[SLUG] Win4Lin
I notice Win4Lin requires a legal copy of Windows. Is that a legal, legal copy, or does it also work with a wink, wink legal copy? Just an innocent question. John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin
There is no way it could tel one from the other. That said there is legal reasons behind then needing a proper copy. But it should work just the same with a 'backup' copy. Luke John Gibbons wrote: I notice Win4Lin requires a legal copy of Windows. Is that a legal, legal copy, or does it also work with a wink, wink legal copy? Just an innocent question. John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin
On Thu, 05 May 2005 10:08:47 +1200 John Gibbons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice Win4Lin requires a legal copy of Windows. Is that a legal, legal copy, or does it also work with a wink, wink legal copy? Just an innocent question. An innocent answer: if you have the key that is distributed with the product, then you can install it. You must also read and agree to the licence conditions. Cheers, Alan John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. I find vmware pathetically slow. Beside which you need full Windows -- Del -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:23 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. I find vmware pathetically slow. Beside which you need full Windows You'll need a copy of Windows for Win4Lin. It also doesn't do a full emulation like VMWare does. So while it's faster it also won't let you run anything newer than Windows 98 (I believe this is because of MMU stuff, but I don't actually know that much about this kinda thing so I'm likely telling you complete lies on that. Does anyone know more? You might want to look into qemu: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ Which can run Windows 98 according to this page: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html I've been tinkering with it over the last few weeks. I've not tried to install windows on it, but the claim that it's fast is justified. The really nice thing (to me) is that when the OS inside the virtual machine is idling, the host system isn't burning cycles emulating the idleness. I think that's awesome. Win4Lin will be less setup time though. The installer worked first time for me the last time I tried it. HTH, James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:53, James Gregory wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:23 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. I find vmware pathetically slow. Beside which you need full Windows You'll need a copy of Windows for Win4Lin. It also doesn't do a full emulation like VMWare does. So while it's faster it also won't let you run anything newer than Windows 98 (I believe this is because of MMU stuff, but I don't actually know that much about this kinda thing so I'm likely telling you complete lies on that. Does anyone know more? I'm desparately trying not to run Windows, just Windows apps, specifically MYOB, and even single user at that. I don't want to take a chance on the user seeing anything else that Windows has other than the specific app. You might want to look into qemu: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ Which can run Windows 98 according to this page: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html I've been tinkering with it over the last few weeks. I've not tried to install windows on it, but the claim that it's fast is justified. The really nice thing (to me) is that when the OS inside the virtual machine is idling, the host system isn't burning cycles emulating the idleness. I think that's awesome. Win4Lin will be less setup time though. The installer worked first time for me the last time I tried it. HTH, James. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
The subject asks the question. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine? A: Yes.
That's not a fantastic way to get an answer, let alone a good one. What do you want to use such an application for? What have you tried so far? Are you talking about comparing price/TCO/convenience/reliability/support/frames per second/footprint/security/speed/AS400 ports/quality of comments in source code/...? :) :) What has your own research surfaced so far? http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ... will not answer your question, but might be worth reading anyway. Cheers, - Rog ... More content, less sig. Get a blog instead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Lowndes Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 5:42 AM To: UnknownMailList-SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine? The subject asks the question. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
quote who=Howard Lowndes The subject asks the question. Without any context, it's hard to say. They do substantially different things, although in some respects solve similar problems. What are you trying to do? - Jeff -- OSCON 2004: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ Acts of random. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 05:41 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. In my mind, WINE is a better solution *if* you can get it to work for what you need to do. My reasons for saying that essentially boil down to the fact that you get better integration with the host OS by virtue of it making your windows applications appear as normal apps. The windows filesystem is just a directory on your host box. There's less disk space required. You see your windows processes in ps, top etc, and you can do all the normal things to them (renice them, kill them etc) Win4Lin is a different beast. The last time I looked at it I was very impressed with it, and even though it isn't free, it is a product I recommend. If you happen to run mandrake you even get the advantage of kernels built with the Win4Lin patches in them -- though you need to select that particular kernel (it's not the defaut). I look forward to the day that I can unequivocally recommend WINE for all your Windows needs, but we're not there yet. James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad?
