Re: [SoaS] [support-gang] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results
Hi Luke, I was surprised as I had no recollection at all of the original email (subscribed to way too many Sugar related lists), but after some digging found it had been clobbered as junk email, so not sure who else this may have hit, but thought it worth mentioning. Regards, --Gary On 10 Jul 2011, at 23:45, Luke Faraone wrote: On 06/14/2011 05:42 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: This is a vote to determine the suggested license for future releases of Sugar. This poll will run from right now until Wed Jun 29 2011 at midnight UTC-4. Sorry for the late update; the reporting mechanism for our voting software temporarily broke. Summary: the winner was **GNU GPL version 3, or any later version**. ## Results Details ## 55 out of 217 eligible members voted, or a little more than ¼. The full results of this election ranked the candidates in order of preference (from most preferred to least preferred): 1. GNU GPL version 3, or any later version 2. GNU GPL version 2, or any later version 3. Don't know or don't care Each number in the table below shows how many times the candidate on the left beat the matching candidate on the top. The winner is on the top of the left column. v3 v2 DC v3-- 34 37 v221 -- 42 DC18 13 -- Based on a sheer count of 1st place votes, v3 received 49% of the vote, v2 received 29% of the vote, and the apathetic position received the remaining 22% of the vote. Full details (and alternative election method calculations) are visible at the Selectricity page linked in the original voting ticket email. Thanks, Luke Faraone Sugar Labs, Systems ✉: l...@sugarlabs.org I: lfaraone on irc.freenode.net ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [support-gang] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results
Hi Luke, On 11 Jul 2011, at 16:43, Luke Faraone wrote: On 07/10/2011 10:23 PM, Gary Martin wrote: I was surprised as I had no recollection at all of the original email (subscribed to way too many Sugar related lists), but after some digging found it had been clobbered as junk email, so not sure who else this may have hit, but thought it worth mentioning. Odd. Did you at least get the mail from Selectricity? Not that I was aware of, but I just did a search for selectricity and found a June 15th email [Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding)] Election Begun! again tagged as spam and unread. I'm using gmail, it usually does an excellent job with spam, so something's clearly triggered their filters. --Gary -- Luke Faraone Sugar Labs, Systems ✉: l...@sugarlabs.org I: lfaraone on irc.freenode.net ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] A heads up for the major changes that will appear in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5
Hi Peter, On 28 Dec 2010, at 21:17, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I just thought I would give people a heads up for changes that I'm aware of that are going to be appearing in Fedora 15 / SoaS 5. The big one will be gnome3/gtk3 plus the associated changes that will come with the required pygtk / gobject-introspection (Tomeu could you possibly fill out some of the impact of this?), I'm somewhat concerned about this actually but time will tell. This is the monstrous gaping maw of doom, from my perspective. Just about every Activity and much of the Sugar UI will break. Hopefully some of the fixes may be cookie cutter applied once we've worked through a few. It'll be a red flag day for all Activities, as once fixed up, they will be incompatible with past Sugar releases (up to now it has been largely possible for an Activity to run on all past Sugar releases). Tomeu mentioned the idea of a Sugar hackathon event of some kind to try and fix up as much as possible. Regards, --Gary Also on the cards is the following: - csound 5.12.1 (in rawhide now - please test) - systemd - new init startup - I don't this affects us directly in that we don't have any specific custom services that depend on it (although it might affect olpc) - /var/run and /var/lock mounted as tmpfs (likely no affect as the last one) - Replace setuid applications with File Capabilities in order to make them more secure (again I don't think anything will be affected) All the current approved Fedora 15 features can be found here [1] If anyone else knows of anything else that might affect the release, or if anyone has queries or more information to add please speak up. Regards, Peter [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:FeatureAcceptedF15 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] the final sprint to SoaS 4
