Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-10 Thread Matt Morris 
Customers obviously aren't as important as shareholders in their eyes.

On 10 March 2017 at 11:32, gareth bell  wrote:

> I'm genuinely curious as to why they would move to this model? At a time
> when The Foundry and SideFX, amongst others, are giving away their software
> in the form of Non-Commercial Editions in order to grow user-base and
> create a loyal customer-base, Autodesk seem content on trying to hold their
> userbase/customers to ransom. I was puzzled when Adobe did it too.
>
>
> Can someone shed some light on why they might be doing this, as it all it
> seems to be doing, currently, is upsetting a large number of their
> customers.
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> Quote: "...continue to provide you best-in-class software, services, and
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>
> - alternative facts...
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> MB
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> > Den 8. marts 2017 klokken 21:04 skrev gareth bell <
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> >
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> > https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-
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> > So today it was my turn to get the notice from Autodesk of their new and
> improved upcoming subscription only paradigm. I really wonder what goes on
> in the minds of corporate and marketing officers …
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Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-10 Thread gareth bell 
I'm genuinely curious as to why they would move to this model? At a time when 
The Foundry and SideFX, amongst others, are giving away their software in the 
form of Non-Commercial Editions in order to grow user-base and create a loyal 
customer-base, Autodesk seem content on trying to hold their userbase/customers 
to ransom. I was puzzled when Adobe did it too.


Can someone shed some light on why they might be doing this, as it all it seems 
to be doing, currently, is upsetting a large number of their customers.


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
 on behalf of Morten Bartholdy 

Sent: 10 March 2017 10:54:43
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
Subject: Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

Quote: "...continue to provide you best-in-class software, services, and 
support."

- alternative facts...

MB


> Den 8. marts 2017 klokken 21:04 skrev gareth bell :
>
>
> https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/
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> [https://solidedging.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/screenhunter_283-mar-07-13-25.jpg]<https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/>
>
> Autodesk’s Patronizing Screw You Love 
> Letter<https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/>
> solidedging.wordpress.com
> So today it was my turn to get the notice from Autodesk of their new and 
> improved upcoming subscription only paradigm. I really wonder what goes on in 
> the minds of corporate and marketing officers …
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Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-10 Thread Morten Bartholdy 
Quote: "...continue to provide you best-in-class software, services, and 
support."

- alternative facts...

MB


> Den 8. marts 2017 klokken 21:04 skrev gareth bell :
> 
> 
> https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/
> 
> [https://solidedging.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/screenhunter_283-mar-07-13-25.jpg]
> 
> Autodesk’s Patronizing Screw You Love 
> Letter
> solidedging.wordpress.com
> So today it was my turn to get the notice from Autodesk of their new and 
> improved upcoming subscription only paradigm. I really wonder what goes on in 
> the minds of corporate and marketing officers …
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Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-10 Thread Morten Bartholdy 
They don't care for us (here I mean the business - not the employees) - they 
cater to us to get our money.

MB



> Den 9. marts 2017 klokken 21:27 skrev Demian Kurejwowski 
> :
> 
> 
> that's why companies like luxology and side effects succeed,  no secrets or 
> lies behind, you pay for what they have done,   no convoluted ways,  
> if they cant handle 2 electronic ways of payment, how is like companies like 
> home depot are able to maintain billions of products from several thousand 
> providers, millions of consumers, form different part of the world,  and they 
> cant with 2 electronic pay methods?  how we can trust that they care for us?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> El Jueves, 9 de marzo, 2017 11:18:41, Martin  
> escribió:
>  
> 
>  They have only announced an increase in the maintenance price, not subs so I 
> asume the price won't change. The price would of course depend on where do 
> you live. Right now, the subscription (rental) costs about 2.5 times a 
> maintenance (old subscription) if we don't count the initial price of a 
> perpetual license.
> Switching from Maintenance to Subs this year in June will make you save a few 
> hundreds until 2020 while losing your perpetual license.
> >From then on, the subs price will be x2.5 again and it would be more 
> >expensive than staying in maintenance, unless of course they increase the 
> >maintenance price even more or just stop offering it at all. It wouldn't 
> >make sense, business wise, to keep a low income maintenance when you can 
> >force everyone to pay you 2.5 times more with subscription.
> Those who can't really choose outside Autodesk, will be paying more, and lose 
> their perpetual licenses.
> MartinSent from my iPhone
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 21:28, Cristobal Infante  wrote:
> 
> 
> What would be the cost of Maya in 2019 if you are on subscription?
> On 9 March 2017 at 08:13, Andi Farhall  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ...and once you're all on subscription see what we do to the sub prices 
> then
> even more reason to be on the Houdini boatFrom: softimage-bounces@listproc. 
> autodesk.com  on behalf of gareth 
> bell 
> Sent: 08 March 2017 20:04:39
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Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-09 Thread Demian Kurejwowski 
that's why companies like luxology and side effects succeed,  no secrets or 
lies behind, you pay for what they have done,   no convoluted ways,  
if they cant handle 2 electronic ways of payment, how is like companies like 
home depot are able to maintain billions of products from several thousand 
providers, millions of consumers, form different part of the world,  and they 
cant with 2 electronic pay methods?  how we can trust that they care for us?