G'day GripZ... err Grant and all... Actually it's the MYOB locking methodology rather than the MS Windows behaviour ... Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 Grant Parnell - EverythingLinux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/2003 01:26 PM To:Stuart Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad? Just out of curiousity, are you using the vnet setup or the other one? I think for this situation the Win4Lin would probably benefit from having it's own IP address. At least it's something to try to benchmark. A quirky alternative might be to smbmount the relevant directory on the server itself but I'm thinking this won't help since it's the Window's locking behaviour you're trying to trigger but you never know till you try. On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Stuart Guthrie wrote: Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts). I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks. Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse. Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time. I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode? Stu -- ---GRiP--- Grant Parnell - senior consultant EverythingLinux services - the consultant's backup tech support. Web: http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/services We're also busybits.com.au and linuxhelp.com.au. Phone 02 8752 6622 to book service or discuss your needs. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad?
Just out of curiousity, are you using the vnet setup or the other one? I think for this situation the Win4Lin would probably benefit from having it's own IP address. At least it's something to try to benchmark. A quirky alternative might be to smbmount the relevant directory on the server itself but I'm thinking this won't help since it's the Window's locking behaviour you're trying to trigger but you never know till you try. On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Stuart Guthrie wrote: Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts). I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks. Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse. Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time. I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode? Stu -- ---GRiP--- Grant Parnell - senior consultant EverythingLinux services - the consultant's backup tech support. Web: http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/services We're also busybits.com.au and linuxhelp.com.au. Phone 02 8752 6622 to book service or discuss your needs. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad?
Thanks Mike In summary. Mike's point fixed this problem and now the multi-user access to MYOB is faster under Win4Lin than from a Win98 PC. This I like. The problem was back to good old permissions. It's still a bit unclear why Samba which assigns file permissions as the user logged on was different to the user logging on directly and assigning file permissions from win4lin. I've redefined the umask so that it will not happen again. Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart, If you're accessing the data file locally, check that the permissions for the files and directories are the same as if from samba. MYOB achieves filesharing of data files via lockfiles, if one user logs into MYOB (creates a lockfile), and the other user can't read or modify that lockfile they will not be able to use the same MYOB data file under MYOB. I hope this is clear, and from the looks of things, its probably what's happening. (Ie. you access locally and it locks other users out as they don't have the priveleges to read/modify the lockfile.) Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 *Stuart Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/2003 04:35 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad? Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts). I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks. Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse. Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time. I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode? Stu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad?
Thanks for the acknowlegement Stu, MYOB can be a tad tricky because of that... I find the create-mask, directory-mask and force-group options of the MYOB setting to be useful. (Unsure that group permissions are set correctly.) Once you know it though, it's a breeze... Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 Stuart Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/2003 07:24 AM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad? Thanks Mike In summary. Mike's point fixed this problem and now the multi-user access to MYOB is faster under Win4Lin than from a Win98 PC. This I like. The problem was back to good old permissions. It's still a bit unclear why Samba which assigns file permissions as the user logged on was different to the user logging on directly and assigning file permissions from win4lin. I've redefined the umask so that it will not happen again. Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart, If you're accessing the data file locally, check that the permissions for the files and directories are the same as if from samba. MYOB achieves filesharing of data files via lockfiles, if one user logs into MYOB (creates a lockfile), and the other user can't read or modify that lockfile they will not be able to use the same MYOB data file under MYOB. I hope this is clear, and from the looks of things, its probably what's happening. (Ie. you access locally and it locks other users out as they don't have the priveleges to read/modify the lockfile.) Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 *Stuart Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/2003 04:35 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad? Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts). I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks. Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse. Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time. I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode? Stu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad?
Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts). I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks. Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse. Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time. I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode? Stu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad?
