RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
As one of those lucky ones, all this talk is making me wonder where its possible to stipulate adsl compatible exchange as one of the lease agreements, so you can back out if its not available. Rob T -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 12:19 AM To: Terry Collins Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk not to mention that some city slickers are still on either pairgains or rihms and either of them won't get ya adsl either -- Shaun Oliver * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Oscar Plameras wrote: You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Running 802.11b doesn;t, necessarily. However, running 802.11b _and_ sharing internet data over it very likely may require one. http://www.aca.gov.au/aca_home/licensing/radcomm/about_radcomms_licensing/wlans.htm Read carefully - I know of a number of companies who got caught out by this one. Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate control, etc.? No - but they're single ended controls - they're not sharing data. Different class. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
You could have a look or talk to someone from flow communication. I was at a corporate golf day with one of the guys from flow, who says that telstra is forcing people to use either dial-up or ISDN as they are the most profitable connection points for Telstra. Apparently Flow is implementing ADSL between Campbelltown and Camden. If you are in the Narellan area you will be in luck shortly. If flow can implement ADSL in one area that doesn't have it then anything is possible. I download on a 56K modem. The mail takes a small amount of time to download, [EMAIL PROTECTED] all. One month, my family downloaded 3.2G (total traffic), which must be approaching the theoretical limit. Connected almost full time, sitting behind a IPCop f/w. Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL. All country options to 56K are too expensive, including ISDN, which currently has a 30c/hr connect fee, which I think is discrimination cf ADSL. Moaning Null, regards Doug -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate control, etc.? The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between two entities Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes and had NAC (not a clue). And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with a clue. Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics ? The attitude should be that I'm not discouraged just because someone tells me it is not possible. Ive seen it done indeed why cant you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
This is the last I will have to say on this topic. Why can't we let people test the waters before subscribing to this wonderful knowledge base. Then it is up to the person to subscribe. We will never get rid of 100% of spam. My question is as linux users and members of the list why don't you implement anti spam software? Stopping spam should be the responsibility of the recipient. As Linux user group members we should be capable of implementing technology available to us. :) Richard, I have been suggesting a member only posting list for at least a year, and was always shot down in flames by Jeff, saying that the members didn't want it. What I propose is that we have an anyone can read, only members can post list - if people who are reading the list can't be bothered joining to be able to post, then I question the necessity of having them post at all. Flames /dev/null Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= The problem with this rational is that you did recieve them -= and pay for -= the bandwidth. -= -= They should be filtered before the listserver. -= -= Or better yet --- member only. -= -= Richard. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:33, Ben de Luca wrote: You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate control, etc.? The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between two entities IIRC, you actually only when it's commercial activity and the user is paying for to be able to send or recive data that goes outside the wireless network they are on. Eg,. Paying for internet access over wifi - requires license. Paying for use of a wifi network, which only allows VoIP access to other members on there network - No license needed. -Karl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Ben de Luca wrote:
The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license
if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between
two entities
I think we agree on intent. I just decided it was easier to do my own
thing rather than bother with any of the wireless groups/lists where you
were continually harrassed for suggesting anything like this.
...snip.
And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10
metre
mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl)
with
a clue.
Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics
?
1) Permission from council. Have you ever tried to get a council
engineer to think outside the square. Most councils have regs stating
maximum height is 3m above roof top.
2) Cost. Two mates with clear line of sight on unit balconies is one
thing, but two houses suburbs apart in the burbs presents major problems
in many locations. And I would much rather spend that money on other
things in life.
3) The technicals are a piece of cake.
Ive seen it done indeed why cant you?
Hey, we have a site that give good access over most of Campbelltown City
LGA, but we just can not afford the $20K per month tower access fee.
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Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
not to mention that some city slickers are still on either pairgains or rihms and either of them won't get ya adsl either -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Terry, what about broadband WiFi ? Would you be interested ?
A trial system is being installed at the moment in my area (I will be
one of the neighborhood POP's which, if successful, will be offered to
people in Campbelltown and Central Cost areas as well...
They are also going to expand into VoIP !!!
Hasta la Vista, Telstra !
Jon
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-= doug foskey wrote:
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-= Most people in the city can not get ADSL either.