On 15 Oct 2010, at 09:49, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, We're on the final sprint to SoaS v4 Adam Williamson has created some testing guidelines for Fedora QA for Sugar desktop testing. You can find details here [1] and feedback would be greatly appreciated so we can improve this for the Fedora 15 / SoaS v5 cycle. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Final_TC1_Desktop From the discussion (that I remember) that Simon, Thomas and I had the other night these were the issues we had: - Terminal issues - fixed with vte 0.26.1 release that will be in stable tomorrow - Physics issues - New version here please test https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-physics-7-1.fc14 - gnome-keyring issue. Not fixed yet. Helped wanted. I'm going to try and get time to look at this further today. - Read issue - Going to look at it today Looking through the rest of the list here [2] I'm not sure if there's anything else that's not specific to the XO hardware other than issues with Paint and Colors which I'm not sure what the status is. If there's anything else please speak up NOW!. So today's build (in fact last nights I think) should have the telepathy stuff. Can we please get testing and karma on the following please: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-physics-7-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-turtleart-100-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/etoys-4.1.2390-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-toolkit-0.90.2-1.fc14,sugar-0.90.3-1.fc14,sugar-browse-119-1.fc14 There is a known crash on exit on the new physics, I'm not sure of the state of a fix for this. FWIW, testing on an XO-1 with Simon's F14 based 0.90 os17.img I'm also seeing Browse terminate with a signal 6 when Stopped. Been testing other activities to see if there's a pattern but nothing else yet (Implode, Turtle Art, Memorize, Write, Speak, Moon, Maze, Calculate, Pippy, all correctly terminate with status 0) --Gary Peter ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Missing gettext dependency needed for localised activities
On 23 Sep 2010, at 08:49, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 09/21/2010 07:22 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 20 Sep 2010, at 11:30, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 09/18/2010 04:01 PM, Gary Martin wrote: On 18 Sep 2010, at 10:52, pbrobin...@gmail.compbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just wanted to email this ticket out and make sure the gettext package makes it into the Soas and Dextrose distros. Without it none of the activity po files will be built at bundle install time, thus failing to create the locale directory binary .mo files. Without this, activity translations will not work. This appears to be a break going back to at least Soas Mirabelle. Yep, it was dropped in Mirabelle because it pulled in horrific dependencies and when I asked about it I was told it was historical and that all the Activities should be pre-generating the translations and that they shouldn't generated on local install. Ouch, that is news to me, no wonder activity localization is broken. Can you point me to the thread/ticket/wiki with that discussion? Including the binary .mo locale files in the source and/or .xo bundles is, to the best of my knowledge, not the usual workflow for activity releases. When you use the sugar tools it should just work fine: ./setup.py dist_source will create a tarball with just the *.po files. Oooh, so it does, learn't something new today, thanks :) Excellent :) ./setup.py dist_xo will create the bundle with a locales folder that contains the .mo for the activity. Hmmm, now the question is does dist_xo build the locale folder and then make the bundle with it in, or do you have to manually build first before dist_xo? Thinking about it some more, whatever the case, without gettext I guess this still make Soas and Dextrose distributions broken for anyone hoping to do a little activity development/tinkering. I've just looked through a mix of past .xo releases of mine, some have locale directories and some don't (aargh!). I'm pretty sure I alway use ./setup.py dist_xo on an XO-1 running an official OLPC 0.82 or 0.84 to build my official .xo bundle releases. The code should do the right thing [1]. And from my testing it works fine as well. Not sure what might have went wrong on your end :/ Can you retry? Not sure yet, I'm still away from my flat, and the XO-1 (0.82) I usually do a final release from is up there, need to look through the ~/Activities directory to check the .xo bundle contents vs the directories I was using dist_xo from. FWIW, I've just gone through the 42 activities pre-installed in the 1dx2 Dextrose 2 International XO-1 image, these were activities with po translations that were missing a locale directory: Abacus-17 Calculate-33 Implode-9 Regard, --Gary Regards, Simon [1] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit/repos/mainline/blobs/sucrose-0.84/src/sugar/activity/bundlebuilder.py#line283 ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Missing gettext dependency needed for localised activities
Hi Luke, On 27 Sep 2010, at 15:06, Luke Faraone wrote: On 09/27/2010 08:29 AM, Gary Martin wrote: Thinking about it some more, whatever the case, without gettext I guess this still make Soas and Dextrose distributions broken for anyone hoping to do a little activity development/tinkering. Why can't they install the developer tools via yum? They could, but they may have a very poor internet connection and even a trivial first yum takes a while even with a reasonable broadband connection as it checks multiple servers and pulls 5-15Mb of content/index files before even getting to gettext downloads, and that is assuming they know gettext is what they need to yum install when ./setup.py build gives them a nasty traceback with no obvious pointers (I didn't know and I poke about with this stuff fairly frequently). Also they may have no internet connection at all, having installed Sugar from some fixed media via sneaker net. Regards, --Gary -- ╒═╕ │Luke Faraone ╭Debian / Ubuntu Developer╮│ │http://luke.faraone.cc╰Sugar Labs, Systems Admin╯│ │PGP: 5189 2A7D 16D0 49BB 046B DC77 9732 5DD8 F9FD D506 │ ╘═╛ ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Missing gettext dependency needed for localised activities
