SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides?

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Martin Visser wrote:

I know that this question comes up from time to time, but I think it is the
first time that I have asked, so I thought I would kick it out there again
;-)

I try to get to meetings 2 or 3 times a year, but can't always get there,
mainly because of work and geographic issues. I know many members of the
list are in a similar situation.

As far as I am aware, video recordings of the main talks as well as slides
are captured every month.

Unfortunately, it seems though that this valuable material isn't being
published. I know that there has been issues with manpower/server
space/broken cameras etc that have been discussed in the past. So I guess I
am wondering whether there is a plan to get this back on track? I don't
imagine the problem is insoluble, and if people are made aware of what needs
to be done they can possibly pitch in.

(I am particular interested in seeing Jeff's talk tonight but probably won't
be able to get there - and I know of at least one person that can't be there
but would love to see it).




As I am attending tonights talk, I will take my camera along. If it is OK with
Jeff and the SLUG committee, I will record the talk and make the video and/or
audio available as an Ogg File.  I am prepared to make the Ogg file available
under a creative commons license, incorporating appropriate credits in the 
footage.
Ofcourse distribution is still an issue...so, offers of servers would be 
welcome.

Personally, I don't think there is much ROI on recording, editing and
publishing video of talks, but I would be interested in other views.

My videos of some non-SLUG talks has been uploaded to youtube.
See links here:


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[SLUG] SLUG meeting videos/slides?

[Martin Visser]

I know that this question comes up from time to time, but I think it is the
first time that I have asked, so I thought I would kick it out there again
;-)

I try to get to meetings 2 or 3 times a year, but can't always get there,
mainly because of work and geographic issues. I know many members of the
list are in a similar situation.

As far as I am aware, video recordings of the main talks as well as slides
are captured every month.

Unfortunately, it seems though that this valuable material isn't being
published. I know that there has been issues with manpower/server
space/broken cameras etc that have been discussed in the past. So I guess I
am wondering whether there is a plan to get this back on track? I don't
imagine the problem is insoluble, and if people are made aware of what needs
to be done they can possibly pitch in.

(I am particular interested in seeing Jeff's talk tonight but probably won't
be able to get there - and I know of at least one person that can't be there
but would love to see it).

Regards, Martin

martinvisse...@gmail.com
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