Re: [SLUG] Welcome to the Movieglobe Mailing List

2003-03-22 Thread Peter Hardy
Hi!

On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:33:21 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You have been added to the list.

Wow, neat trick.

I've unsubbed the list, and added a couple of mailman filters.  That's
another list manager we're silently ignoring mail from.

The amusing and entertaining character(s) who were connecting from
203.134.131.199 and 203.51.76.146 at around 10:23 and and 10:33 last
night should consider the existance of, for example, X-IPAddy: headers
in subscription emails before they try again.

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RE: [SLUG] Welcome to the Movieglobe Mailing List

2003-03-22 Thread Jon Biddell
=Wow, neat trick.
=
=I've unsubbed the list, and added a couple of mailman 
=filters.  That's another list manager we're silently ignoring 
=mail from.

Which is a prime example of why the list should be changed to
subscribers only can post - it would LESSEN the workload on our
overworked list admins...:-)

Jon

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Re: [SLUG] Welcome to the Movieglobe Mailing List

2003-03-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jon Biddell

 Which is a prime example of why the list should be changed to subscribers
 only can post - it would LESSEN the workload on our overworked list
 admins...:-)

I disagree - not only is this a bad example of the point, but changing the
list to subscribers-only would not lessen the administrative workload.

It's a bad example because it's exactly the sort of activity that would get
around the subscriber-only restriction. If a spammer subscribes, then
there's nothing stopping them from posting.

It will not necessarily lessen the admin workload because not only will we
have bad mail to moderate (currently stuff caught by the internal Mailman
spam filter, the SpamAssassin plugin, the many regexp filters that we have
built up over time, size and recipient restrictions, our MTA restrictions,
etc), but we will have good mail to moderate (people posting with alternate
addresses, genuine non-subscriber posts, etc). So, I doubt that would double
the workload, but it would certainly increase it.

There are also many positive reasons to keep the list open to non-subscriber
open posting, which have been hashed over time and time again.

We get *very* little spam compared to other lists, and every time this comes
up, the general consensus concludes that it's far more effective to squeeze
out the little spam we do get through ever-improving methods, than it would
be to crank up the work involved (and reduce the 'nice-ness' of how the list
works) in perpetuity.

There's no 'hard' list policy, and there's definitely scope for change in
the future, but right now we're doing really well... I can't see much reason
to change.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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RE: [SLUG] Welcome to the Movieglobe Mailing List

2003-03-22 Thread Adam W
 quote who=Jon Biddell
 
  Which is a prime example of why the list should be changed to 
  subscribers only can post - it would LESSEN the workload on our 
  overworked list
  admins...:-)
 
 I disagree - not only is this a bad example of the point, but 
 changing the list to subscribers-only would not lessen the 
 administrative workload.
 
 It's a bad example because it's exactly the sort of activity 
 that would get around the subscriber-only restriction. If a 
 spammer subscribes, then there's nothing stopping them from posting.

I can see your point in one respect - but if they do subscribe, admins
CAN kick them off and we don't get the mail.

Yes I know this adds more work for the admins - you're right about that.

Yeah its not all that much - but none is better than a little I guess.

So I guess I disagree and agree! :) That's my 2c... Its not worth that
much tho!

AW.

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