Stuart, If you're accessing the data file locally, check that the permissions for the files and directories are the same as if from samba. MYOB achieves filesharing of data files via lockfiles, if one user logs into MYOB (creates a lockfile), and the other user can't read or modify that lockfile they will not be able to use the same MYOB data file under MYOB. I hope this is clear, and from the looks of things, its probably what's happening. (Ie. you access locally and it locks other users out as they don't have the priveleges to read/modify the lockfile.) Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 Stuart Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/2003 04:35 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[SLUG] Win4Lin MYOB - is it really this bad? Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts). I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks. Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse. Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time. I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode? Stu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] win4lin (Was: Re: wine)
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 05:19:48PM +1000, Simon Wong wrote: heard of Win4Lin. It runs Windows 9x (95/98/ME) very well, and there are extremely few hiccups with it. Compatibility is extremely high since you're running Windows inside a virtual machine -- but the VM is _much_ faster than VMware. What apps are you running? I mostly run Word, Excel and Paint Shop Pro 7 under it. Hardly demanding applications, but they work well. Don't expect it to be a full-blown Windows replacement though; one major limitation of Win4Lin is that it doesn't emulate a whole lot of memory for Windows. By default, it ships with 32MB -- which seems pitiful if you know anything about Windows, but I'm guessing that they somehow have a different way of managing memory, because almost all programs I've thrown at it seem to be very happy with that. Truly memory-intensive beasts (e.g. Photoshop) will have no fun under Win4Lin, though. Version 4 may change that, if you're really lucky. Have you/anyone tried running something similar that needs to talk to com/Ir ports? I think that many people on the win4lin-users mailing list have got Palm desktop etc to work properly, although a few of them have problems with it. However, it's always quite hard to diagnose whether those users are having problems with Win4Lin itself, or whether it's a non-Win4Lin related problem. (e.g. perhaps their kernel isn't configured properly.) I bought a copy, I'm going to buy another one soon, and I have no idea how I'd live without it. www.win4lin.com for details. They've mentioned that version 4 is going to be released quite soon, too (within the next few weeks). Is there any way to get an evaluation version? It seems you have top patch your kernel as well which seems extreme. Was it easy? They used to offer evaluation versions, but not any more. Oh well. The kernel patch isn't too bad, but hey, I regularly patch my kernels, so I don't find it to be a big deal. They do keep up with the latest kernel versions quite well, typically releasing patches a day or two after the kernel comes out. (No dice if you're running 2.5, though.) One thing to note is that their kernel patches are not compatible with a lot of the more intrusive kernel patches, like rmap and preempt. It does co-exist nicely with the low-latency patches though, which works very well for a desktop system. Even with all these problems, I still recommend it fanatically. I've managed to convert over a few people from Windows to Linux, and they now use Linux exclusively, which would not be possible without Win4Lin. (Yeah, I know that sounds contradictory, but you know what I mean :). Being able to run Windows apps reliably and quickly from Linux when you need to is a godsend. -- #ozone/algorithm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - trust.in.love.to.save -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin (Was: Re: wine)
On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 17:32, Andre Pang wrote: I mostly run Word, Excel and Paint Shop Pro 7 under it. Hardly demanding applications, but they work well. Don't expect it to Word and Excel are basically the only things needed to ensure 100% compatibility with my wife's workplace (sorry, don't feel like trying to push/evangelize other stuff e.g. StarOffice at this stage :-) Like it or not, Word is so widely used and sometime you don't have time to stuff around with file conversions. Truly memory-intensive beasts (e.g. Photoshop) will have no fun under Win4Lin, though. Version 4 may change that, if you're really lucky. The Gimp is more than adequate for me there. Thanks for the info. -- * * Simon Wong* * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[SLUG] Win4Lin (v2) Serial Ports - Not working