-= a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
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Re: [SLUG] Yuk
at the risk of being helpful, John Clarke delivered up the following on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 12:16:08PM +1000, On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:10:00AM +1000, Richard Ames wrote: They should be filtered before the listserver. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that makes it through the list filters. Something like 99% or more of spam *is* stopped at the list server, thanks to the efforts of the admins. The list admins, all unpaid volunteers, do a great job and should not have to listen to whiny gits who can't be bothered running their own spam filter and expect someone else to protect them. Or better yet --- member only. We've had this discussion too. It's not going to happen. You asked for this a couple of weeks ago and were told so then, what makes you think the answer's going to be any different this time? HERE HERE!! john, we may not have agreed on a couple of things a week or so ago but, is not the idea of Linux to a point total and utter customisability in as much as you can do wtf u need to be able to suit your purpose? at least that in part is what I thought running Linux was about, look quit bitching about the spam, personally, if someone wants to send spam about someone blowing a horse or some other sick crap like that there's an interesting function you should read about. it's called delete. christ sakes people, couple extra key strokes or a click of a mouse and a press of a key and it's gone. best fucken spam filter around. -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
Boys boys boys!!! John was only expressing his dislike for such spams... I'm sure he appreciates the efforts of the admins as much as the rest of us do... he didn't exactly go overboard, nor abuse anyone... basically asking if there was anything being done to solve the problem, with a hint of disgust at the content... He now has his answer that yes, things are being done and are 99% successful - no need to bite back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shaun Oliver Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 11:48 PM To: John Clarke Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yuk at the risk of being helpful, John Clarke delivered up the following on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 12:16:08PM +1000, On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:10:00AM +1000, Richard Ames wrote: They should be filtered before the listserver. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that makes it through the list filters. Something like 99% or more of spam *is* stopped at the list server, thanks to the efforts of the admins. The list admins, all unpaid volunteers, do a great job and should not have to listen to whiny gits who can't be bothered running their own spam filter and expect someone else to protect them. Or better yet --- member only. We've had this discussion too. It's not going to happen. You asked for this a couple of weeks ago and were told so then, what makes you think the answer's going to be any different this time? HERE HERE!! john, we may not have agreed on a couple of things a week or so ago but, is not the idea of Linux to a point total and utter customisability in as much as you can do wtf u need to be able to suit your purpose? at least that in part is what I thought running Linux was about, look quit bitching about the spam, personally, if someone wants to send spam about someone blowing a horse or some other sick crap like that there's an interesting function you should read about. it's called delete. christ sakes people, couple extra key strokes or a click of a mouse and a press of a key and it's gone. best fucken spam filter around. -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
ah. I see what's happened here, and that's partly my fault. my email wasn't directed at john entirely. whilst I agreed with what he had to say, the rest of the content was directed at those who complained about the spam in the first place. so that was my mistake for not differentiating the 2. my apologies -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 05:35:10PM -0700, Jared Pritchard wrote: John was only expressing his dislike for such spams... Now go back and READ THE ENTIRE THREAD. Do you see where you went wrong? If not, go back and READ IT AGAIN. Repeat as many times as necessary. I DID NOT complain about the spam. John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key id: 0xD59C360F http://kirriwa.net/john/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
Richard, I have been suggesting a member only posting list for at least a year, and was always shot down in flames by Jeff, saying that the members didn't want it. What I propose is that we have an anyone can read, only members can post list - if people who are reading the list can't be bothered joining to be able to post, then I question the necessity of having them post at all. Flames /dev/null Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= The problem with this rational is that you did recieve them -= and pay for -= the bandwidth. -= -= They should be filtered before the listserver. -= -= Or better yet --- member only. -= -= Richard. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
-= All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that -= makes it through the list filters. Something like 99% or -= more of spam *is* stopped at the list server, thanks to the -= efforts of the admins. -= -= The list admins, all unpaid volunteers, do a great job and -= should not have to listen to whiny gits who can't be -= bothered running their own spam filter and expect someone -= else to protect them. I beg your pardon ? Tiny ? Well, if you call 50+ in the last two weeks tiny, I guess that's so... Anyway, who made you the bloody mailing list police ? Some of us whiny gits, as you so eloquently put it, have to PAY for the data we download over piss-poor 56k dial-up connections. Not EVERYONE has the luxury of ADSL or CABLE. I get more spam from this list than any other I'm on. John, sounds like you've been taking personality lessons from Jeff...:-) Try taking your head out of your ass for a change. -= -= Or better yet --- member only. -= -= We've had this discussion too. It's not going to happen. -= You asked for this a couple of weeks ago and were told so -= then, what makes you think the answer's going to be any -= different this time? Jeff's gone Yes, the admins are volunteers, and a members-only list would LESSEN the workload, not increase it. If you can't see that then maybe you should go back to Windows... You're obviously too THINK to use Linux ! Oh, before I forget; cat flames /dev/crapper Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Friday 26 September 2003 11:33 am, Jon Biddell wrote: Richard, I have been suggesting a member only posting list for at least a year, and was always shot down in flames by Jeff, saying that the members didn't want it. What I propose is that we have an anyone can read, only members can post list - if people who are reading the list can't be bothered joining to be able to post, then I question the necessity of having them post at all. Flames /dev/null Jon What about combining the two? - Just direct the public posts to a directory vetted by a volunteer, who then sends on to the private list. All non-relevant public posts are then trashed. If the same public posters are then posting often, they can be invited to join. (The vetting job could be rotated every few months, to be less onerous.) regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Friday 26 September 2003 03:12 pm, Jon Biddell wrote: -= All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that tiny, I guess that's so... Anyway, who made you the bloody mailing list police ? Some of us whiny gits, as you so eloquently put it, have to PAY for the data we download over piss-poor 56k dial-up connections. Not EVERYONE has the luxury of ADSL or CABLE. I download on a 56K modem. The mail takes a small amount of time to download, [EMAIL PROTECTED] all. One month, my family downloaded 3.2G (total traffic), which must be approaching the theoretical limit. Connected almost full time, sitting behind a IPCop f/w. Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL. All country options to 56K are too expensive, including ISDN, which currently has a 30c/hr connect fee, which I think is discrimination cf ADSL. Moaning Null, regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
doug foskey wrote:
Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL.
