RE: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
I've been flying with a rubber ducky antenna for years. Best thing that happened to R/C technology since narrow band receivers and transmitters came out grin. I've been using them for years and no one will convince me otherwise. Sure there is a slight loss in range but not enough for me to go back to a fragile OEM telescoping antenna. Al Battad - AMA #506981 -Original Message- From: Ron Quintana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:41 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? Thanks, Ron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? An often asked question. The answer is: Yes. So far no one has made an aftermarket antenna that even equals the stock one. How much reduction? This is more difficult to answer. Generally speaking it's ~15 to 50%. Depending upon the unit chosen and the installation. Do you care? Even more difficult to answer. Many opinions on this. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
>>Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM > >>telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? > > An often asked question. The answer is: Yes. > So far no one has made an aftermarket antenna that even equals the stock > one.<< you've never used the JR base-loaded tx antenna then.. "type accepted" replacement for stock antennas.. skinnier, a bit longer, and a bit more expensive than the "rubber ducks" it works at least as well (concerning range) as the collapsible variety.. although built for JR I know of a couple stylus users that have had great results with this antenna as well. no endorsement of this practice here, just real world use.. Mike Stump -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
I appreciate your candor. But, I said aftermarket. If it's no shorter than stock what's the attraction? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
In a message dated 2/1/2006 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it's no shorter than stock what's the attraction? It's much shorter than stock, less than half, and flexible too. Used them exclusively for 12 years now. No problems even to almost OOS Bill G. Bill GrenobleLSF 7558 IVHawksnest SoaringShermans Dale, PA
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
It is shorter Bill, and yes the JR base-loaded antenna demonstrates significantly less gain (as does any base-loaded whip no matter who makes it) than an OEM telescoping unit...type-acceptance or not. Most folks seem to miss the point; as long as you range test and see similar results when compared to the OEM antenna, there should not be a problem other than some directivity with a whip. Directivity relates to the emanation of the signal in a specific direction, all whips offer the highest gain somewhere in line with the antenna element (a human standing holding the TX with the antenna parallel to the ground - the point of highest transmitted dbm is somewhere above this due to the GND plane). Where loss of range in this scenario comes into play is when something EMI/RFI-wise occurs to further reduce RF headroom at the RX. Using a (quality) base-loaded whip has indeed removed 15-20% (on average) headroom... Anyone with access to a spectrum analyzer, a network analyzer (look at return losses) or an anechoic chamber can compare and confirm for themselves... Bill Swingle wrote: I appreciate your candor. But, I said aftermarket. If it's no shorter than stock what's the attraction? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
If I am flying models that are relatively close in, like a slope model or some electrics I'll use a JR whip antenna. If I am flying at a contest with a lot of TX'es that are on, and we are flying TD with our models going to the limits of our vision either up or downwind or both, I will use the stock telescoping antenna for max signal strength. Easy to own both and change antennae back and forth as needed. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Thanks for the agreement Simon. I stand by what I've said many times: If it's shorter, it's worser. I've yet to see an exception, including the JR base loaded unit. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
At 01:07 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: Easy to own both and change antennae back and forth as needed. but completely not necessary... the JR base-loaded antenna has functioned at out of sight distances for many of us for years.. reliably.. with no extendo headaches.. I'll use nothing else.. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Dudemaster Stumper, did you receive the private emails I sent or am I still blocked by your ISP? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Not as easy as some may think to change back and forth with certain transmitter setups. For both my Multiplex Evo and my JR 9303, there is an adapter that you have to install internally and this allow for only the use of the aftermarket base loaded or rubber ducky/whip antenna. You would have to remove the adapter (which is installed inside the transmitter) to go back to the OEM setup. I know the Stylus transmitter OEM antenna and the Smiley rubber duck antenna is an easy swap. Aloha to all on RCSE. Al Battad - AMA #506981 -Original Message- From: Mike Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:10 AM To: James V. Bacus Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck At 01:07 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: Easy to own both and change antennae back and forth as needed. but completely not necessary... the JR base-loaded antenna has functioned at out of sight distances for many of us for years.. reliably.. with no extendo headaches.. I'll use nothing else.. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Not as easy as some may think to change back and forth with certain > transmitter setups. For both my Multiplex Evo and my JR 9303, there is an > adapter that you have to install internally and this allow for only the use > of the aftermarket base loaded or rubber ducky/whip antenna. You would have > to remove the adapter (which is installed inside the transmitter) to go back > to the OEM setup. > > I know the Stylus transmitter OEM antenna and the Smiley rubber duck antenna > is an easy swap. > > Aloha to all on RCSE. > > Al Battad - AMA #506981<< Al, the base of the JR antenna is threaded.. same threads as on the base of a regular antenna... the adapter just uses threads (male & female) like the stock antennae from most manufacturers.. really not much of a problem.. I remove my base-loaded antenna after each use for storage/transport.. -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com
RE: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
I used the JR base-loaded antenna on my MPX4000 when I had it and did not experience any problems...YMMV -Sheldon- From: Mike Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:32 AMTo: Bill SwingleCc: soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? An often asked question. The answer is: Yes. So far no one has made an aftermarket antenna that even equals the stock one.you've never used the JR base-loaded tx antenna then.. "type accepted" replacement for stock antennas.. skinnier, a bit longer, and a bit more expensive than the "rubber ducks" it works at least as well (concerning range) as the collapsible variety..although built for JR I know of a couple stylus users that have had great results with this antenna as well. no endorsement of this practice here, just real world use..Mike Stump-- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com
RE: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
The JR base-loaded antenna is quite a bit shorter than stock...Mine measures 22 OAL. -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: Bill Swingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:40 AM To: Mike Stump; RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck I appreciate your candor. But, I said aftermarket. If it's no shorter than stock what's the attraction? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? Thanks, Ron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
Why? It's just going to start a antenna wars all over again! Flame On!! Stay with stock antenna! you'll get way better range. I wasted my money on a Rubber Ducky antenna almost two ships! Just my two cents worth. Ready, Set, Attack. Enjoy. AL - Original Message - From: Ron Quintana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? Thanks, Ron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck
I have not used anything but a rubber duck for an antenna for at least fifteen years. I have never had a range problem or experienced any phenomena that would cause me to suspect the rubber duck antenna. Walt W5SWA From: Ron Quintana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Power/Rubber Duck Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:41:27 -0800 Anyone had any experience using these in place of the OEM telescoping antenna? Is the range loss significant? Thanks, Ron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