Hi Sluggers. Anyone got there Win4Lin serial ports (com1 com2) working correctly. I loaded win98 but I find that the hyperterm.DLL is missing (I suspect it is erased by Win4Lin and replaced by the Win4Lin driver - Can someone confirm this please). What serial program under Win4Lin are you using successfully and where can I get a copy. Thanks Grahame -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] win4lin + reiserfs = ok
hello, i was doing a search on google about reiserfs and win4lin and noticed that somebody (Jim Clark?) was trying to do it without success. report: win4lin 3.0 + kernel 2.4.4 + reiserfs works perfectly. i even munged it to work properly on a Debian system :). i'll put up a webpage about it sometime soon if i get enough replies to this message asking about it ... -- #ozone/algorithm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - trust.in.love.to.save -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin + reiserfs = ok
Andre Pang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hello, i was doing a search on google about reiserfs and win4lin and noticed that somebody (Jim Clark?) was trying to do it without success. report: win4lin 3.0 + kernel 2.4.4 + reiserfs works perfectly. i even munged it to work properly on a Debian system :). i'll put up a webpage about it sometime soon if i get enough replies to this message asking about it ... FWIW, I'd be interested to see how it can be installed under Debian... -- :%s/[Ll]inux/GNU\/Linux/g -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin + reiserfs = ok
...and then Raoul Golan said: Andre Pang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: report: win4lin 3.0 + kernel 2.4.4 + reiserfs works perfectly. i even munged it to work properly on a Debian system :). i'll put up a webpage about it sometime soon if i get enough replies to this message asking about it ... FWIW, I'd be interested to see how it can be installed under Debian... For a while, Trelos^H^H^H^H^H^HNetraverse were releasing Win4Lin as Debian packages, but they stopped when Win4Lin2 was officially released. This is no great loss. The .debs were just a quick conversion; they installed into /opt, and behaved exactly as the rpm packages did. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bravd became aware that he had fumbled the initiative. (Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin + reiserfs = ok
On 02 Jul 2001 20:12:21 +1000, Andre Pang wrote: hello, i was doing a search on google about reiserfs and win4lin and noticed that somebody (Jim Clark?) was trying to do it without success. That was probably me :) Way back in the win4lin 1.0 days, win4lin would not work on resierfs partitions. I eventually got around to tracing the problem, and hacking a workaround in the reiser statfs function. This is no longer required, as version 2 and 3 work properly. -- Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin 2.0.2 - Dedicating LPT port
Hi Sluggers. I got Win4Lin at the Linux Expo from Everythinglinux.com.au and it run OK. However, I am now wishing to run my JazzPiper (MP3 player) under Win4Lin and it needs the parallel port dedicated to Win4Lin rather than Linux. I looked through the manuals and played with the Win4Lin Admin stuff without success. Anthony - I know you have a JazzPiper too, so I would appreciate any assistance. Anyone out there in Linux land had success making the lpt port (ecc+epp) available to Win4Lin ? If so, how. Much thanks, Grahame. PS: For those of you interested the Win4LIn Server trial version is currently available for evaluation. Win4Lin - 25 seats off the one server - in a nutshell. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin 2.0.2 - Dedicating LPT port
Grahame Kelly wrote: Hi Sluggers. I got Win4Lin at the Linux Expo from Everythinglinux.com.au and it run OK. Can anyone tell me what the major advantages over 1.x are? I think I'm still running 1.0 (as I type) and it ain't broken ... why should I fix it? ++-- Del | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Christchurch, New Zealand ++-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin, Kernel 2.4.x
Morning all, It is with much pain and gnashing of teeth that I install Windows on my Linux box, and I'm trying to avoid any more. I don't want to go back to the 2.2.x series... :) Has anyone found or made a patch to 2.4.x for Win4Lin? Netraverse sure don't have one so far. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- If Perl is gaffer, and Python Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin 2 on Debian
Hi all, I find myself in a state of Free Software lock-in. :) It's all my damn fault for needing to use proprietary software to emulate proprietary software on a Free Software platform, but hopefully a solution will arise. Looking through the SLUG archives, there were lots of emails around the time of Win4Lin 1.0 mentioning the availability of Corel debs, but no such luck this time. Just a bunch of kernel patches, and an RPM. I'm not quite one with Alien yet, so if anyone has installed Win4Lin 2 and got it going, I'd love to hear the method before madness ensues. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Everyone says they like Free Software - not everyone is ready to make the tough choices to make it happen." - Maciej Stachowiak, GNOME Hacker -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin problem