 

El Jueves, 9 de marzo, 2017 11:18:41, Martin  escribió:
 

 They have only announced an increase in the maintenance price, not subs so I 
asume the price won't change. The price would of course depend on where do you 
live. Right now, the subscription (rental) costs about 2.5 times a maintenance 
(old subscription) if we don't count the initial price of a perpetual license.
Switching from Maintenance to Subs this year in June will make you save a few 
hundreds until 2020 while losing your perpetual license.
>From then on, the subs price will be x2.5 again and it would be more expensive 
>than staying in maintenance, unless of course they increase the maintenance 
>price even more or just stop offering it at all. It wouldn't make sense, 
>business wise, to keep a low income maintenance when you can force everyone to 
>pay you 2.5 times more with subscription.
Those who can't really choose outside Autodesk, will be paying more, and lose 
their perpetual licenses.
MartinSent from my iPhone
On Mar 9, 2017, at 21:28, Cristobal Infante  wrote:


What would be the cost of Maya in 2019 if you are on subscription?
On 9 March 2017 at 08:13, Andi Farhall  wrote:



...and once you're all on subscription see what we do to the sub prices then
even more reason to be on the Houdini boatFrom: softimage-bounces@listproc. 
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bell 
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2017-03-09 Thread Martin 
They have only announced an increase in the maintenance price, not subs so I 
asume the price won't change. The price would of course depend on where do you 
live. Right now, the subscription (rental) costs about 2.5 times a maintenance 
(old subscription) if we don't count the initial price of a perpetual license.

Switching from Maintenance to Subs this year in June will make you save a few 
hundreds until 2020 while losing your perpetual license.

From then on, the subs price will be x2.5 again and it would be more expensive 
than staying in maintenance, unless of course they increase the maintenance 
price even more or just stop offering it at all. It wouldn't make sense, 
business wise, to keep a low income maintenance when you can force everyone to 
pay you 2.5 times more with subscription.

Those who can't really choose outside Autodesk, will be paying more, and lose 
their perpetual licenses.

Martin
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2017, at 21:28, Cristobal Infante  wrote:
> 
> What would be the cost of Maya in 2019 if you are on subscription?
> 
>> On 9 March 2017 at 08:13, Andi Farhall  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ...and once you're all on subscription see what we do to the sub prices 
>> then
>> 
>> even more reason to be on the Houdini boat
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>>  on behalf of gareth bell 
>> 
>> Sent: 08 March 2017 20:04:39
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer
>>  
>> https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/
>> 
>> 
>> Autodesk’s Patronizing Screw You Love Letter
>> solidedging.wordpress.com
>> So today it was my turn to get the notice from Autodesk of their new and 
>> improved upcoming subscription only paradigm. I really wonder what goes on 
>> in the minds of corporate and marketing officers …
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Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-09 Thread Cristobal Infante 
What would be the cost of Maya in 2019 if you are on subscription?

On 9 March 2017 at 08:13, Andi Farhall  wrote:

>
>
> ...and once you're all on subscription see what we do to the sub prices
> then
>
> even more reason to be on the Houdini boat
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> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer
>
>
> https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-
> patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/
>
> <https://solidedging.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/autodesks-patronizing-screw-you-love-letter/>
> Autodesk’s Patronizing Screw You Love Letter
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> solidedging.wordpress.com
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Re: [OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

2017-03-09 Thread Andi Farhall 


...and once you're all on subscription see what we do to the sub prices then

even more reason to be on the Houdini boat

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Sent: 08 March 2017 20:04:39
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[OT] Autodesk - another angry customer

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