[SOCIAL CREDIT] Austrian economics and the new economics

2003-11-10 Thread Pat Gunning
I'm glad that I asked, Bill. The new economics in Veblen's time was 
the Austrian economics of the late 19th century, based on the subjective 
theory of value and the concept of opportunity costs. Veblen's critique 
of Austrian economics centered on what he felt was a neglect of 
evolutionary change in the theory. I doubt that he was correct on this, 
but it is possible that the older Austrians were not as careful on this 
issue as Mises and Hayek. In his critique, Veblen provided no 
documentation of which I am aware, although I am not an expert on Veblen.

In 1898, Veblen wrote a paper entitled Why Economics is Not an 
Evolutionary Science. In that paper, he criticized all of economics, 
including the Austrians of the time. In the following, I will discuss 
two of his criticisms of the new economics.

1. Economists have classified the ways and means of turning material 
objects and circumstances to account under the heading of capital, 
this capital being conceived as a mass of material objects serviceable 
for human use. (387) This, he said, is not an effective method for 
conceiving the matter for the purpose of a theory of the developmental 
process. What we need to recognize, he maintained, is that the human 
agent is distinct from physical properties of materials. An 
evolutionary theory should focus on human knowledge, skill, and 
predilection  i.e., the properties of the human agent. Economic 
action must be the subject matter of the science if the science is to 
fall in line as an evolutionary science. (388)
To this, the modern Austrian has an easy reply. First, no one could read 
Ludwig Lachmanns or Israel Kirzners books on capital and come away 
thinking that the human agent has somehow been disregarded. He is an 
integral part of their theories. Second, Mises entitled his book human 
action precisely because he placed the human agent at the center. 
Economics, or catallactics as he preferred to call it, is the study of 
economic action  human action under the conditions of the market economy.

2. The reason for the Austrian failure, argued Veblen, seems to lie 
in a faulty conception o f human nature. (389) [T]he human material 
with which the inquiry is concerned is conceived in hedonistic terms... 
The hedonistic conception of man is that of a lightning calculator of 
pleasures and pains, who oscillates like a homogeneous globule of desire 
of happiness under the impulse of stimuli that shift him about the area, 
but leave him intact. He is an isolated, definitive human daturm...
The reply is first that nobody could read Israel Kirzners Competition 
and Entrepreneurship without concluding that his criticism of 
mainstream economics is very similar to that of Veblen on this issue. 
Nor could one who understands Misess Human Action form this opinion.

I dont want to go too far in defending the modern Austrians. They have 
not so far tried to incorporate what psychologists and epistemologists 
know about the nature of knowledge and how it develops into their images 
of the market economy. However, they are by no means guilty of the 
sins that Veblen, perhaps wrongly, attributed to their predecessors. 
Nor do I want to give the impression that everyone who attachers the 
label Austrian economist to himself adheres to the image I am painting 
here. There is a great deal of conflict within the Austrian ranks.

The new economics of which you speak has a great deal in common with 
my version of Austrian economics. Regarding financing of 
entrepreneurship, there are two distinct mechanisms. In the first, banks 
act as money creators and lend the new money to businesses. When they 
create money in unison, which they usually do not due to banking 
regulations, the result is inflation, malinvestment, and a trade cycle. 
Usually, one bank creates money while another destroys it. In the second 
they act as financial intermediaries, channeling savers' money to those 
entrepreneurs who offer the highest returns. Nothing else in what you 
call the new economics, except the abundant resources assumption and 
the claim of labor displacement, is, as I see it, in conflict with the 
Austrian economics I use. Although, given the difference between us in 
the way that you use terms, I would not be surprised to find that I am 
mistaken.

Veblen, Thorstein. (1898) Why Economics is Not an Evolutionary 
Science. The Quarterly Journal of Economics. July.

Kirzner, Israel, An Essay on Capital, New York: Augustus M. Kelley, 
1966, reprinted in Kirzner (1996) Essays on Capital and Interest: An 
Austrian Perspective. Brookfield: Edward Elgar.

Kirzner, Israel. (1973) Competition and Entrepreneurship. Chicago: 
University of Chicago Press.

Lachmann, Ludwig M.(1978) Capital and Its Structure. Mission, Kansas: 
Sheed Andrews and McMeel. (originally published in 1956)

von Mises, Ludwig. (1966 [1949]). Human Action: A Treatise on Economics. 
Chicago: Henry Regnery Company.

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Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Austrian economics and the new economics

2003-11-10 Thread william_b_ryan
Thanks for this information.  By the way, in using
the term sounding board I didn't intend for you to
be a strawman.  A sounding board is something that
you bounce off of.  I am a firm believer in the
Socratic method of adversarial discussion in that it
helps all discussants - on all sides of the issues -
to learn and sharpen their individual thought.  That
will occur even though there might never be formal
agreement between them.  Everybody benefits, even the
observers who merely listen.  Recently I have been
focusing my thought on marginalism and need your
help.


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I'm glad that I asked, Bill. The new economics in Veblen's time was the 
Austrian economics of the late 19th century
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