Most people in the city can not get ADSL either.
a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
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RE: [SLUG] Yuk
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:12, Jon Biddell wrote: I apologise for posting this to SLUG, but since I know Jon would 'accidentally' post it there when he responds anyway, it seemed worthwhile. John, sounds like you've been taking personality lessons from Jeff...:-) Try taking your head out of your ass for a change. Jon, please grow up. Jeff's gone Well, it looks like I lost that bet. I had it as 4 days before you made some snide remark about the departing committee members. One of the advantages at no longer being VP is that I can say what I think now. Put up or shut up. If you think SLUG was being run poorly, why not get up off your backside and nominate yourself to the committee? Do something about it, or is it more fun to sit there and moan about how other people do things? Yes, the admins are volunteers, and a members-only list would LESSEN the workload, not increase it. If you can't see that then maybe you should go back to Windows... You're obviously too THINK to use Linux ! If and when the list policy changes, I'm sure it will come from a consensus from the financial members. Details for actually becoming a financial member can be found here btw : http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html I would welcome such a vote, to put an end to the bi-weekly flamewars that seem to be occuring. I have no real feelings one way or the other, but I do feel that if the policy changes it should be down to full members to make the call. The committee do run all of SLUG, not just the mailing lists. It's not an easy job and it takes a lot of time. It's made a lot harder by the lack of understanding and support from the people on the list. If you don't like something on the list, you have a few options *) Change it yourself (Install spamassassin to catch the spams) *) Try to get enough support so that the list policy is changed *) Leave the list *) Live with it I don't see many people complaining about it. Yes there are a few SPAM and the ctte are working hard to resolve them. Moving to a closed list is being investigated and a number of good suggestions for improvements have been posted to the ctte list. Oh, before I forget; cat flames /dev/crapper http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=linux+advocacy+for+dummiesbtnG=Google+Searchmeta= Jon, you REALLY need to get out more. -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
doug foskey wrote: Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL. Most people in the city can not get ADSL either. a) Because they are too far from an exchange and b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable. How about making a little research and try WIRELESS. Check, http://www.nodedb.com/australia/nsw/sydney/ More and more hobbyist are only willing to share resources. Oscar Plameras http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/disclaimer.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
I think people have to realise (and I didn't really want to enter this thread but what the hell), that connecting to the Internet and mailing lists means you will get some spam, deal with it, if you want to be on SLUG live with the fact that unless you can do better (and step up) the admins are doing what they can, Every mailing list I've ever been on has these debates and they are mostly pointless and bandwidth wasting .. The ILUG (Irish LUG) has this at least once a year I'd say, and the policy is simple , if a list is to help new users, they should easily be able to post to it .. moderation is a bloody hassle, and unless someone is willing to stop complaining and volunteer their time to moderate the postings at a decent rate, some spam will get through, and thank God your not me, I get on average 100 Spams a day, 30-40 to /dev/null, 30-40 to my spam folder, and 10-20 to my INBOX, my current spam folder is over 5000 messages (anyone wanna train their bayes filter..) and that is since July (and I delete a few hundred when I'm bored at work).. Dave. On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Richard Ames wrote: The problem with this rational is that you did recieve them and pay for the bandwidth. They should be filtered before the listserver. Or better yet --- member only. Richard. On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Kevin Saenz wrote: Ok I just had a look in my spam folder. Implement spamassassin, then you may limit the amount of spam arriving in your mailbox :) I received two or three just yesterday via SLUG list cut -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Oscar Plameras wrote:
This is not a personal attack on anyone!
doug foskey wrote:
Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL.
