[SLUG] data centers

2006-04-05 Thread Del


To take another Dean Hamstead thread back to the list:


If you have problems with you SAN drivers in redhat, perhaps you should
be calling redhat or your vendor - not asking on slug.


(a) SLUG stands for Sydney Linux Users Group.  I don't see anything
in the title that implies Sydney Linux non-data-center Users Group.

(b) If you call Red Hat or your SAN vendor you will get a very biased
view point.  The usual response is well, buy our X product and we will
sell you some consulting time and you can pay us large numbers of
dollars and your problem may or may not be fixed.  There is no active
forum for data center Linux sysadmins to talk about what may or may not
be best practice for this sort of environment -- is satellite really
the way to go to manage a large number of Linux boxes in a data center
or would we be better off with Red Carpet or something?  Who uses Clariion
machines and what are the specs like vs the later EMC gear, and what
version of the Linux driver do you use in that kernel?  What's the best
JVM to use on Linux?

So (in the interests of improving SLUG) perhaps it's time for a data
centers mailing list @slug.org.au -- keep it vendor neutral and get
some of the folks working in the larger data centers involved.  A possible
new source of SLUG members, and maybe some of the slug regulars might
learn a thing or two, even if only off the list archives?

I'd be happy to moderate/admin.

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Re: [SLUG] data centers

2006-04-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Del

 So (in the interests of improving SLUG) perhaps it's time for a data
 centers mailing list @slug.org.au

I think that's an extremely awkward 'first topic split' for SLUG. It was a
tough call to split off the chat list a few years back, but ultimately I
think that was successful. If we were to start splitting off topic-specific
lists, I can think of a few broader topics which would make *vastly* more
sense (and be less risky) than 'data centre'.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] data centers

2006-04-05 Thread Del

Jeff Waugh wrote:

quote who=Del


So (in the interests of improving SLUG) perhaps it's time for a data
centers mailing list @slug.org.au



I think that's an extremely awkward 'first topic split' for SLUG. It was a
tough call to split off the chat list a few years back, but ultimately I
think that was successful. If we were to start splitting off topic-specific
lists, I can think of a few broader topics which would make *vastly* more
sense (and be less risky) than 'data centre'.


In retrospect I agree, but perhaps it's something we can consider down the
track, once the other topic lists are up and running and successful.

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Re: [SLUG] data centers

2006-04-05 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Del wrote:
So (in the interests of improving SLUG) perhaps it's time for a data
centers mailing list @slug.org.au -- keep it vendor neutral and get
some of the folks working in the larger data centers involved.  A possible
new source of SLUG members, and maybe some of the slug regulars might
learn a thing or two, even if only off the list archives?

I'm not in favour of splitting a DC only or a newbies list; diluting this
list makes it less useful.  Keeping us debian zealots in check once ina
while is a far more acceptable solution, IMHO.
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Re: [SLUG] data centers

2006-04-05 Thread Peter Chubb
 del == del  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

del To take another Dean Hamstead thread back to the list:

 If you have problems with you SAN drivers in redhat, perhaps you
 should be calling redhat or your vendor - not asking on slug.

del (a) SLUG stands for Sydney Linux Users Group.  I don't see
del anything in the title that implies Sydney Linux non-data-center
del Users Group.

Or non-HPC-users users group.  HPC has very similar issues to
Data-Centre; most places are using ROCKS or similar which is redhat
based, or SLES on the large NUMA machines.  

My experience is that vendors use Debian unstable in their research
environment, and ship RedHat or Suse to their customers --- because
they need the flexibility in house, and the stability and extra
features that come with the more commercially oriented distros
for their customers.  SAN is a case in point; cluster management, 
performance management, and capacity planning tools are another.
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Re: [SLUG] data centers

2006-04-05 Thread Terry Collins
Jeff Waugh wrote:
 I can think of a few broader topics which would make *vastly* more
 sense (and be less risky) than 'data centre'.

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