Hi Walter, On 27 Sep 2010, at 13:37, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: FWIW, I've just gone through the 42 activities pre-installed in the 1dx2 Dextrose 2 International XO-1 image, these were activities with po translations that were missing a locale directory: Abacus-17 In the case of Abacus, as far as I know, there are no po files, hence no locale directory. (There is a .pot file, but there have never been any translations committed.) Thanks, apologies for the red-herring, I was just looking through activities for po directories where no locale directory was present. --Gary -walter Calculate-33 Implode-9 Regard, --Gary Regards, Simon [1] http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit/repos/mainline/blobs/sucrose-0.84/src/sugar/activity/bundlebuilder.py#line283 ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Help testing new sugar packages in F14
On 18 Aug 2010, at 16:55, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 08/18/2010 11:52 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, to get the new Sugar release 0.90 [1] into shape and make it a stable release we want people to test the nightly Soas snapshots [2]. In order to get the new packaged tarballs into those builds they have to meet certain criteria first [3], hence we need people testing them. You can simply do this by getting the rpms from koji and install them into your latest soas snapshot and restart Sugar. What I do in short is: - open the Browse activity and go to http://koji.fedoraproject.org - search for the package (sugar, sugar-toolkit...) - click on the latest F14 version and then right-click on the download option of the 'noarch' rpm and choose 'copy link' from the palette (if you download directly it is stored in the Journal) - then open the terminal activity log in as root and you can copy in the address here using ctrl+shift+v or the edit tab in the toolbar - the command for updating the rpm is: 'rpm -U [name of rpm]' Once you tested the package you can comment on bodhi [4] about your findings and give karma points. If you have not done so yet, you should create a Fedora account [5], so your comments have a higher value. Why not start today? Here are some packages that would need your testing [6] [7]. Btw, there will be a Fedora testing day [8] this Thursday and we want to give a go on Sugar, too. More info to come. If you have questions please feel free to ask. I am as well on irc #sugar most of the day. Regards, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Roadmap#Schedule [2] http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/ [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_acceptance_criteria [4] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates [5] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/new?_csrf_token=88fb044408f6ad820284d0a7f38dc7731efb1808 [6] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-artwork-0.89.3-1.fc14,sugar-toolkit-0.89.3-1.fc14?_csrf_token=88fb044408f6ad820284d0a7f38dc7731efb1808 [7] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-toolkit-0.89.2-1.fc14,sugar-presence-service-0.90.0-1.fc14,sugar-0.89.3-1.fc14,sugar-base-0.90.0-1.fc14?_csrf_token=88fb044408f6ad820284d0a7f38dc7731efb1808 [8] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/108 Actually, you can use as well the updates testing repository to test new rpms. Completely forgot about that. yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update sugar sugar-toolkit... And Bernie pointed out that fedora-easy-karma [1] can be used for people who do not like to use web interfaces. Gary pointed out that he has issues running the latest snapshot under virtualization (Virtual Box) does not work for him (black screen). If anybody has an idea... Just to confirm, I just tested again with the latest soas-x86_64-20100817.16.iso image and it is still showing a black screen at the point it should be showing X. It's not a lockup or a failed boot process, looks just to be that something display related in F14 and VirtualBox are not happy with each other yet (been happily using F13 VB VMs for some time). You can send the F14 VM the shutdown signal and it will gracefully shut its self down again. I also tested with various vga boot parameters incase it was resolution related, but all end up at black (800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200). Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Easy_Karma ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Physics-5.tar.bz2 now on sunjammer