Most people in the city can not get ADSL either.
a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
How about making a little research and try WIRELESS. Check,
http://www.nodedb.com/australia/nsw/sydney/
Yep, that is pretty good advice about research {;-).
We are talking 802.11b, which is 11 channels of 10Mb/sec stuff (on a
good, clear day) less that taken up by mobile base phones, toys,
garage door controllers, etc, etc, then divided by the population of
Sydney!
Dang that old 300 baud modem is starting to look really fast folks.
The limiting problem on wireless technology is to get the bandwidth for
everyone, you end up frying the user. Wireless works well in an open
office.
More and more hobbyist are only willing to share resources.
You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where
you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is
illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it.
Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the
t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with
people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes
and had NAC (not a clue).
And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre
mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with
a clue.
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Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Oscar Plameras wrote:
This is not a personal attack on anyone!
doug foskey wrote:
Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL.
Most people in the city can not get ADSL either.
a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
How about making a little research and try WIRELESS. Check,
http://www.nodedb.com/australia/nsw/sydney/
Yep, that is pretty good advice about research {;-).
We are talking 802.11b, which is 11 channels of 10Mb/sec stuff (on a
good, clear day) less that taken up by mobile base phones, toys,
garage door controllers, etc, etc, then divided by the population of
Sydney!
Do not channels ('or freeways on AIR') multiplexed ('or shared')
instead of dedicated ?
Dang that old 300 baud modem is starting to look really fast folks.
The limiting problem on wireless technology is to get the bandwidth for
everyone, you end up frying the user. Wireless works well in an open
office.
Because data and voice traffic multiplexed it is incorrect to assign
bandwidth on a one-to-one correspondence.
More and more hobbyist are only willing to share resources.
You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where
you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is
illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it.
Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says
operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ?
Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate
control, etc.?
Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the
t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with
people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes
and had NAC (not a clue).
And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre
mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with
a clue.
Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics ?
The attitude should be that I'm not discouraged just because someone
tells me it is not possible.
Oscar Plameras
http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/disclaimer.html
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Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Which ones, I haven't seen any. Please, someone tell us that there is something happening about these distasteful spam posts. Jonathan Kelly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
I received two or three just yesterday via SLUG list Brad Kevin Saenz wrote: Which ones, I haven't seen any. Please, someone tell us that there is something happening about these distasteful spam posts. Jonathan Kelly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:43:41AM +1000, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: I received two or three just yesterday via SLUG list AOL* - something about Lisa. cheers, Woody [*] Geek speek for Me, too Brad Kevin Saenz wrote: Which ones, I haven't seen any. Please, someone tell us that there is something happening about these distasteful spam posts. Jonathan Kelly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Woody -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Ok I just had a look in my spam folder. Implement spamassassin, then you may limit the amount of spam arriving in your mailbox :) I received two or three just yesterday via SLUG list Brad Kevin Saenz wrote: Which ones, I haven't seen any. Please, someone tell us that there is something happening about these distasteful spam posts. Jonathan Kelly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
The problem with this rational is that you did recieve them and pay for the bandwidth. They should be filtered before the listserver. Or better yet --- member only. Richard. On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Kevin Saenz wrote: Ok I just had a look in my spam folder. Implement spamassassin, then you may limit the amount of spam arriving in your mailbox :) I received two or three just yesterday via SLUG list cut -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 07:48, Anthony Wood wrote:
AOL* - something about Lisa.
Actually its AOL! acording to dict ;)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dict AOL
3 definitions found
From Jargon File (4.3.0, 30 APR 2001) [jargon]:
AOL! n. [Usenet] Common synonym for Me, too! alluding to the
legendary propensity of America Online users to utter contentless Me,
too! postings. The number of exclamation points following varies from
zero to five or so. The pseudo-HTML
AOLMe, too!/AOL
is also frequently seen. See also {September that never ended}.
SNIP
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Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:10:00AM +1000, Richard Ames wrote: They should be filtered before the listserver. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that makes it through the list filters. Something like 99% or more of spam *is* stopped at the list server, thanks to the efforts of the admins. The list admins, all unpaid volunteers, do a great job and should not have to listen to whiny gits who can't be bothered running their own spam filter and expect someone else to protect them. Or better yet --- member only. We've had this discussion too. It's not going to happen. You asked for this a couple of weeks ago and were told so then, what makes you think the answer's going to be any different this time? John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key id: 0xD59C360F http://kirriwa.net/john/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Yuk
All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that makes it through the list filters. Something like 99% or more of spam *is* stopped at the list server, thanks to the efforts of the admins. I agree. As soon as you see the title 9 time out of 10 you know what the content is. How hard is it to delete mail on it's title? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