The school where SHMBO teaches has decided to replace WordPerfect with Office 2000 so I am trying to install it under Win4Lin. The computer is running SuSE 6.4 with a Win4Lin kernel. The hard drive has just 4 primary partitions:- /dev/hda1 is a DOS partition of about 30MB (not mounted under linux) /dev/hda2 is a small linux partition /boot /dev/hda3 is the linux swap partition /dev/hda4 is the main linux partition / there is a 3.5" floppy drive and the CDROM is a slave on the second ide controller i.e. /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/hdd. There is currently no hard drive connected as a slave to the first ide controller or as a master on the second. I have installed Windows95 (OSR2) under Win4Lin and now want to install some of Office 2000 but the CDROM seems to be unavailable. Windows Explorer shows an A:\, B:\, C:\, J:\ and N:\ drive but if you click on the CDROM (N:\) you get a dialog box which says "N:\ is not accessible The device is not ready" This is similar to the message you get if you try to access the (non existant) B:\ drive. The result is the same whether the CDROM is mounted or unmounted under linux. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this? TIA, Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin problem
I have installed Windows95 (OSR2) under Win4Lin and now want to install some of Office 2000 but the CDROM seems to be unavailable. Windows Explorer shows an A:\, B:\, C:\, J:\ and N:\ drive but if you click on the CDROM (N:\) you get a dialog box which says "N:\ is not accessible The device is not ready" This is similar to the message you get if you try to access the (non existant) B:\ drive. The result is the same whether the CDROM is mounted or unmounted under linux. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this? Check perms on your cdrom device make sure the user running win4lin can read the cdrom device. mouting it makes no difference in win4lin basically windoze is reading from the almost raw device Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Win4Lin problem
The school where SHMBO teaches has decided to replace WordPerfect with Office 2000 so I am trying to install it under Win4Lin. CDROM problems aside, i'm pretty sure office2k requires IE5 or at least most of it. Can win4lin handle that? If it can, im sold :) dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin problem
On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:18:41PM +1000, Dave Kempe wrote: The school where SHMBO teaches has decided to replace WordPerfect with Office 2000 so I am trying to install it under Win4Lin. CDROM problems aside, i'm pretty sure office2k requires IE5 or at least most of it. Can win4lin handle that? If it can, im sold :) Yep! We're running IE5.something-or-other with Win95 in Win4Lin here. The GF needs it for an online training program that relies on Windows-only plugins. Cheers, Peter PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin on RH6.2
Peter Rundle wrote: Sluggers, Has anyone managed to get Win4Lin running on RH6.2? There isn't a kernel for 6.2 on the CD so I tried to roll my own following the patch guidelines. When I did make menuconfig the Trelos support came up and I selected it. The kernel made ok, and I booted off it. However NFS failed to start and when I then tried to install win4lin it said I wasn't running a win4lin supported kernel. Weird !!! Trelos used to have prebuilt kernels available for download, they don't appear to be at their new web site. Contact me privately if you want me to send the one a downloaded when purchased win4lin. Regards Mehmet Ozdemir -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin on RH6.2
Sluggers, Has anyone managed to get Win4Lin running on RH6.2? There isn't a kernel for 6.2 on the CD so I tried to roll my own following the patch guidelines. When I did make menuconfig the Trelos support came up and I selected it. The kernel made ok, and I booted off it. However NFS failed to start and when I then tried to install win4lin it said I wasn't running a win4lin supported kernel. Where should I start looking to find out why NFS is stuffed in this kernel. (NFS came back fine when I rebooted back to my standard kernel). How can I tell when I have a successfully applied the win4lin patch? (Is soemthing listed in /proc ?) How can a be sure that my .config file matches my current kernel? (I.E Check that I can build my own kernel that exactly matches the delivered one and supports NFS before trying the win4lin patch). I running just a standard RH6.2, I.e 2.2.14-5.0, kernel. Even though I only have a single processor I fairly sure it's loaded the smp version (Ich habe grossen RAM ;-) Many TIA's Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win4Lin error general warning
If anyone is using the Win4Lin 1.0.4-eval version be aware that you're going to probably get a nasty mysterious error related to things flicking over to October. Apparently there was a bug in the eval time limit which meant rather than lasting for 15 days the program crapped out on Sept 30th. Good eh? Trelos has replacement files available. Better yet, purchase the program rather than running the eval. :) Cheers, Graeme -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin
On 25 Sep, 2000 - 16:26:11, Bill Hiley wrote: For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc I have been using Win4Lin for a few months now, and since getting it, I have not had to boot into windows at all - it is a _great_ product. It uses a lot less resources than the VMWare solution, and if you only require windows to be compatible with office productivity software (MS Office, Quicken/Quickbooks, etc), then I would say it is the ideal solution. It is stable, it uses Linux OS resources, filesystems, and integrates very well with Linux. Currently, Win4Lin will not help you if you want Sound or DirectX support (v2.0, now in Beta testing, solves the sound support issue however). At around $80, it is an absolute bargain. -- Cheers, Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] win4lin
Hi, I have just been playing with VMware Eval License and I found it realy easy to install and doco was great as well. However, despite 700Mhz and 128MB, I find the performance quite bad. Lots of jerkiness especially during disk intensive operation. Maybe it's not quite correctly tweaked yet, but I will have another go anyway. However I also had a go at Win4Lin a while ago and found that quite easy to install as well (except for the Kernel patch) and performance was definitely better. However no networking at that stage (Is there networking support now?). Price for VMware is also high at US$299! ~A$550 and you also need your windows license. So you will need to consider what you want to do. If you are steering away from MS you might be better off with WIN4LIN, but if you need full support of Windows (perhaps even 2000 and NT, which supported by VM, but not yet by WIN4LIN) go for VMware. Evaluate them both. They let you download for free. Bernhard Lüder ICQ 26070583 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Hiley Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:26 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [SLUG] win4lin For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc Thanks - Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] win4lin
Maybe you havent tweaked your virtual machine. I think by default it selects 1/3 of your ram by default for the VM, although I could be very wrong. Networking definately works, and 128 meg is bare minimum I'd consider running VMware. As for the jerkiness during intensive disk operation, make sure you have loaded the VMware Display drivers which increase the refresh rate in X / Windows in the VM by 300%. You can also try providing the VM with more RAM to move. Might be an idea to watch the CPU Utilisation when your machine slows to see what is causing it. Hope this helps --Stephen -Original Message- From: Bernhard Lüder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:53 PM To: 'Bill Hiley'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] win4lin Hi, I have just been playing with VMware Eval License and I found it realy easy to install and doco was great as well. However, despite 700Mhz and 128MB, I find the performance quite bad. Lots of jerkiness especially during disk intensive operation. Maybe it's not quite correctly tweaked yet, but I will have another go anyway. However I also had a go at Win4Lin a while ago and found that quite easy to install as well (except for the Kernel patch) and performance was definitely better. However no networking at that stage (Is there networking support now?). Price for VMware is also high at US$299! ~A$550 and you also need your windows license. So you will need to consider what you want to do. If you are steering away from MS you might be better off with WIN4LIN, but if you need full support of Windows (perhaps even 2000 and NT, which supported by VM, but not yet by WIN4LIN) go for VMware. Evaluate them both. They let you download for free. Bernhard Lüder ICQ 26070583 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin (vs VMware)
despite 700Mhz and 128MB, I find the performance quite bad. I'm running VMWare on a 200MHz Pentium Pro with 128M of RAM at home. This installation is just acceptable (the virtual Machine is running NT with Oracle and a CAD application). I used to run this app native on a Pentium 90Mhz 64Mb, and at a rough guess I'd say the 200Mhz virtual machine was 1.5 to 2 times faster. At work I have a 500Mhz PIII and 256Mb of RAM. Originally this machine also only had 128mb and increasing the Ram to 256 made a huge difference. I can run two VM sessions on this box concurrently and it's quite acceptable. You absolutely must install the vmware-toolbox otherwise performance is crap. I have also run VMware via an X-term (linux terminal server project) and the performance is fine (though initially I thought it was unusable until I got the X-term's mouse configured correctly). Unfortunately VMware won't go into full screen on a remote X-term. I've installed the following OSes into a virtual machine, NT, 98, Redhat (6.1,6.2,6.9), Mandrake 