WOW! My "dad" Mr. Bob Lenard, is brand-new to "floater" type flying, but is an accomplished Laguna Niguel Slope-Nazi, and fully Sensei-trained...he kicked some MAJOR butt at, like, his second ever "floater"(TD) contest at SULA. He beat out 64 guys to come in second to Daryl Perkins, flying an "Addiction". Way to go dad! http://www.sc-2.org/ John Roe Laguna Hills, Ca www.martialartsacademy.org Beliefs can be manipulated, only knowledge is dangerous... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]