Hi Luke, On 24 Jul 2010, at 22:07, Luke Faraone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2010 03:46 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: Just a quick ping on some .tar.bz2 uploads for those interested (Bernie kindly reactivated my sunjammer shell account, will upload .bz2's here until we have a more sane solution): http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Physics/Physics-5.tar.bz2 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Moon/Moon-11.tar.bz2 Gary, Thank you for providing tarballs for Physics. I looked at the tarballs, and although it contains mostly Python source for Physics, it contains several binary blobs in lib/, namely eggs for Elements and Box2D. While this can be useful for .XO releases, when you're producing binaries for specific platforms, it's a complication for packagers, who (at least in Debian) have to repack the tarball to exclude such files. In future releases, could you provide a source-only tarball, rather than one with bundled eggs? Sorry, that is currently well beyond my ability. Physics is something I picked up maintainer ship of, though I do understand there is a Box 2D binary blob in there (source code available else where, in a svn rep I think last time I looked), Elements is all python source I believe. The whole packaging game at the system level is a pretty alien concept to me. FWIW I'm a developer on the Mac platform, bundles there are all self contained built against the last few OS X releases (good for 5-10 year support), kind'a why the .xo makes such sense to me. Regards, --Gary ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [realness] Sugar On A Stick for Macintosh
Hi Caryl, On 25 Jul 2010, at 05:37, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: In the past, I have had success also running it in Virtual Box. Again, no storage. I'd be happy to talk you through a Virtual Box Sugar image install using irc (we could meet on #sugar). I do much of my dev/testing in Mac Sugar virtual machines. Perhaps you could document the step you've been missing so far, so others have a smoother path to follow? Very roughly, you start by downloading one of the .iso images, then pretend it is a CD and get Virtual Box to boot from it. Then use Terminal activity in this read only Sugar to install the images onto a the VMs virtual disk. The vm can then be rebooted into a fully working Sugar, and the .iso is no longer needed. Regards, --Gary ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Activity inclusion for SoaS-4
Hi Peter, On 12 Jul 2010, at 22:16, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi SoaS people, So the current Sugar Activity list for SoaS-4 stands as follows with the justifications as to why they're included. The basic idea is to include the core Sucrose/Fructose Activity list (as long as they are actively maintained and work) and then a small selection of Activities that are well supported and demonstrate the features of the Sugar Learning platform such as the collaboration side of it to contribute towards the K-6 side of SoaS's targets. So the core sugar Fructose activities [1] list is: Browse Chat EToys Log Pippy Read Terminal TurtleArt Write These ones are also on the Fructose list but I'm not sure of their status so we need to be convinced of their status: Calculate FWIW Calculate is now next on my it list, the version in git is as yet unreleased, it was updated with new toolbar support for 0.86 and a bunch of fixes but the release was overlooked. Want to give it another testing pass here, and will see if there are some low hanging bug fixes I could make from trac. Image/ImageViewer Jukebox To the Fructose list we're adding: Physics - Because this is a great demo example (quick demo). Record - Because its useful and kids tend to like recording/photoing stuff. xoirc - Because this helps us help them. Just called IRC these days. paint - K-6 and enjoyed by kids memorize - K-6 and enjoyed by kids speak - Good for voice demos So the current planned inclusion list is as follows: Browse Chat EToys Log Pippy Read Terminal TurtleArt Write Physics Record xoirc paint memorize speak That currently gives us a list of 15 Activities. Its obviously not the final list and I look forward to suggestions. Its not guaranteed the above list remain the same. For example Read still does not work. And we're not aiming to get to the same level of previous releases, its currently not maintainable with the current SoaS resources. Things to note are that the Activities need to be working, well maintained, packaged in Fedora to be considered. To be in Fedora they can't contain any binary blobs (if they have code that needs to be compiled, that's fine but it must be done as per Fedora packaging guidelines). Hmm, Physics has always had a binary blob in it (_Box2D.so in a Python .egg), the packaging dance is an alien to me so perhaps Sebastian did some magic there (FWIW Physics is up to version 5 with new toolbar support, grab tool works while simulation is paused, code clean-up, and latest translations). I can email someone the Physics-5.tar.bz2 if needed? Folks don't seem to want these files on the wiki, and individual shell accounts for access is a real pain, if that's the only thing you ever use the account for – I gave up uploading last year, and I'm sure Bernie has better things to spend his time on :) Regards, --Gary Regards. Peter Note, please forward this if you think its important to other lists but the discussion will happen on the SoaS list. [1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] Summary of eBooks lists... Thanks to all who contributed.