7.1. All worked fine. Whenever I'm trying something that looks a bit sus, I install it into a virtual machine (usually make a copy of the .dsk file first). This way if it craps my machine I just blow the .dsk away and go back to the original. I installed the Linux Terminal server stuff this way, (not that I don't trust you Ken :-), but it worked just fine. I usually run my virtual machines via esddsp vmware /dir/to/config/machine.cfg I this way you get sound in the virtual machine without locking your sound device. I also understand that if you have a dual boot environment, you can config VMware to run the other OS from the actual disk rather than installing in a virtual disk, I've never tried this but sounds very interesting... rgds Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin (vs VMware)
Peter Rundle wrote: I also understand that if you have a dual boot environment, you can config VMware to run the other OS from the actual disk rather than installing in a virtual disk, I've never tried this but sounds very interesting... I did this with the VMWare version 1 demo. Worked really nicely... It's kind of like running a laptop with a dock - you have a hardware setup for running Windows normally, and another for when you run it under VMWare. Forget what these are called now, but they worked well enough. I think I had a PII and 64mb RAM at that stage... 128 works well, 256 is just to rub other's noses in it. ;) If you need to use Really Proper Windows, and want quick access sometimes, this is great - and you can do way more cool stuff with VMWare because it emulates an entire machine. Feel like trying HURD? EROS? One of the BSD's? Go for it, and no fuss. :) Tinkerers will dig VMWare, people who have to Do Serious Work and Don't Have Chunky Hardware will like Win4Lin. I have to say though (in the interests of topic-correctness and such) that I removed my Windows partitions over the weekend in the process of swapping hard drives. I partitioned in such a way that installing Windows again would be a PITA. - Jeff (sans Borg) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:26:11PM +1100, Bill Hiley wrote: For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc I'm a hoppy user of Win4Lin. It is a bit of a drag with kernel patches and that sort of thing. Last time I looked a win4lin-v1 2.2.17 patch was not available. It's good if all you want to do is run Win98 or Win95 for using some apps - which is all I need it for. VMware is good if you need yo utilise more heavy duty features of windows of you need to emulate an entire machine or install another OS as Win4Lin only does Windows9x. iI also found VMware quite sluggish on my machine. Since I only need to use a few apps Win4Lin does me fine and it boots pretty damn fast. Th eprice is better to. My only problem with it is some wierd video problems but I can live with it. Cheers, Graeme -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 12:27:51PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only problem with it is some wierd video problems but I can live with it. you would not be referring to lack of display refresh in XFree86 V4.0 ? I had this problem until a friend suggested setting the BackingStore option in the config - which fixed the problem nicely. That's a mighty fine question. I'll have a look and see. If it sures the problem I shall be most gratefuil. Graeme -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] win4lin
For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc Thanks - Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] win4lin
For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc I've used Win4Lin, and wine, but i have no experience with vmware. What apps did you need to run ? Win4Lin is easy to install ( apart from a kernel patch), and it runs really well. Last version iplayed with didn;t do sound, directX or WfWG networking. Wine does do direct X, and sound, and by extension games :) But for general use, i found win4lin to work better. However win4lin does require a windows license to use, and you effectivly run windows next to linux, so you are actually running windows. Wine doesn't require a copy of windows to work. Try wine, if it works problem solved, if it doens't then try win4lin. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin on reiserfs partitions
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:03:29PM +1100, Jim Clark wrote: specifically, it is failing in the mkimg stage of the install. trace reveals that it is doing a statfs(). If anyone knows of more relevant lists to post this to (I havn't gone searching yet), could you please let me know, or forward this info on. Linux-kernel mailing list would be the place. There is a archive here: http://www.progressive-comp.com/Lists/ This might interest you: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=95954485119513w=2 ReiserFS 3.6.7 is available at http://www.devlinux.com/namesys Fixes a timestamp bug. statfs now sets f_ffree and f_files both -1 (as man 2 statfs promises) (thanks to Sami Farin for finding that) -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