Hi Caryl, This is the page we were building up in the last Blueberry SoaS release, unfortunately the recent Mirabelle SoaS release included a new version of evence that badly broke Sugar's PDF support (Read). About the most basic/critical feature for an educational platform was lost... :( http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/E-Books Regards, --Gary On 24 Jun 2010, at 20:17, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, A few days ago I asked for links to sites with free digital textbooks. Thanks to all who sent links. I thought it would be a good idea to put them all in one place and share them with you all. (I'm sorry the formatting of this page seems to have a mind of its own!) From Tabitha Roder (tabi...@tabitha.net.nz)International Childrens Digital Library (some other languages also available) http://en.childrenslibrary.org/ From Avash Mulmi (avash.mu...@olenepal.org) in Nepal, but will lots of children's books in English as well. Put English in the search box and you will get some in English. http://www.pustakalaya.org From Abhishek Indoria (indoria_abhis...@hotmail.com) You need to register first (free) for this one. And, you must have a gmail account to use this site. Then, you can login. Please choose gigapedia from the search menu at the upper right corner of the site after you log in, and search for any book you like. Also, please visit the site's categories page to sort through them. It has more than 3 million books! http://gigapedia.com . And, here are 3 more sent without comments: From Edward Cherlin (echer...@gmail.com) http://www.librarianchick.com/ From (fors...@ozonline.com.au) http://www.seaton-olpc-ug.org/?q=node/227 From Nicholas Doiron (ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu) Audio versions of free ebooks. http://librivox.org/newcatalog/ I'll add a link from the California digital textbook project. So far the books are only for high school math and science, but the quality is excellent: http://about.ck12.org/ Kevin Mark (kevin.m...@verizon.net) suggested that there needs to be a site where there is a list of books available with evaluations. Sounds like a great idea for some one to pick up on. Check them out and let me know if you find anything you like. Cheers! Caryl OLPC Support Volunteer. ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
Re: [SoaS] [soas] modified browse index.html works in a live soas USB as start new screen on sugar-browse
On 14 Jun 2010, at 09:01, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, The modified browse index.html now works. I can install modified-index.html in a live USB.: Look at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Revised_Browse_default-bookmarks.html#Change-Browse.activity_index.html-to-use-Modified-Browse-html_in_a_live_USB I request that this be considered for a feature for Soas and the fedora spin of it. The Browse index-html file needs to be detailed (polished-up) for the spin and put in the build of V4, and pointed to a modified soas firefox default start screen location, so that it can be updated and installed from the repositories. Looking good! We'll need to have this packaged up in a sugar-bookmarks rpm file. Let me know if you'd like some help getting this packaged up so we can get it in upstream Fedora. Hmmm. Rather worried we've lost all the work and community discussion that went into carefully creating the default Browse page for Sugar before, seem to have thrown everything out for an overwhelming text only list of URLs. Perhaps the wiki is just showing a non final version? Regards, --Gary Cheers, Peter ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
